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Baby gloom haunts Lee

char_jig_kar

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The Star Onlne

Saturday March 28, 2009

Baby gloom haunts Lee
INSIGHT: DOWN SOUTH WITH SEAH CHIANG NEE

True-blue citizens may go the way of the Mohicans with the city-state’s falling marriage and birth rates.

THE rising number of reluctant brides, particularly among the highly educated, has again been highlighted by Singapore’s founding leader Lee Kuan Yew.

In a recent dialogue with undergraduates, Minister Mentor Lee pointed to his own daughter as an example when he talked about the long-term impact of falling marriage and procreation rates.

His concern about Singapore’s population slide had been around for some 25 years, seeing it a threat to its long-term survival.

A newspaper headline just asked: “Will we be the last of the Mohicans (an American Red Indian tribe that became extinct)?”

In other words, the low fertility will lead to the extinction of the present 3.25 million true-blue Singaporeans.

The white-haired Lee says an increasing number of the better-educated women are choosing to remain single as a lifestyle choice, and happy with it.

Some 33% of men and women are single, according to Lee. And to prevent an eventual collapse, Singapore has to import foreigners.

Lee aimed his marriage-and-population message at the very people – university students – he wanted to reach.

When he first talked about the subject, it was a generation ago. The people then would have included some parents of the current audience.

At the time, the reaction was a surprise since the birth rates were not yet at crisis point.

Lee is 86 today. This year he enters a historic 50th year of state leadership to become the world’s longest serving leader.

He showed the students an uncharacteristic glimpse of his softer, fatherly figure, a divergence from his past combatant self. This time, he talked of his unmarried daughter to make a point.

She is Dr Lee Wei Ling, the bright 54-year-old director of the National institute of Neurological Sciences, who once lashed out at the “elitist attitude of some in our upper socio-economic class.”

Writing that she was neither anti-establishment nor “a government mouthpiece,” Dr Lee added: “I am capable of independent thought.”

Something dad probably agrees with. In his fatherly eyes, Dr Lee – however mature or brilliant – is still a child who needs looking after.

After saying that one-third of men and women in Singapore were single “and quite comfortable with their lives”, the Minister Mentor said: “My daughter is one of them. What can I do?”

Then in an unusually emotional mood, Lee told the young audience: “When she was in her early 30s, I told her, never mind all this.

“My wife and I used to tell her, what you want is a “Mrs” (to her name). She didn’t think it was funny. Now, she is 50-plus.

“I’m getting old. I’ve got a pacemaker. We’ve got this big house, everything is looked after now, but what happens when we are no longer there?

“Who’s going to run this place? Who’s going to make sure that the maids are doing the right thing and so on and so forth? That’s the price she (Dr Lee) will have to pay.

“She says, I’ll look after myself, but she has not been looking after herself all these years.

“She went abroad for her studies. And her cooking was just to take the salmon and put it in the microwave and heat it up. You can do it and then go to the canteen, but when you do that day after day ...

“It’s a choice she has made and a choice that 35% of our women are making.”

However, in the 21st Century, women are the key to population control, Lee said, but “you have to couple an educated woman with equal job opportunities”.

The ageing Lee is still not beyond putting down his opponents either in the courts or using the law and police. On this occasion he talked of his own mortality.

At any rate, he remains very active in the running of the country.

He no longer sounded like the pugnacious 35-year-old lawyer who became Singapore’s first prime minister in 1959 when it was a self-governing colony.

In talking about lifestyle choice, Lee may have left out other factors that is contributing to fewer Singaporeans marrying and producing babies.

One is the highly competitive life in a tiny Singapore that has few resources. From school to work to business, it is one test after another for the people.

Another is the high cost of living. The Economist Intelligence survey named Singapore the 10th most expensive country in the world, and the present crisis could make things tougher.

Last year inflation rose by 6.5%, the highest level in 28 years, with the poor being the hardest hit – not a formula for more babies.

During the past decade wages of the broad middle class stagnated, while that of the lower-income group actually declined.

Some young critics blame it on policies that Lee had instituted all these years, particularly giving priority to economic growth over individual needs.

This is the second time Lee has referred to his offsprings being affected by dramatic social changes.

Apart from his daughter, Lee had earlier said that Li Hongyi, his grandson (the son of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong) had succumbed to the emigration trend. He has said he may remain in the United States after graduation.

A Singaporean wrote: “At least Lee now realises that no matter how tight he controls Singapore, there are things that are beyond him – like marriage, emigration and having children.”

His problem is amplified by a young lady, who wrote: “We don’t need men to take care of our needs. We can afford our every material whim and fancy.”

http://thestar.com.my/columnists/st...sightdownsouth/3566303&sec=Insight Down South
 

commoner

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Daughter no married because he no approve daughter with keling,,,,, now regret,,,,

Grandson in US not coming back because hongyi is ashamed of his grandfather and ball-less father,,,,

Serves him right,,,,, when up the lorry,,,, see any grandchildren see him off or not,,,, The eldest grandson, the albino, sure happy to see him up the lorry after he make his mother commit suicide......

