Serious Almost 2 months, India did not deny nor justify why they had invaded China, yes?

[motormafia]

What are the forum's view?

Did India denied that their troops are remained across the border over almost 2 months on the Chinese side with tents and bulldozer?

Did India claimed any legal or justified reasons for that?

The Chinese said that location is one that has no dispute over the position of border line, hence the Indian troops are not an area which their govt claimed to own, and they are aware that Chinese warned them to withdraw back to their own side repeatedly. No claims from India that they "were just staying within their own territory" what so ever. Is that correct?

 

[zhihau]

China and India have 1.4 billion population each. Who will blink first? Altogether now!!! Hoot ah!!!

 

[JohnTan]

Why don't the chinks chase the kelings away as aggressively as they did to the charlies and the pinoys?

 

[motormafia]

China and India have 1.4 billion population each. Who will blink first? Altogether now!!! Hoot ah!!!

So Meaning Indians are determined to pick a fight?

 

[motormafia]

Why don't the chinks chase the kelings away as aggressively as they did to the charlies and the pinoys?

Should declare war or just Humtum 1st then talk later?

 

[3_M]

So Meaning Indians are determined to pick a fight?

Not really. Indian was hoping that china would compromise knowing that they are busy with scs and North Korea and couldn't afford to have another flashpoint with the Indian. But China didn't compromise and sent in more troops.

India and modi govt is now caught between a rock and a hard place. Withdrawing unconditionally would diminish his standing and threaten his political life. Fighting war and end up losing would further cause Bhutan to ditch India for China. Of course best outcome is India beats China but modi should know that probability isn't high.

Right now he is hoping to drag the dispute till sep when the weather turn so cold and hostile that it not possible to station anyone there. He can by then withdraw claiming victory. What are the chances China allows that to happen?

I think 50-50

 

[gingerlyn]

several terrorist attacks in India by Pakistan militants are actually funded and received training in China

 

[rectmobile]

What are the forum's view?

Did India denied that their troops are remained across the border over almost 2 months on the Chinese side with tents and bulldozer?

Did India claimed any legal or justified reasons for that?

The Chinese said that location is one that has no dispute over the position of border line, hence the Indian troops are not an area which their govt claimed to own, and they are aware that Chinese warned them to withdraw back to their own side repeatedly. No claims from India that they "were just staying within their own territory" what so ever. Is that correct?

That is not an invasion, that is called step over the territory illegally.

 

[Sideswipe]

China are probably delaying actions until after the ninth BRICS summit in Xiamen, September, which India is a participant.

China must retaliate, or else they will become paper tiger lah.

 

[3_M]

China are probably delaying actions until after the ninth BRICS summit in Xiamen, September, which India is a participant.

China must retaliate, or else they will become paper tiger lah.

One possibility is China could intentional adopt a more dovish stance to make India tried again. Knowing that Indian always like to take advantage when they perceive weakness on other parties.
By then china will have greater moral standing to go all out and recovered southern Tibet.

 

[sleaguepunter]

One possibility is China could intentional adopt a more dovish stance to make India tried again. Knowing that Indian always like to take advantage when they perceive weakness on other parties.
By then china will have greater moral standing to go all out and recovered southern Tibet.

no matter how tiongland media making fun of keling military incompetence and low tech, the number 200k mountain troops still have to be respected, especially tiongland has only 2 mountain brigades. It will take PLA some time to buildup new aviation regiments, both of fixed wings and rotary wings to tibet, arty regiments and at least another 3-4 mech infantry divisions before starting the offensive. of course being 天朝上国，人民解放军 will give keling a final warning before 挥师南下。

PLA last conflict was 1979 中越战争, let just say PLA not exactly done itself proud in that conflict after havoc caused by the culture revolution. So with the current modernzation of PLA, i wont be surprise the CCP military commission will use this indian provocation as a mean to test its own military strength. A short war with aim to end before the start of the first snow as i doubt PLA heavy lift capacity can sustain over the winter period.

 

[3_M]

no matter how tiongland media making fun of keling military incompetence and low tech, the number 200k mountain troops still have to be respected, especially tiongland has only 2 mountain brigades. It will take PLA some time to buildup new aviation regiments, both of fixed wings and rotary wings to tibet, arty regiments and at least another 3-4 mech infantry divisions before starting the offensive. of course being 天朝上国，人民解放军 will give keling a final warning before 挥师南下。

PLA last conflict was 1979 中越战争, let just say PLA not exactly done itself proud in that conflict after havoc caused by the culture revolution. So with the current modernzation of PLA, i wont be surprise the CCP military commission will use this indian provocation as a mean to test its own military strength. A short war with aim to end before the start of the first snow as i doubt PLA heavy lift capacity can sustain over the winter period.

