Consociationalism politics of Malaysia

[scroobal]

For those who are unaware, in view of 3 major races in Malaysia, the founding fathers as well the British encouraged the formation of a coalition team comprising of the 3 major races and each getting mandate from its own racial group. At the highest level, it requires thoughtfulness, accommodation and compromise. So it was indeed made up of recognised and respected leaders of the racial groups. so we have Umno, MCA and MIC. Penang Chinese being such an important bloc and where the Hokkein dialect is a tad different from its Johore cousins and the predominant Cantonese of the KL lot, Gerakan too was brought into the coalition. And it was called Barisan.

Sadly it was both MCA and MIC, the minority parties that led in the corruption race after the 70s. There is no one worse than Ling and Samy Vellu. They and their cronies raped their own people and taught the Malays how to screw their own people while stealing and hoarding millions.

By early 90s UMNO became baddest of the lot and marginalised their own minority partners. And with no money to buy votes, the minorities naturally turned to the opposition.

Look at MCA and MIC. Its a bloody disgrace. MCA once a beacon for the Malaysian Chinese only managed 7 seats versus DAP's 38. Fucking massacre. MIC secured only 4 seats versus ethnic Indians contesting under DAP and PKR secured 7 seats. This is despite the fucking Hindraf mob signing a MOU with BN recently. And Gerakan not only lost Penang in the previous elections, they have only 1 seat to speak of.

DAP and PKR have been outsatnding for the minorities and the future lie in their hands. DAP's capture of seats can only be described as stunning.

Dr Chua Soi Leck of MCA should go back to his beloved Batu Pahat and bang his lady friend at Hotel Katerina and Samy Vellu successor who ever the hell he is should just stick to tapping rubber. The Hindraf leadership should hang their head in shame for their treasonable act despite been given wide ranging support from all races when they marched in KL.

Politics of consociationalism my arse.

 

[zhihau]

such a dark gloomy Monday morning... :(:(:(

 

[waterloong]

Ok. So? Then?

 

[scroobal]

My advice is for you to work with Jufrie and Chee on how not to fuck up SDP's umpteenth attempt at anything meaningful. For a start, hold Chee passport so that he does not travel to another beautiful city in the US while local engineers and other professionals are driving taxis.

You guys cannot get votes here yet send your party prostitute to Malaysia in the middle of their elections take photo with their leaders. That is cheap fucking publicity. Whose harebrained scheme is that? Then you motherfuckers come here and give us a lecture on why the man is ahead of his time and Singaporeans don't understand him.

Can you guys at least find someone who does not open legs. Fucking disgrace.

Ok. So? Then?

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Scroo,

It was a different country then. There was fraud yesterday, whatever Malay swing there was , it was not enough to overcome the "traditional malay vote'. Civil Servants and the Rural Malays. I remember before the results debating with Arun whether there was enough of a Malay Swing in the heartlands, well it seemed no, it just seems that given 500 ringgit u can easily get a bank of early and postal votes.

Coupled with a biasness in size towards urban sprawls and you will see PR over represented in Big cities and under represented in the kampungs. DAP for all its work can't lead the country, it has to be a Malay and a Malay party but yet PAS and Anwar have failed to deliver, the question is why ?

The split is no longer within races, its an urban rural divide, between citizens more aware and citizens less, the job is to break that hold that BN hold over the kampungs.


Locje

For those who are unaware, in view of 3 major races in Malaysia, the founding fathers as well the British encouraged the formation of a coalition team comprising of the 3 major races and each getting mandate from its own racial group. At the highest level, it requires thoughtfulness, accommodation and compromise. So it was indeed made up of recognised and respected leaders of the racial groups. so we have Umno, MCA and MIC. Penang Chinese being such an important bloc and where the Hokkein dialect is a tad different from its Johore cousins and the predominant Cantonese of the KL lot, Gerakan too was brought into the coalition. And it was called Barisan.

Sadly it was both MCA and MIC, the minority parties that led in the corruption race after the 70s. There is no one worse than Ling and Samy Vellu. They and their cronies raped their own people and taught the Malays how to screw their own people while stealing and hoarding millions.