What you sow is what you reap, Old Fart
 

char_jig_kar

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Who’s going to run this place? Who’s going to make sure that the maids are doing the right thing and so on and so forth? That’s the price she (Dr Lee) will have to pay."

*rolleyes...* Harlo? Some people have to worry about the next meal. Or next months bill. Worry about the job. And Lee Kuan Yew worry about her 50 years old daughter, whether she could make sure the maids are doing the right thing? Like what?? Sofa cushion have to arrange in color code?
 

exSINgaporean

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Daughter no married because he no approve daughter with keling,,,,, now regret,,,,

Grandson in US not coming back because hongyi is ashamed of his grandfather and ball-less father,,,,

Serves him right,,,,, when up the lorry,,,, see any grandchildren see him off or not,,,, The eldest grandson, the albino, sure happy to see him up the lorry after he make his mother commit suicide......

What you sow is what you reap, Old Fart

"The eldest grandson, the albino, sure happy to see him up the lorry after he make his mother commit suicide"

What commit suicide...don't any how say OK. This is a very sensitive issue...more so than the kangoroo court and the Hotel Property issue...both landed the opposition and ordinary Singaporeans to jail and bankruptcy.

What "official rumours" did you get from about this "commit suicide" case? You heard it from the source like the old maid working in LKY's home or what?

If I don't warn you then you would any how say the honourable gentleman Tay Cheong Wai, ex Mininster of Development who was convicted of corruption, also committed suicide as a result of LKY's screwing?

Don't any how say OK?

If I don't stop you then you will say the Honourable Hole Jinx resigned bec. he lost $50 billion. NO lah, she resigend bec. she jsut want to "eat wind" OK.

Also who told you LKY's daughter wanted to marry an Indian and did not get the parents' approval? Who say? That guy could be an Africian BLACK with a huge 12 inch solid cock. LKY is so good to stop his daughter to be srew by this huge black cock bec. his big mouth daughter would then write to the press and condemn all the Singapore males' small 6 inch cock!

Many Singaporeans might hate LKY but none must spread "official rumours".

However, get ready to celebrate...old fox will die soon.
 

Cestbon

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"The eldest grandson, the albino, sure happy to see him up the lorry after he make his mother commit suicide"

What commit suicide...don't any how say OK. This is a very sensitive issue...more so than the kangoroo court and the Hotel Property issue...both landed the opposition and ordinary Singaporeans to jail and bankruptcy.

What "official rumours" did you get from about this "commit suicide" case? You heard it from the source like the old maid working in LKY's home or what?

If I don't warn you then you would any how say the honourable gentleman Tay Cheong Wai, ex Mininster of Development who was convicted of corruption, also committed suicide as a result of LKY's screwing?

Don't any how say OK?

If I don't stop you then you will say the Honourable Hole Jinx resigned bec. he lost $50 billion. NO lah, she resigend bec. she jsut want to "eat wind" OK.

Also who told you LKY's daughter wanted to marry an Indian and did not get the parents' approval? Who say? That guy could be an Africian BLACK with a huge 12 inch solid cock. LKY is so good to stop his daughter to be srew by this huge black cock bec. his big mouth daughter would then write to the press and condemn all the Singapore males' small 6 inch cock!

Many Singaporeans might hate LKY but none must spread "official rumours".

However, get ready to celebrate...old fox will die soon.

Ha ha ha...................SO many reason but never blame own mistake.
 

SamuelStalin

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by a young lady, who wrote: “We don’t need men to take care of our needs. We can afford our every material whim and fancy.”

Greatest joke of the century. Yeah right. So what about sexual needs? Why the omission from your false pride and insecurity? Yup, for sexual needs you can definitely afford several boy toys to prostitute yourself to.

Actually, no matter what they think and what they do, they are whores in the end, they know it, and, they love it. High-class whores and low-class whores, they are all whores all the same.
 

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Dear Frens,

I do not understand why LKY is upset about this when he is the main cause of it? and y is he so obsessed with babies? he regrets he did not make more when he could? for the past 20 years, he has made singapore a worse place to live in, look at what is happening now? Inflation is caused by his policy, HDB flats are built badly, and in isolated locations and at high cost, public tpt is far from world class, jobs are not secure and Foreigners getting a better deals than his said 'true blue singaporeans'. and the worse of all NS and being ORD, as if NSmen dont have to work etc.

