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Beware of US Tech: China Dumps Western Tech!

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The US-led sanctions against China may be a blessing in disguise, in the longer term:

1. It forces China to pour money into its own high-end chips sector and critical technologies and reduce reliance on imported tech;
2. It reduces China's exposure to US equipment and software which may be vulnerable to hacking by Western countries (ironic as the US has always accused Huawei of being a party to CCP spying)

The days are long gone where China could just sit back, let the US spend billions on R & D, and then reap the benefits by either importing or stealing US tech and use reverse engineering to catch up. The sanctions are a wake-up call: develop your own original and applied R & D, give support to your own tech companies, and encourage originality and innovation in your institutes of higher learning. Never depend on another's country's largesse: what the US can give you today, it can take back anytime.


Huawei, US-Sanctioned Firms Win as China Dumps Western Tech

October 26, 2023

A push since last year to replace all Western equipment in critical sectors with domestic alternatives ‘has re-drawn entire sub-sectors’ of China’s software industry

China is spending billions on homegrown technology in a push to replace all Western-made equipment from critical sectors, and the move has proved to be a boon for Huawei and other US-sanctioned firms.

The push, having gained pace since last year, has seen Beijing spend heavily on replacing computer equipment, and sources say the telecom and financial sectors are set to be next in line.

The replacement drive has re-drawn entire sub-sectors of the software industry, data shows.

The combined China market share held by five major foreign makers of database management systems – the majority of which are American – dropped from 57.3% in 2018 to 27.3% by the end of 2022, according to industry group IDC.

The push to swap foreign-made technology with domestic alternatives comes as the US clamps down on high-tech exports to the country, and Beijing rushes to “avoid being strangled” by Western tech sanctions.

But the move is also motivated by Chinese President Xi Jinping’s increased focus on removing risks to national security.

‘Beware of US tech’​

Tech researchers such as Mo Jianlei of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the country’s largest state-run research organisation, said the Chinese government was increasingly concerned about Western equipment being hacked by foreign powers.

Over the past year, state-linked researchers also called on Beijing to strengthen anti-hacking defences in its financial infrastructure due to geopolitical concerns.

One March research paper highlighted the dependence of China’s UnionPay credit card system on US software firm BMC for settlements.

“Beware of security vulnerabilities in hardware and software set by the US side … build a financial security ‘firewall’,” the researchers wrote.

State-backed researchers also identified digital payments as particularly vulnerable to possible Western hacking, according to a review of their work. That makes a push to indigenise such technology likely.


Tenders also show domestic replacement projects this year are targeting markedly sensitive infrastructure.

Huawei, US-sanctioned firms gain ground​

China’s long-running effort to build an independent computing system spawned state-owned companies that are now increasingly winning major contracts.

For instance, Beijing awarded two firms tenders to replace foreign-made computers in units linked to the People’s Liberation Army. Both were subsidiaries of China Electronics Corporation and China Electronics Technology Group Corporation — two firms heavily targeted by US sanctions.

Similarly, state-owned China Tobacco in July began switching some subsidiaries from Microsoft Windows to Huawei’s EulerOS, according to an employee of a software vendor that services the firm.

The switch came on the heels of a 2022 order from China’s state asset regulator to replace office software systems with domestic products by 2027. That was the first time such specific deadlines were imposed.

The order pushed state-owned enterprises (SOEs) away from US companies such as Microsoft and Adobe, according to an employee of a Beijing-based firm that develops domestic office-processing software.

Meanwhile, Huawei has since emerged as the leading firm in this replacement cycle, according to three people familiar with China’s enterprise tech industry.

In 2022, Huawei’s enterprise business, which includes software and cloud computing operations, reported 133 billion yuan in sales, up 30% on the previous year.

One of the people said privately-held Huawei was seen as more nimble than state-owned groups in rolling out products and executing projects.

The other two sources highlighted Huawei’s broad product suite – spanning chips to software – as an advantage.

Clients also prize Huawei for its ability to process data on internal company servers and external cloud networks, as well as its wide offering of cybersecurity products, according to the employee of a China Tobacco tech supplier.

The switch in numbers​

The number of tenders from SOEs, government and military bodies to nationalise equipment doubled to 235 from 119 in the 12 months after September 2022, according to a finance ministry database seen by Reuters.

In the same period, the value of awarded projects listed on the database totalled 156.9 million yuan, or more than triple the previous year.

That is only a fraction of nationwide tender bids, but it is the largest collection of state tenders publicly available and mirrors third-party data.