By early 90s UMNO became baddest of the lot and marginalised their own minority partners. And with no money to buy votes, the minorities naturally turned to the opposition.

Look at MCA and MIC. Its a bloody disgrace. MCA once a beacon for the Malaysian Chinese only managed 7 seats versus DAP's 38. Fucking massacre. MIC secured only 4 seats versus ethnic Indians contesting under DAP and PKR secured 7 seats. This is despite the fucking Hindraf mob signing a MOU with BN recently. And Gerakan not only lost Penang in the previous elections, they have only 1 seat to speak of.

DAP and PKR have been outsatnding for the minorities and the future lie in their hands. DAP's capture of seats can only be described as stunning.

Dr Chua Soi Leck of MCA should go back to his beloved Batu Pahat and bang his lady friend at Hotel Katerina and Samy Vellu successor who ever the hell he is should just stick to tapping rubber. The Hindraf leadership should hang their head in shame for their treasonable act despite been given wide ranging support from all races when they marched in KL.

Politics of consociationalism my arse.

 

[Dreamer1]

Actually Anwar won -Early calculations indicate that Pakatan Rakyat has won slightly more popular votes than BN nationwide – 50% against 49% (1% others).
BN coalition only won 275 of the 505 state seats up for grabs, leaving a substantial 230 state seats to PR.
http://dinmerican.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/54792/

 

[scroobal]

Agree on the urban - rural divide. UMNO entire machinery from the early days were set up on school teachers being involved grassroots politics. It was the only way to reach the entire country and the rural villages. But more importantly its the rural seats that have less voters compared to the cities and towns. Thus a powerful weapon in their arsenal.

Dear Scroo,

It was a different country then. There was fraud yesterday, whatever Malay swing there was , it was not enough to overcome the "traditional malay vote'. Civil Servants and the Rural Malays. I remember before the results debating with Arun whether there was enough of a Malay Swing in the heartlands, well it seemed no, it just seems that given 500 ringgit u can easily get a bank of early and postal votes.

Coupled with a biasness in size towards urban sprawls and you will see PR over represented in Big cities and under represented in the kampungs. DAP for all its work can't lead the country, it has to be a Malay and a Malay party but yet PAS and Anwar have failed to deliver, the question is why ?

The split is no longer within races, its an urban rural divide, between citizens more aware and citizens less, the job is to break that hold that BN hold over the kampungs.


Locje

 

[aurvandil]

I have a more cynical view. BN captured so much of the rural vote because it was so much easier to cheat there. Almost all of the irregularities documented are in the cities. PR simply did not have the resources to keep similar watch there, giving BN the chance to steal the seats. What has now happened is the worst of all the scenarios. All eyes now on Anwar.

Dear Scroo,

It was a different country then. There was fraud yesterday, whatever Malay swing there was , it was not enough to overcome the "traditional malay vote'. Civil Servants and the Rural Malays. I remember before the results debating with Arun whether there was enough of a Malay Swing in the heartlands, well it seemed no, it just seems that given 500 ringgit u can easily get a bank of early and postal votes.

Coupled with a biasness in size towards urban sprawls and you will see PR over represented in Big cities and under represented in the kampungs. DAP for all its work can't lead the country, it has to be a Malay and a Malay party but yet PAS and Anwar have failed to deliver, the question is why ?

The split is no longer within races, its an urban rural divide, between citizens more aware and citizens less, the job is to break that hold that BN hold over the kampungs.


Locje

 

[scroobal]

Actually bro, the rural constituencies are known BN captives. No need fraud. They get perks and cash during UMNO elections.

The fraud is in the cities where they are losing their pants and cannot offer bribes openly.

I have a more cynical view. BN captured so much of the rural vote because it was so much easier to cheat there. Almost all of the irregularities documented are in the cities. PR simply did not have the resources to keep similar watch there, giving BN the chance to steal the seats. What has now happened is the worst of all the scenarios. All eyes now on Anwar.

 

[3_M]

Actually bro, the rural constituencies are known BN captives. No need fraud. They get perks and cash during UMNO elections.

The fraud is in the cities where they are losing their pants and cannot offer bribes openly.

Actually all they need is to spread rumor.

