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A spot of history: 5 Jan 1642 / Coleman Street, London

bryanlim1972

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http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=35755
DIE Mercurii, videlicet, 5 die Januarii.

PRAYERS.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Nathaniel Fynes:

Message from the H. C. about the King's coming to their House, to demand some Members.

"1. To acquaint their Lordships, that Yesterday the King came to the Door of the House of Commons with armed Men, and came into their House in Person when the House sat, and demanded some of their Members, which they conceive is a high and great Breach of the Privileges of Parliament; therefore they thought it fit to give their Lordships Notice of it, as a Breach of Privilege, for it may concern this House likewise.

They desire a Guard for the Parliament.

"2. The House of Commons renews their former Desire to their Lordships, to join with them to petition His Majesty that the Parliament may (fn. *) have such Guards for to secure them, as shall be approved of by the King and both Houses of Parliament.

Two of their Committees adjourned to Guildhall, London.

"3. The House of Commons do let their Lordships know, That they have appointed a Committee to sit at Guildhall, in London, and have also appointed the Committee for the Irish Affairs to meet there."

Hereupon it was Ordered, That the Lords Committees for the Irish Affairs shall meet in this House when the House rises, and shall have Power to adjourn themselves from Time to Time, and from Place to Place, as they shall see Cause.

The Answer returned to the Messengers of the House of Commons was:

Answer to the H. C.

That, touching the renewing of the Petition for Guards, their Lordships have already sent to the King about it; and the King's Answer is, "That He will send an Answer speedily;" but their Lordships will renew it again.

Search for Precedents about Accusations.

Ordered, That the Committees appointed to consider of the Accusation of Mr. Attorney General against the Members of both Houses, shall meet Tomorrow, and consider of Precedents, and report the same to this House.

Records sent for.

Ordered, That all Capital Proceedings in Parliament from 4 E. III. unto 19 E. IV. as also the Close Roll concerning the Earl of Kent's Case, Anno 4 E. III. shall be brought before the Lords Committees in this House, on Friday next, at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon.

Further Day given to the Bishops impeached.

Whereas the Twelve Bishops, impeached of High Treason by the House of Commons, were to have put in their Answers into this House unto the said Impeachment on the 7th of this Instant January, by Order dated the 30th of December last; it is now Ordered, That the said Lords Bishops shall put in their said Answers on Wednesday the 12th of this Instant January, and not before; and hereof they are not to fail, but to take Notice and perform it accordingly.

Bailifwick of Surrey in Windsor Forest.

Whereas the House was this Day informed, "That Commissioners touching the Bailifwick of Surrey are to meet on Thursday the Sixth Day of January Instant, or some Time after, to enquire of, and find out, the Bounds of the Bailifwick of Surrey in His Majesty's Forest of Windsor, as they were used and taken, in the 20th Year of King James;" and it was likewise informed, "That some Question hath been made, whether the Enquiry what the Bounds of the said Bailifwick are in Right, as well what and how the same were used in the said 20th Year, this House hath now in Consideration, and it is intended, that some speedy Declaration will be made by the Parliament of and concerning the same, and the In tention of the said Statute:" Whereupon it is thought fit, and so Ordered, by the Lords in Parliament, That the said Commissioners shall, at their said Meeting, adjourn, without any further Proceeding, unto some Day that the said Commissioners shall think fit, after the Ninth Day of February next: and it is further Ordered, That, between this and the said Meeting, His Majesty shall receive no Prejudice, touching or any Ways concerning the said Forest and the Bounds thereof, nor in His Majesty's Deer in the said Forest, or belonging unto the same; and that public Declaration be made hereof in all such Places, and to all such Persons, to whom this Business doth appertain, or hath Relation unto.

Adjourn.

Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Martis, videlicet, 11m diem instantis Januarii, hora 1a post meridiem, Dominis sic decernentibus.

ref: Pym, Hampden, Haselrig, Strode and Holles

found 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Haselrig
found another 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hampden
1 more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Strode
1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pym
and not least: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denzil_Holles,_1st_Baron_Holles

these guys are heros!
 
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bryanlim1972

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_money

Ship money refers to a tax that Charles I of England tried to levy without the consent of Parliament. This tax, which was applied only to coastal towns during a time of war, unfairly charged people living near the coast as Charles I claimed that he owned the sea so he charged the people for using it regardless of their profession. As long as they lived within 15 miles of the coast they would be taxed. The collection of the tax inland during peacetime started in 1634 and provoked increasing resistance by 1636. This conflict was one of the causes of the English Civil War.
 

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If I had the power, I would say this to the seventy plus Members of Parliament who belong to that Traitorous Party before kicking them out of the house:

"It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!" - Dissolution of the Long Parliament by Oliver Cromwell given to the House of Commons, 20 April 1653


[video=youtube;rXOrkTrKzjc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXOrkTrKzjc[/video]
 
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Rumpole

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@1:01 "The King is not England and England is not the King!"

Translate to Singlish: The FamiLEE or Lightning is not Sinkieland and Sinkieland is not the FamiLEE or Lightning.

[video=youtube;lOrhRJqAJZo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOrhRJqAJZo[/video]
 
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bryanlim1972

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singlish is so much more concise and efficient, but failure to codify it prevents it from gaining formal recognition.

anyway, no lah, don't quah zhang lah. its just anothler day in history that i stumbled across coz i'm obviously from coleman street area. its fascinating how random links can sometimes lead to improbable results.

@1:01 "The King is not England and England is not the King!"

Translate to Singlish: The FamiLEE or Lightning is not Sinkieland and Sinkieland is not the FamiLEE or Lightning.

[video=youtube;lOrhRJqAJZo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOrhRJqAJZo[/video]
 
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