In 2022, China spent 1.4 trillion yuan ($191 billion) replacing foreign hardware and software, marking a year-on-year increase of 16.2%, data from IT research firm First New Voice shows.

China’s tech catch-up​

Despite spending the big bucks, Beijing’s lack of advanced chip-manufacturing capabilities prevent it from completely substituting products with alternatives that are entirely locally made, analysts say.

China’s effort to build an independent computing system dates back to at least its 2006 five-year plan for science and technology development, which listed the semiconductor and software systems sectors as national priorities.

However, previous domestic substitution efforts stalled because China did not have the “technical chops to pull off localisation until now,” Kendra Schaefer, head of tech policy research at Beijing-based consultancy Trivium China, said.

“And to a certain extent they still kind of don’t.”

Western firms still in lead​

Foreign firms still remain dominant suppliers for China’s banking and telecoms database management. Non-Chinese companies held 90% of market share for banking database systems at the end of 2022, according to EqualOcean, a tech consultancy.

Financial institutions are generally reluctant to switch database systems despite government pressure, said one industry source, adding that they have higher stability requirements than many other sectors and local players cannot yet match their needs.

Even for personal computers, banks that switch from an international brand to China’s dominant supplier Lenovo would still be reliant on critical chip components provided by Western firms, one industry source said.

An article published this year in the journal Cyberspace Security by researchers from the state-run China Telecommunications Corporation concluded the country was overdependent on chips made by US giant Qualcomm for back-end management, as well as on Apple’s iOS and Google’s Android systems.

“(They) are all firmly controlled by American companies,” the researchers wrote.


  • Reuters, with additional editing by Vishakha Saxena

 

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Beware of Google!


Google app seen as a trojan bug by some Huawei and Honor phones


by TechNode FeedOct 30, 2023

Some Huawei and Honor smartphone users overseas reported last week that their devices had misidentified the Google app as a “TrojanSMS-PA” virus, a type of malware that can send messages without a user’s consent. According to feedback posted online, affected models include Huawei P10, Huawei P20 Pro, Huawei P30 Pro, Huawei P40 Pro, Huawei Mate 20 X, Huawei Nova 5T, and Honor Magic 5 Lite, operating in various languages. Members of the Google community offered two solutions online: disabling and deleting all Google apps before reinstalling, or clearing the cache and data of the phone management app, and updating the phone management app’s virus library.

https://technode.com/2023/10/30/google-app-seen-as-a-trojan-bug-by-some-huawei-and-honor-phones/
 

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ALL mobile phones are sending unauthorized data back to Apple or Google HQ.

Even Huawei is doing that as well
 

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As long as u have nothing to hide, u should not be worries de woh
You sure? All this info is available to the US government, who can use it against you. It's like saying Huawei's backdoor to the CCP is no big deal if you have nothing to hide.
 

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When I am a NoBODY, who would want to deal with me....they see already all Siam me fast hand fast leg
You sure? All this info is available to the US government, who can use it against you. It's like saying Huawei's backdoor to the CCP is no big deal if you have nothing to hide.
 

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You sure? All this info is available to the US government, who can use it against you. It's like saying Huawei's backdoor to the CCP is no big deal if you have nothing to hide.
Maybe if u are a Charity Big Shot sirs...hdbee hardlander has no worries
 

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You sure? All this info is available to the US government, who can use it against you. It's like saying Huawei's backdoor to the CCP is no big deal if you have nothing to hide.
Big shot sirs spotted

Hi Boss, how are u today?
 

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Exclusive: Baidu placed AI chip order from Huawei in shift away from Nvidia

Reuters
November 8, 20233:59 AM GMT+8Updated 11 hours ago

BEIJING/SHANGHAI, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Baidu (9888.HK) ordered artificial intelligence chips from Huawei (HWT.UL) this year, two people familiar with the matter said, adding to signs that U.S. pressure is prompting Chinese acceptance of the firm's products as an alternative to Nvidia's.

One of the people said Baidu, one of China's leading AI firms, which operates the Ernie large language model (LLM), placed the order in August, ahead of widely anticipated new rules by the U.S. government that in October tightened restrictions on exports of chips and chip tools to China, including those of U.S. chip giant Nvidia (NVDA.O).

Baidu ordered 1,600 of Huawei Technologies' 910B Ascend AI chips - which the Chinese firm developed as an alternative to Nvidia's A100 chip - for 200 servers, the source said, adding that by October, Huawei had delivered more 60% of the order, or about 1,000 chips, to Baidu.

The second person said that the order's total value was approximately 450 million yuan ($61.83 million) and that Huawei was to deliver all of the chips by the end of this year. Both people declined to be named because the details of the deal were confidential.