I was told that a Malay lady was very unhappy with the way UMNO runs the country for the past 50years. She voted for Lim Kit Siang and had been trying to persuade her elders to do the same. But they were reluctant as they fear another racial riot if opposition wins. There were rumors that gangs have stock parangs ready to be used should opposition wins. Rural folks are lesser well informed than their urban counterparts.

 

[scroobal]

Sadly the race riots is something that will be part of their politics. They played it once and they will domit again. It was the riots that led to Razak imposing the NEP. Unfortunately the Chinese population has slumped from 40%. And there are less minorities in the Police and Army.

Actually all they need is to spread rumor.

I was told that a Malay lady was very unhappy with the way UMNO runs the country for the past 50years. She voted for Lim Kit Siang and had been trying to persuade her elders to do the same. But they were reluctant as they fear another racial riot if opposition wins. There were rumors that gangs have stock parangs ready to be used should opposition wins. Rural folks are lesser well informed than their urban counterparts.

 

[aurvandil]

If this was 2008, i would completely agree with you. This election I am not so sure. Three things stand out:

1) The rural turnout was unusually high, in some instances comparable to urban areas. BN has paid for votes before but have never achieved anything remotely close.

2) PR made the same assumption that cheating would in the cities and seemed to focus most of their resources there. Logistically, most of the supporters were in the cities so it is hard to get volunters to go to the rural areas. Given what happened in the cities, it is hard to imagine the lightly monitored rural areas were free of monkey business.

3) There all those stories of trucked in voters. BN seemed to have indicated these are contribuitions to bring voters home to vote. From BN's statement, it seems to indicate bringing people who work in the cities back to rural areas to vote. I read this as trucking in banglas with Malay ICs to marginal rural seats to vote. This would explain the last minute surge in BN votes from rural areas that helped BN to win.

All these combined leads me to suspect that BN was not very sucessful cheating in the cities because there were too many people watching. They won by cheating in the rural areas where no one was looking. If this hypothesis is correct, then regime change has only been delayed rather than averted. 2018 PR would be well advised to monitor the rural areas closely and deny BN their last weapon to stay in power.

Final observation: Najib looked as he had lost during his victory speech. He was clearly expecting to get over 140. In making plans to cheat, it makes no sense to fix the result so that he is vulnerable to a Mahathir sponsored challenge.

Actually bro, the rural constituencies are known BN captives. No need fraud. They get perks and cash during UMNO elections.

The fraud is in the cities where they are losing their pants and cannot offer bribes openly.

 

[scroobal]

You may be right. Agree on Najib's look and body language. The knives will be out as he and Rosmah have to carry a lot of the blame. According to protocol his cousin Hishamuddin is the successor but the Keris incident was a bad move. No way this guy is going to get the minority votes.

If this was 2008, i would completely agree with you. This election I am not so sure. Three things stand out:

All these combined leads me to suspect that BN was not very sucessful cheating in the cities because there were too many people watching. They won by cheating in the rural areas where no one was looking. If this hypothesis is correct, then regime change has only been delayed rather than averted. 2018 PR would be well advised to monitor the rural areas closely and deny BN their last weapon to stay in power.

Final observation: Najib looked as he had lost during his victory speech. He was clearly expecting to get over 140. In making plans to cheat, it makes no sense to fix the result so that he is vulnerable to a Mahathir sponsored challenge.

 

[kensington]

Najib was anxious at passing the 140 seats bar set by Mahathir or out by the end of this year. A phyyric victory indeed. Muhyiddin will get rid of him liked he did to Abdullah.

Race based politic is dying in Malaysia. There is no turning back since there is a rising discontent among the middle class and urban workers who are more concerned with issues like crimes and corruptions. The smart Malays have abandoned UMNO and turned to Pakatan and only rent seekers remained.

KUALA LUMPUR, May 6 — Barisan Nasional (BN) has officially lost the popular vote at both the federal and state levels, according to certified figures from the Election Commission (EC) today, despite winning 133 parliamentary seats and retaking Kedah in Election 2013.

The numbers confirm The Malaysian Insider’s report early this morning that the BN coalition was bested on the popularity front for the first time since 1969, when it had contested as the Alliance Party.

