Re: Indonesia does not give a fuck about the haze! What can Singapore and Malaysia d
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Breaking: Baby collapsed outside due to HAZE-induced asthma attack!!
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Re: 2 Dengue deaths, PSI now 320, still no sound no picture of NEA CEO
Easy! U can find him at one of the WP hawker centre inspecting for ceiling cleanings and taking pics!
Easy! U can find him at one of the WP hawker centre inspecting for ceiling cleanings and taking pics!
Re: Indonesia does not give a fuck about the haze! What can Singapore and Malaysia d
The people who are responsible for the forest fires are all corrupt businessmen who have friends in the government. Obviously some officials and politicians are protecting their cronies by deliberately taking no action. At the local level it would be even worse as corruption is even harder to detect!
So how can the Indonesian government take action when these culprits are being protected by people within their VERY OWN government ranks?
Ever since Suharto fell, every single Indonesian President has tried to tackle corruption but failed miserably. It is too entrenched!!
As for what we can do:
1) Impose an embargo on all Singapore exports to Indonesia
2) Impose an embargo on all Indonesian exports to Singapore
3) Repatriate all Indonesian workers in Singapore including expats
4) Summon the Indonesian ambassador and deliver a stern message, and threaten all of the above with immediate effect if no action is taken by Indonesian government
5) WORST CASE -- IF ALL ELSE FAILS -- GO TO THE INTERNATIONAL COURT @ THE HAGUE. Bring a case against them. Let the international community know about this atrocity and let them decide!
The people who are responsible for the forest fires are all corrupt businessmen who have friends in the government. Obviously some officials and politicians are protecting their cronies by deliberately taking no action. At the local level it would be even worse as corruption is even harder to detect!
So how can the Indonesian government take action when these culprits are being protected by people within their VERY OWN government ranks?
Ever since Suharto fell, every single Indonesian President has tried to tackle corruption but failed miserably. It is too entrenched!!
As for what we can do:
1) Impose an embargo on all Singapore exports to Indonesia
2) Impose an embargo on all Indonesian exports to Singapore
3) Repatriate all Indonesian workers in Singapore including expats
4) Summon the Indonesian ambassador and deliver a stern message, and threaten all of the above with immediate effect if no action is taken by Indonesian government
5) WORST CASE -- IF ALL ELSE FAILS -- GO TO THE INTERNATIONAL COURT @ THE HAGUE. Bring a case against them. Let the international community know about this atrocity and let them decide!
Re: HAZE goes to sleep at night, according to NEA...KNNBCCB!!
Given the gravity of the situation, you'd have thought the NEA would be broadcast hourly updates on the PSI until further notice.
Contrary to popular belief, there are some of us who need to venture outside between 11pm and 6am.
Given the gravity of the situation, you'd have thought the NEA would be broadcast hourly updates on the PSI until further notice.
Contrary to popular belief, there are some of us who need to venture outside between 11pm and 6am.
Re: Indonesia does not give a fuck about the haze! What can Singapore and Malaysia d
Singapore is just a dwarf compared to the giant Indonesia. Our nation is nearly 100% import, we rely on other nations' exports for our daily needs and wants. If any country wants to play the sanction game, it has its own natural resources and export-driven, for then it can inflict more pain on the other side compared to the one it will receive. Look at the dispute between Philippines and China, the Chinese didn't even feel anything while the Philippines are the biggest loser.
The Indonesian government has never given any shit about the forest fire and even if they do, they are just giving a half-hearted response, typical of 'I send some firefighters cause you all complained." mentality, not because they feel forest fires are a threat to the nation. Even if Singapore send aid or money to help them fight, the money will just end up in someone's songkok anyway, that is why Singapore is still hesitant to commit to a full-fledged aid. The 2004 Aceh tsunami aftermath is the best example, some place are still in ruins, and we are talking about 8 years that has passed. Contrast that to Japan, which after the 2011 Touhoku Earthquake had managed to restore most things back to normal in a span of one year. It tells you how much corruption is there in Indonesia. They are just going to sit there and watch.
Even if we boycott or use any form of protest, I doubt we can even cause much harm on Indonesia part. We are just a small consumer of their exports and they have been aggressively pursuing the patronage of the mainland Chinese. Compared to China, the economic damage on them is negligible. They will only probably start to act if China starts to complain.
Another point is I feel, that ever since the friendship between Suharto and LKY was formed, there has been an unspoken rule in the diplomatic channels towards Indonesia that no matter how frustrated Singapore is with Indonesia, they must never show their displeasure. Singapore has argued with Malaysia before, but have you seen Singapore hantam Indonesia? Even if there are, they are relatively minor cases. Look at how Singapore handled the haze currently, they only register concerns, not even a sharp rebuke (ironically the straits times and new paper were more vocal and upfront). I guess Singapore still has the mindset from the times of LKY that we owe Indonesia a 'moral debt' as Suharto ended the Confrontation and left Singapore in peace to develop. If Suharto were to carry on back then, Singapore might have been finished.