Although the order is tiny relative to the thousands of chips top Chinese tech firms have historically ordered from Nvidia, the sources said it was significant, as it showed how some firms could shift away from the U.S. company.

Baidu, alongside Chinese peers such as Tencent (0700.HK) and Alibaba (9988.HK), is known to be a long-time client of Nvidia. Baidu was not previously known to be a AI chip customer of Huawei.

Although Huawei's Ascend chips are still seen as far inferior to Nvidia's in terms of performance, the first source said they were the most sophisticated domestic option available in China.

"They were ordering 910B chips to prepare for a future where they may no longer be able to purchase from Nvidia," the first source said.

Baidu and Huawei did not respond to requests for comment. Nvidia declined to comment.

Huawei's website says it has since 2020 collaborated with Baidu to make its AI platform compatible with Huawei hardware. In August, the two companies said they would deepen compatibility between Baidu’s Ernie AI model and Huawei’s Ascend chips.

Baidu has developed its own line of Kunlun AI chips, which the company says supports large-scale AI computing, but the company has mainly relied on Nvidia's A100 chip to train its LLM.

After the U.S. last year imposed rules stopping Nvidia from selling its A100 and H100 chips to China, the company issued new A800 and H800 chips as alternatives for Chinese customers, including Baidu. Nvidia is no longer able to sell those chips to China because of the October rules.

HUAWEI OPPORTUNITY​

Analysts predicted last month that the U.S. curbs would create an opening for Huawei to expand in its $7 billion home market. The company has been the subject of U.S. export controls since 2019.

The order adds to signs of technological advances for Huawei, as Beijing pours investment into its domestic semiconductor industry to help it catch up with overseas peers and urges state-owned firms to replace foreign technology with domestic alternatives.

Huawei drew substantial global attention in August when it unexpectedly unveiled a new smartphone that analysts said uses internally developed processors featuring advanced semiconductor technology, highlighting the company's progress in chip development despite sanctions.

In September, Reuters reported that Huawei's in-house chip design unit, HiSilicon, had commenced shipments of newly developed Chinese-made processors for surveillance cameras to clients in 2023 in another comeback sign.
 

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Exclusive: Baidu placed AI chip order from Huawei in shift away from Nvidia

Reuters
November 8, 20233:59 AM GMT+8Updated 11 hours ago

BEIJING/SHANGHAI, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Baidu (9888.HK) ordered artificial intelligence chips from Huawei (HWT.UL) this year, two people familiar with the matter said, adding to signs that U.S. pressure is prompting Chinese acceptance of the firm's products as an alternative to Nvidia's.

One of the people said Baidu, one of China's leading AI firms, which operates the Ernie large language model (LLM), placed the order in August, ahead of widely anticipated new rules by the U.S. government that in October tightened restrictions on exports of chips and chip tools to China, including those of U.S. chip giant Nvidia (NVDA.O).

Baidu ordered 1,600 of Huawei Technologies' 910B Ascend AI chips - which the Chinese firm developed as an alternative to Nvidia's A100 chip - for 200 servers, the source said, adding that by October, Huawei had delivered more 60% of the order, or about 1,000 chips, to Baidu.

The second person said that the order's total value was approximately 450 million yuan ($61.83 million) and that Huawei was to deliver all of the chips by the end of this year. Both people declined to be named because the details of the deal were confidential.

Although the order is tiny relative to the thousands of chips top Chinese tech firms have historically ordered from Nvidia, the sources said it was significant, as it showed how some firms could shift away from the U.S. company.

Baidu, alongside Chinese peers such as Tencent (0700.HK) and Alibaba (9988.HK), is known to be a long-time client of Nvidia. Baidu was not previously known to be a AI chip customer of Huawei.

Although Huawei's Ascend chips are still seen as far inferior to Nvidia's in terms of performance, the first source said they were the most sophisticated domestic option available in China.

"They were ordering 910B chips to prepare for a future where they may no longer be able to purchase from Nvidia," the first source said.

Baidu and Huawei did not respond to requests for comment. Nvidia declined to comment.

Huawei's website says it has since 2020 collaborated with Baidu to make its AI platform compatible with Huawei hardware. In August, the two companies said they would deepen compatibility between Baidu’s Ernie AI model and Huawei’s Ascend chips.

Baidu has developed its own line of Kunlun AI chips, which the company says supports large-scale AI computing, but the company has mainly relied on Nvidia's A100 chip to train its LLM.