For federal seats, BN polled 5,237,699 votes to the Pakatan Rakyat parties’ combined 5,623,984 ballots. The three-party pact of PKR, PAS and DAP also surpassed BN in state seats, pulling in 4,879,699 to the 13-member coalition’s 4,513,997 ballots.

Official turnout for Election 2013 was 84.84 per cent or 11,257,147 voters.

The numbers paint a growing gulf forming within the Malaysian public, with the Malay heartland that swung back to BN on side and a multiracial bloc that threw its support behind the PR parties on the other.

BN chairman Datuk Seri Najib Razak suggested a “Chinese tsunami” was behind BN ceding more ground to the opposition in Election 2013 in an electoral showing worse than the previous low of 2008.

“I think they were taken in by some of the undertakings given by the opposition... and that’s why there was that swing.... and a lot of sentiments there, some of them racial in nature, that were being played up in this election, which is not very healthy for this country,” Najib told reporters at the Umno headquarters early this morning, shortly after a simple majority victory cemented BN’s place in Putrajaya.

“I expected it but I did not expect it to this extent. None of us expected it to this extent. But despite the extent of the swing against us, BN did not fall,” he added.

But critics and rivals have rejected BN’s narrative of a “Chinese tsunami”, pointing instead to a separation founded on class.

“Intra-ethnic inequality is startlingly high. There has been a lot of disproportionate access [to economic privileges] by the few,” Meredith Weiss, an associate professor at the State University of New York, told the Financial Times in remarks published this morning.

“The underlining trend seems to be that interests are defined now by socioeconomic class rather than ethnicity.”

Former NSTP editor-in-chief Datuk A. Kadir Jasin today also said BN’s reversal was likely the result of a “Malaysian tsunami” rather than a Chinese one.

“Is it not possible that this is not a Chinese tsunami or racial chauvinism but a Malaysian tsunami that is centred on the aspiration and new reality, especially among young voters?” he wrote.

Najib’s opposite, Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, is also using PR’s popular vote victory as evidence of what BN’s rivals claim to be widespread electoral fraud perpetrated to return the coalition to power despite reduced support.

“The fact that Pakatan Rakyat won the popular votes by a large margin (50.3 per cent, compared to BN’s 46.8 per cent) confirms the mandate given to us and highlights that electoral frauds won the 13th General Election for Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak,” he said.

Najib, who was sworn in as prime minister today, will now have to tread a fine line to continue to appeal to the conservative Malays that right wing elements such as Perkasa and its patron Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad helped foster while also trying to win back the more moderate sections of Malaysia.

 

[mojito]

A sad day indeed. We good and true Singaporean folks will have to endure the Malaysian plague lingering in our workforce for another 5 years at least.

 

[zhihau]

A sad day indeed. We good and true Singaporean folks will have to endure the Malaysian plague lingering in our workforce for another 5 years at least.

bro,
even as PR wins, there'll be loads of Malaysians in Singapore. the relationship goes a long way.

 

[RandomNexus]

http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?151313-BN-may-be-guilty-of-massive-electoral-fraud/page3

also relevant to this thread.

In UMNO, there is a "dirty-tricks" team who is in charge of propaganda, election sabotage, cheating etc, in collusion with the Election Commission, Police and civil servants, and they have been around since ages, and they collaborated with the UMNO election machinery. The only thing about Najib in this election is that he does not full control of UMNO himself, and as such, if you follow carefully, Najib seeked a presidential style campaign, and in a way, it seeks to circumvent the UMNO machinery which he should likely know he will be 'sabotaged". What you are seeing in some of videos and news about this "cheating" are simply low-level operators working together under the orders of the UMNO warlords.

The results of this election speaks very well aimed to win but to be seen as worse as previous election 2008 . Najib won this election but at a lower majority, and he could not win Selangor state, and worse still, he lost further seats in that key state compared to 2008. Hence, this election, if guided by invisible hands, simply acted out as 'planned". In short, they are targeting Najib directly.

Immediately after the election results, some articles are already featured in the internet citing senior UMNO officials saying that Najib's days are numbered. To folks, it is just news, but to these political operators, they are using the social media to knife Najib.