This is of his own making so what is he complaning about? talk about hypocrisy
 

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Dear Frens,

I do not understand why LKY is upset about this when he is the main cause of it? and y is he so obsessed with babies? he regrets he did not make more when he could? for the past 20 years, he has made singapore a worse place to live in, look at what is happening now? Inflation is caused by his policy, HDB flats are built badly, and in isolated locations and at high cost, public tpt is far from world class, jobs are not secure and Foreigners getting a better deals than his said 'true blue singaporeans'. and the worse of all NS and being ORD, as if NSmen dont have to work etc.

This is of his own making so what is he complaning about? talk about hypocrisy
He can always ask his sons and grandsons to procreate more right?
 

borom

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city-state’s falling marriage and birth rates..... Lee may have left out other factors....One is the highly competitive life in a tiny Singapore ...
Another is the high cost of living....... wages of the broad middle class stagnated, while that of the lower-income group actually declined.....

Do you really believe the 85 year old do not know the real reasons for the falling birth rates when everyone else does?

He is using it to justify his FT policy which will-
a)increase the number of "correct" voters who will vote for the party
b)to increase the population to 6.5 million so that they can lord over a bigger
empire and
c)show the whole world how "popular" their place is -as it can "attract" people
from all over the world.
:eek:
 

2lanu

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He can blame it on the external factor or his configuration and planning on policy.

The dual income per household was kickstarted by him. Many Asean countries are not even this even today. SG propelled forward but with marriage/kid bearing being neglected or void.

You gained some and lose some. :rolleyes:
 

War Criminal

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This year with the recession the no. of births sure dip even more.

I think the PAP better prepare themselves for a shock when they review 2009 annual birth rate.

Never mind, let Singapore burn lah. It was good while it lasted
 

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very soon NS will begin at age 15 and last 5 years in order to have sufficient bodies to protect S'pore.
 

tiulehloumoh

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This year with the recession the no. of births sure dip even more.

I think the PAP better prepare themselves for a shock when they review 2009 annual birth rate.

Never mind, let Singapore burn lah. It was good while it lasted

Are you sure less birth........see aunties with swollen tummy every where....or could these aunties had been eating too much.....:biggrin::biggrin:
 

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he knows the biggest problem of all these but he cannot say it - women are too educated today.

No. He had tried that many years ago.

He had said that if given a choice, he would like to adopt the Japanese model.

Singaporean women would still be given a chance to pursue higher education - Not with the hard science & technology but with the softer side of education, e.g. floral arrangement, gracious aspect of life..etc

As expected, he was whacked left, right & centre by those educated Singaporean women who are benefited under his education policy..
 

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this lao cheebye senile old man, still tok cock so much. He want sickaporeans to give birth right? Easy lah, setup up some stupid laws and force all sickaporeans to have one baby, if not fine $10,000.00

This one sure worked one, grabment summon you, you lan lan, no $ oso have to find way to pay. So giving birth oso same lah, force you to have babies...

fuck the pap to hell
 

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No. He had tried that many years ago.

He had said that if given a choice, he would like to adopt the Japanese model.

Singaporean women would still be given a chance to pursue higher education - Not with the hard science & technology but with the softer side of education, e.g. floral arrangement, gracious aspect of life..etc

As expected, he was whacked left, right & centre by those educated Singaporean women who are benefited under his education policy..

I think this is incredibly ridiculous here, this post, almost sexist.

The reason on why birth rates has been falling is not really because people are getting educated, including girls, but because of rising living costs. The bottom line is that if singles cannot afford to take care of their own needs, would they want to marry and get even more financial burdens(not to mention its pretty expensive just to arrange and set up a 10 course dinner in one of the hotels; you are looking at bills that's worth thousands).

Of course, I think most developed nations are also facing the same problems, and with girls being more educated not because they like it or that they all want it, but because of increasing work hours, fall in general income among middle class families, and rise in living standards overall. That's why even married couples in almost every developed nation are having kids when they're in their 30s, not like when it was in the 60s or 70s, when couples could have three kids, and which only the family just needs the Dad to work, while the mother stays home.

Of course, another pressing issue is the rise of STDs and HIV in the 80s, which led to more couples, and more singles being fearful of the consequences of easy casual sex- whether they get it or not. So even if as married couples continue to get intimate in the bedrooms, they get protection, both in the shape of a condom and the pill respectively.

All in all though, I think its very important not to just blame the women just because its easy to do so. After all, women who are educated, and have or want to work because of pressing financial issues should be allowed to work; its their right to choose. At the same time, the government must allow all of its people to have the right to negotiate with their employers about work-life balances and to ease the financial burdens on working class couples and singles, especially in education, health care, and maternity leave benefits.

Governments must also manage the inflow and outflow of migrants and immigrants so that those who settle down in the host country are those who really want to be here, really have shown ability and potential and are gonna stay here for a very long time. Only then can we get out of this abysmal situation.

In short, its better to find and make an alternative solution that is viable; rather than to blame women in a condescending, sexist manner. Its easy to do the latter of course, but when you do that, it just makes observers think you're pretty clueless about the whole thing. We can do better than this.
 
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