After the U.S. last year imposed rules stopping Nvidia from selling its A100 and H100 chips to China, the company issued new A800 and H800 chips as alternatives for Chinese customers, including Baidu. Nvidia is no longer able to sell those chips to China because of the October rules.

HUAWEI OPPORTUNITY​

Analysts predicted last month that the U.S. curbs would create an opening for Huawei to expand in its $7 billion home market. The company has been the subject of U.S. export controls since 2019.

The order adds to signs of technological advances for Huawei, as Beijing pours investment into its domestic semiconductor industry to help it catch up with overseas peers and urges state-owned firms to replace foreign technology with domestic alternatives.

Huawei drew substantial global attention in August when it unexpectedly unveiled a new smartphone that analysts said uses internally developed processors featuring advanced semiconductor technology, highlighting the company's progress in chip development despite sanctions.

In September, Reuters reported that Huawei's in-house chip design unit, HiSilicon, had commenced shipments of newly developed Chinese-made processors for surveillance cameras to clients in 2023 in another comeback sign.
Well, need to keep foward momentum going
 

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Huawei and Tencent spearhead China's hold on cybersecurity patents

Chinese companies account for 6 of top 10 in field while IBM remains No. 1

AKINOBU IWASAWA, Nikkei staff writerNovember 5, 2023 02:57 JST

TOKYO -- China's presence is growing in cybersecurity technology, with companies such as Huawei and Tencent accounting for six of the top 10 global patent holdings in the sector as of August.

Chinese companies have made headway in technological fields that affect economic security, according to industry insiders, as they focus on fostering their own tech amid the growing standoff between the U.S. and China.

The rankings, compiled by Nikkei in cooperation with U.S. information services provider LexisNexis, are based on patents registered in 95 countries and regions, including Japan, the U.S., China and the European Union. Patent registrations were screened for the cybersecurity field using such factors as the international patent classification, with filings of the same patent in multiple countries counted as a single patent.

As of August, IBM led the rankings with 6,363 patents. Huawei Technologies came in second with 5,735 patents and Tencent Holdings placed third with 4,803.

Other Chinese companies in the top 10 included financial services provider Ant Group in sixth with 3,922 patents, followed by power transmission company State Grid Corp. of China with 3,696, Alibaba Group Holding with 3,122 and sovereign wealth fund China Investment Corp. with 3,042.

Patent applications filed by Chinese companies have increased since around 2018, when the U.S. began to impose full-scale export controls on Chinese high-tech companies. Compared with 10 years ago, IBM's patent holdings increased by a factor of 1.5. In contrast, holdings for Huawei and Tencent were 2.3 times and 13 times higher, respectively.

"We've seen a dramatic increase in filings by Chinese firms in general, especially since 2018," said Hiroko Osaka, head of marketing in Asia for LexisNexis Japan's intellectual property department.

In 2018, the U.S. administration of Donald Trump imposed additional tariffs on Chinese advanced technology products.

"The importance of IP protection was reaffirmed in the battle for supremacy over advanced technology and data, which may have sparked the surge of application filings by Chinese firms," said Osaka.

Taking a closer look by field, Huawei holds a large number of cyber patents related to wireless and other communications technologies. Tencent has an emphasis on authentication technologies such as email and identity verification, while Ant Group has many patents related to query languages used for database processing requests.

Huawei has strengths in automotive-related technologies. The most valuable technologies are related to so-called network slicing, which virtually partitions the network according to its use. With its application in such areas as 5G high-speed communication standards and cloud computing, the technology's reach extends to connected cars and communication devices.

According to the company, it will conclude patent license agreements with major suppliers in various countries, including BMW, Renault and Subaru. More than 350 companies worldwide have acquired Huawei licenses, with license revenue in 2022 totaling $560 million.

Each patent was indexed to reflect the number of citations -- a gauge of its technical value -- and the strength of the market in the region where the patents are held. Huawei and Ant Group placed first and second to beat out IBM. Over the past five to six years, the filings of the Chinese companies have included a higher percentage of the latest technology than IBM and others.

"The Chinese holding a large number of cyber patents will serve to deter companies in other countries looking to develop and sell products such as telecommunications equipment and software," said Masahiro Osaka, a patent lawyer who specializes in intellectual property of advanced technologies.

Even if Chinese products and services are excluded from the markets of other countries, "standard-essential patents" held by Chinese companies would force competitors to either spend large sums of money to contest every patent or give up and pay licensing fees to Chinese companies, according to Masahiro Osaka.
 

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Yes.
They want to be self sufficient.
They build their own tech.
But they will be on their own.
No choice.