The depth of ah neh offensive against china is very limited hinder by very steep valley on the Chinese side. It will only make them the easy target for artillery. Whereas for the Chinese, if they can get the logistic through those mountains, it will be relatively easy to push further as ah neh sides of the Himalayan are gentle plain.

The key thing here is air superiority and logistic. Not number of troops.

 

[sleaguepunter]

The depth of ah neh offensive against china is very limited hinder by very steep valley on the Chinese side. It will only make them the easy target for artillery. Whereas for the Chinese, if they can get the logistic through those mountains, it will be relatively easy to push further as ah neh sides of the Himalayan are gentle plain.

The key thing here is air superiority and logistic. Not number of troops.

that why i post PLA need time to buildup, not only in terms of troops strength, but supplies too. i only post PLA need another 3-4 mech infantry divisions which hardly reach 50k extra more men plus the original 2 mountain brigades. That 1:3, the modern ratio for a highly trained and modern military against a more numerous but obsolete enemy. To move military hardware by rail or road will be under US spy satellites, so the buildup will be done slowly. Best give those units time to aclimatise the high altitude envoirnment as dont forget Bhutan is at least 7000ft above sea level, it will not only affect the living things, the machines will react differently too. So better give the human operators how it will like to operate their vehicle/machine at 7000ft.

i doubt the commie want to 撕破脸 with the keling, the offensive will be limited. Should be model after the 1962 offensive and the 1979 sino vietnamese war, a punitive campagin to push into the himalayan plain before a withdraw back to commie determined LOC.

 

[Rogue Trader]

how about Changi business park and Mandarin gardens?

 

[vanad]

Who invaded whose territory? What country was actually invaded? Who has been lately expanding their territory?

 

[whorejinx]

how about Changi business park and Mandarin gardens?

Ah Pu Neh have a pressing urgency to pick a fight with Ah Tiong over their 1B1R policies, this round is exciting. Whole SG will be seeing Neh & Tiong shedding blood as well.

 

[motormafia]

Not really. Indian was hoping that china would compromise knowing that they are busy with scs and North Korea and couldn't afford to have another flashpoint with the Indian. But China didn't compromise and sent in more troops.

India and modi govt is now caught between a rock and a hard place. Withdrawing unconditionally would diminish his standing and threaten his political life. Fighting war and end up losing would further cause Bhutan to ditch India for China. Of course best outcome is India beats China but modi should know that probability isn't high.

Right now he is hoping to drag the dispute till sep when the weather turn so cold and hostile that it not possible to station anyone there. He can by then withdraw claiming victory. What are the chances China allows that to happen?

I think 50-50

Chinese can let NK go war with Japan & US, and once US got the NK missile heat it will not be too free to disturb South China Sea. Chinese can focus on India.

 

[motormafia]

China are probably delaying actions until after the ninth BRICS summit in Xiamen, September, which India is a participant.

China must retaliate, or else they will become paper tiger lah.

Reading news Chinese Military is going to a war mode but in slow motion playback.

 

[3_M]

that why i post PLA need time to buildup, not only in terms of troops strength, but supplies too. i only post PLA need another 3-4 mech infantry divisions which hardly reach 50k extra more men plus the original 2 mountain brigades. That 1:3, the modern ratio for a highly trained and modern military against a more numerous but obsolete enemy. To move military hardware by rail or road will be under US spy satellites, so the buildup will be done slowly. Best give those units time to aclimatise the high altitude envoirnment as dont forget Bhutan is at least 7000ft above sea level, it will not only affect the living things, the machines will react differently too. So better give the human operators how it will like to operate their vehicle/machine at 7000ft.

i doubt the commie want to 撕破脸 with the keling, the offensive will be limited. Should be model after the 1962 offensive and the 1979 sino vietnamese war, a punitive campagin to push into the himalayan plain before a withdraw back to commie determined LOC.

Probability of a replay of 1962 is slim but small scale skirmish is relatively high.

Key is still air superiority and logistic. China current air superiority and artillery firepower can cut off indian resupply. India 200k mountain troops will instantly died of starvation and cold. But if china wants to retake southern Tibet, she needs to ramp up her resupply capability else it will be hard for her to hold on to the captured land. Specifically more helicopters capable of operating at such altitude and heavy strategic lifter are needed. I think give china another 10 years.