In a nutshell: A small nation can't do much shit to a much bigger nation.
The only viable solutions we have:
1. Summon their ambassador to register a protest
2. Bring the case to the UN or ICJ
3. Emergency meeting with Indonesian Cabinet
All these are my opinions. Cheers.
Singapore is just a dwarf compared to the giant Indonesia. Our nation is nearly 100% import, we rely on other nations' exports for our daily needs and wants. If any country wants to play the sanction game, it has its own natural resources and export-driven, for then it can inflict more pain on the other side compared to the one it will receive. Look at the dispute between Philippines and China, the Chinese didn't even feel anything while the Philippines are the biggest loser.
The Indonesian government has never given any shit about the forest fire and even if they do, they are just giving a half-hearted response, typical of 'I send some firefighters cause you all complained." mentality, not because they feel forest fires are a threat to the nation. Even if Singapore send aid or money to help them fight, the money will just end up in someone's songkok anyway, that is why Singapore is still hesitant to commit to a full-fledged aid. The 2004 Aceh tsunami aftermath is the best example, some place are still in ruins, and we are talking about 8 years that has passed. Contrast that to Japan, which after the 2011 Touhoku Earthquake had managed to restore most things back to normal in a span of one year. It tells you how much corruption is there in Indonesia. They are just going to sit there and watch.
Even if we boycott or use any form of protest, I doubt we can even cause much harm on Indonesia part. We are just a small consumer of their exports and they have been aggressively pursuing the patronage of the mainland Chinese. Compared to China, the economic damage on them is negligible. They will only probably start to act if China starts to complain.
Another point is I feel, that ever since the friendship between Suharto and LKY was formed, there has been an unspoken rule in the diplomatic channels towards Indonesia that no matter how frustrated Singapore is with Indonesia, they must never show their displeasure. Singapore has argued with Malaysia before, but have you seen Singapore hantam Indonesia? Even if there are, they are relatively minor cases. Look at how Singapore handled the haze currently, they only register concerns, not even a sharp rebuke (ironically the straits times and new paper were more vocal and upfront). I guess Singapore still has the mindset from the times of LKY that we owe Indonesia a 'moral debt' as Suharto ended the Confrontation and left Singapore in peace to develop. If Suharto were to carry on back then, Singapore might have been finished.
In a nutshell: A small nation can't do much shit to a much bigger nation.
The only viable solutions we have:
1. Summon their ambassador to register a protest
2. Bring the case to the UN or ICJ
3. Emergency meeting with Indonesian Cabinet
All these are my opinions. Cheers.
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Re: New historical high - 290 psi
Yes can get into RI--and smoke em out
LOL... the PSI is like a PSLE score!
Great job by the tuition centre.
Yes can get into RI--and smoke em out
Re: S'poreHaze 2013 - What business will do well??
might as well plug tony's arse with them.
might as well plug tony's arse with them.
Re: New historical high - 290 psi
question: why provide 3hr average and not spot rate for PSI? can't we decide for ourselves on the actions we need to take?
question: why provide 3hr average and not spot rate for PSI? can't we decide for ourselves on the actions we need to take?
dun worry, soursop to the rescue
Shove it up your ass !
Re: HAZE goes to sleep at night, according to NEA...KNNBCCB!!
then have some balls to protest and throw out the useless govt of yours, instead of KPKB in the forum like some ball-less sinkie shit.
then have some balls to protest and throw out the useless govt of yours, instead of KPKB in the forum like some ball-less sinkie shit.
Re: New historical high - 290 psi
Diamdiam acting blur and both mamas just doing their indian shurgging shoulders thing and telling you.....
nim peh pun bo idea hor....bo pian......hahahahaha
Diamdiam acting blur and both mamas just doing their indian shurgging shoulders thing and telling you.....
nim peh pun bo idea hor....bo pian......hahahahaha
Re: HAZE goes to sleep at night, according to NEA...KNNBCCB!!
Before I do anything drastic, I need to write my will first.
Before I do anything drastic, I need to write my will first.
Agung Larsono says dun be childish....................... no haze oso can get asthma attack
Re: HAZE goes to sleep at night, according to NEA...KNNBCCB!!
How big is Israel compared to Saudi, Egypt, Iran or Iraq?
How big is Israel compared to Saudi, Egypt, Iran or Iraq?
Shall we hope that LKY kicks the bucket due to haze related problems like his heart failed to pump the 2.5 nano particulates? This cud be reason for war n good reason to test our arsenal plus our paper generals..........
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