As Najib has just 4 years in his term of office, he is likely to be ousted out and previously, he was part of the plot to oust Badawi. He could not last this political struggle as he was not meant to be around longer than one term. He just did not have enough funds to beat the masterminds in UMNO.

In UMNO which is Malaysian politics, it is all about money especially since the day Mahathir took power as PM. If you have money, you can influence the key warlords in UMNO and this small elite of a few thousands holds the power. Anybody who aspires to climb has to raise funds once they are in governmental positions, which explains why Sharizat, UMNO wanita chairperson, got $250 million for her husband to run a business which in short, for her, and why Badawi used his PM position to grant his son and son-in-law lots of business opportunities and contracts to raise funds, and why Najib got a cut in Scorpenes submarines contract for money. Almost every politician tries to raise money once he is in a position to do so. The list is very long and endless. When these scandals are exposed, you can guess it is your enemies or opponents in UMNO who leak out the news. So Sharizat in her moment of anger, made the off-the-cuff remark about her husband getting the money is "nothing new" and "almost everybody" does it. But her message is directed at her opponents - if they go any further, she would do likewise to "expose" them.

In a country when you get exposed in corruption scandal, the punishment is actually quite "light" especially if you are a top-level politician. The reason is that almost everybody is doing it, and each person if exposed, is meant as a a scapegoat, and if this goes on in a vicious circle, then continuing revelations will "kill" everyone. So these exposures will have some ending as they deal behind the doors, and so if you look carefully, almost everybody who got exposed, gets off lightly in the end.

No need to guess who are the masterminds in this campaign, and there are only 2 fellows who got the size of funds to orchestrate all these.

Notice how Kedah is convincingly won this time around, and you have an idea the loss to opposition in the last election was "likely" planned to stage a win this time around.

If Najib has full control, he would have planned a better result for himself. Nope, he didn't cos I reckoned the orders that were sent out, are not fully obeyed.

All these are "unknown" to the public, but to these political operators, they are playing this game, and in this case, Najib has "lost". Muhiddyin is just a part player, and eventually if he took over, he will just be like Najib - to last one term, unless he can maneuver better than Najib.

Najib, in all the calculations, has done whatever he could under this scenario. He is a cautious fellow by nature, and he did not take the gamble like Badawi to go after Mahathir, and as such, he did not do much against corruption or even the "token" attempts like Badawi. In reality, it is quite difficult to go against corruption and cronyism as long as this present Government is in control, in short UMNO. You are going against an institution which has built its tentacles into the civil service, police, military and into the whole political structure right down to the village and even more so, you are part of a process which you are enriched as well as a player.

As in all politics, the reason why there will be a fight, is that the folks in UMNO will split, and some would go over to the opposition, and there you have, these are the ones now fighting against corruption and cronyism as they are no longer in the political mainstream. Eventually some would make peace and go back to UMNO where there is money to be made - this is part and parcel of Malaysian politics. Anwar is at loggerheads with Mahathir, both men would never make peace especially when Anwar made a move to go after Mahathir when he was DPM. No surprise why Anwar was set free from prison under Badawi, which is to give him a free licence to go after Mahathir.

 

[Ash007]

Sad indeed if you wonder where they went. Malaysia used to have 50% Chinese and Indians. Lower birthrate in the ethnic group does not explain the discrepancy. The ethnics really have themselves to blame for letting this happen. NEP,however you cut it is a racist policy that has been endorsed by everyone in Malaysia. At least its a good small step in the right direction and they are waking up to it. Will we see Singapore going down the same road?

Sadly the race riots is something that will be part of their politics. They played it once and they will domit again. It was the riots that led to Razak imposing the NEP. Unfortunately the Chinese population has slumped from 40%. And there are less minorities in the Police and Army.

 

[whoami]

bro,
even as PR wins, there'll be loads of Malaysians in Singapore. the relationship goes a long way.

But PR had promise they will bring in more foreign investments, have more job opportunities in Iskandar and Msians need not slog all the way to SinkieLand to work.

 

[zhihau]

But PR had promise they will bring in more foreign investments, have more job opportunities in Iskandar and Msians need not slog all the way to SinkieLand to work.

the exchange rate very alluring you know?