The US will never allow China access to its top tier technology no matter how China kowtows, because China is the only power in the world that can rival and overtake the US. From the US' point of view, the world can only accommodate 1 superpower. No shared leadership.
 

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China under Xi might have better things to do.
if they really want to conquer the World, they could do it.
 

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China under Xi might have better things to do.
if they really want to conquer the World, they could do it.
Their economy is deflating, consumer confidence post-COVID hasn't rebounded, corruption in the CCP ranks still a big problem, Belt & Road countries debts totalling $1.3 trillion, SCS conflicts, US sanctions, intra-CCP politics... Xi has his hands full.

Conquering the world not a priority at all. Not even invading Taiwan (Pinky is right on this point).
 

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All these information are all lacking in Our news media. There are still a lot of people in Singapore believing China under Xi Is a peace living country.
Of course the MSM in Singapore don't actively report news from China.
All these information are all from Taiwanese new media. What we have know has been unfolded a few months back.
 

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All these information are all lacking in Our news media. There are still a lot of people in Singapore believing China under Xi Is a peace living country.
Of course the MSM in Singapore don't actively report news from China.
All these information are all from Taiwanese new media. What we have know has been unfolded a few months back.
The teeth is somewhere in-between the 2 extremes
 

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Exclusive: Baidu placed AI chip order from Huawei in shift away from Nvidia

Reuters
November 8, 20233:59 AM GMT+8Updated 11 hours ago

BEIJING/SHANGHAI, Nov 7 (Reuters) - Baidu (9888.HK) ordered artificial intelligence chips from Huawei (HWT.UL) this year, two people familiar with the matter said, adding to signs that U.S. pressure is prompting Chinese acceptance of the firm's products as an alternative to Nvidia's.

One of the people said Baidu, one of China's leading AI firms, which operates the Ernie large language model (LLM), placed the order in August, ahead of widely anticipated new rules by the U.S. government that in October tightened restrictions on exports of chips and chip tools to China, including those of U.S. chip giant Nvidia (NVDA.O).

Baidu ordered 1,600 of Huawei Technologies' 910B Ascend AI chips - which the Chinese firm developed as an alternative to Nvidia's A100 chip - for 200 servers, the source said, adding that by October, Huawei had delivered more 60% of the order, or about 1,000 chips, to Baidu.

The second person said that the order's total value was approximately 450 million yuan ($61.83 million) and that Huawei was to deliver all of the chips by the end of this year. Both people declined to be named because the details of the deal were confidential.

Although the order is tiny relative to the thousands of chips top Chinese tech firms have historically ordered from Nvidia, the sources said it was significant, as it showed how some firms could shift away from the U.S. company.

Baidu, alongside Chinese peers such as Tencent (0700.HK) and Alibaba (9988.HK), is known to be a long-time client of Nvidia. Baidu was not previously known to be a AI chip customer of Huawei.

Although Huawei's Ascend chips are still seen as far inferior to Nvidia's in terms of performance, the first source said they were the most sophisticated domestic option available in China.

"They were ordering 910B chips to prepare for a future where they may no longer be able to purchase from Nvidia," the first source said.

Baidu and Huawei did not respond to requests for comment. Nvidia declined to comment.

Huawei's website says it has since 2020 collaborated with Baidu to make its AI platform compatible with Huawei hardware. In August, the two companies said they would deepen compatibility between Baidu’s Ernie AI model and Huawei’s Ascend chips.

Baidu has developed its own line of Kunlun AI chips, which the company says supports large-scale AI computing, but the company has mainly relied on Nvidia's A100 chip to train its LLM.

After the U.S. last year imposed rules stopping Nvidia from selling its A100 and H100 chips to China, the company issued new A800 and H800 chips as alternatives for Chinese customers, including Baidu. Nvidia is no longer able to sell those chips to China because of the October rules.

HUAWEI OPPORTUNITY​

Analysts predicted last month that the U.S. curbs would create an opening for Huawei to expand in its $7 billion home market. The company has been the subject of U.S. export controls since 2019.

The order adds to signs of technological advances for Huawei, as Beijing pours investment into its domestic semiconductor industry to help it catch up with overseas peers and urges state-owned firms to replace foreign technology with domestic alternatives.

Huawei drew substantial global attention in August when it unexpectedly unveiled a new smartphone that analysts said uses internally developed processors featuring advanced semiconductor technology, highlighting the company's progress in chip development despite sanctions.

In September, Reuters reported that Huawei's in-house chip design unit, HiSilicon, had commenced shipments of newly developed Chinese-made processors for surveillance cameras to clients in 2023 in another comeback sign.
But nvidia has chinese ceo and founder.
 
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