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PTE Dominque Lee family & supporters: Why can't you be like 2LT Loh's family?

steffychun

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http://kementah.blogspot.sg/2009/10/blue-on-blue-part-6b-fathers-pain.html

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VIOLENCE AT MEET-THE-PEOPLE SESSIONS

By Lawrence Loh
It started with MP Seng Han Thong being set on fire. Then came MP Denise Phua who was threatened by a rag-and-bone man. Now it is MP Cynthia Phua who was subjected to a display of violence by a constituent.

Although these incidents are disturbing and a cause for concern, I wonder whether the constituents are solely to be blamed.

Allow me to relate my personal experience.

In February 2001, my older son died in a naval accident whilst serving National Service. In that year, my younger son was due for enlistment. A friend, a very active grassroots member, suggested that I approach my MP, for help in exploring the possibility of getting an exemption for my younger son. I was reluctant but he went ahead to fix an appointment for me at the Meet-The-People Session (MPS). I subsequently relented and he accompanied me there. It was in March 2001. That was my first appearance at a MPS, and it was to be my last.

I waited until midnight before I could meet the MP. Prior to this, he was given the case paper which detailed the objective of the meeting and the circumstances of my case.

When I entered the room, his first remark was “Yes, what can I do for you?”. There was no attempt at offering a word of sympathy or condolence. I then related my situation and said that both my wife and I were very traumatised.

His next remark was:“What traumatic? After two months, you won’t be traumatic.”.


With that, I decided to end the meeting. And with that, my respect for him hit ground zero. I was too stunned and grief-stricken to react. Someone who was less-controlled and less-measured than me could have flown into a rage and become violent.

MPs are elected or appointed to serve the constituents. People who attend the MPS are those who have real problems and need help. In a lot of instances, they are stressed, distressed and troubled.

What they need is a caring soul, a helping hand, a gentle voice, and words of hope and encouragement. To dispense these, MPs need good interpersonal skills and a high EQ. Arrogance, a patronizing, chiding and belittling attitude, aloofness and lack of empathy will only trigger acts of rashness and violence.

Many of our politicians have a high IQ, some are scholars. However, a high IQ is not the only attribute needed in a political career. A high EQ is equally, if not more critical, especially when it comes to dealing with the constituents.

In my case, I would have felt good if my MP could have been a warm and caring person. If he could have been empathetic, consoling and helpful. All these qualities can only come from the heart, not from the mind.

How many of our MPs can stand up and be counted for this?

The family hated the MP they approached for help after their son died not from a smoke grenade, but by being crushed by a ship (even more painful). But after some attempt, they got then fake Rear-Admiral Lui to ensure their second son was exempt from PES A/B service and he served only as a clerk.

Why can't PTE Lee and you people be like Daryl Loh father and mother?
 

frenchbriefs

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these sinkies was balless,if this was any other country especially if ang moh,if somebody spoke to you like that after the death of your child,u would immediately jump up and grab him by the collar and wing chun punch his face into pulp regardless of elite or not.

these bloody so called "elites" need to be taught a proper lesson,just because they think singapore is the safest and most pacifist and humji country they can get away with just about everything,if this was USA,the father of the grieving would have waited until the end of the day with two black guys,wait for the guy to exit the building and head for his car in the carpark,then ambush him and beat his head to a pulp with a baseball bat and a crowball till blood spurt out of the back of his head over the windshield and he ends up in a 7 year coma.
 

steffychun

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these sinkies was balless,if this was any other country especially if ang moh,if somebody spoke to you like that after the death of your child,u would immediately jump up and grab him by the collar and wing chun punch his face into pulp regardless of elite or not.

these bloody so called "elites" need to be taught a proper lesson,just because they think singapore is the safest and most pacifist and humji country they can get away with just about everything,if this was USA,the father of the grieving would have waited until the end of the day with two black guys,wait for the guy to exit the building and head for his car in the carpark,then ambush him and beat his head to a pulp with a baseball bat and a crowball till blood spurt out of the back of his head over the windshield and he ends up in a 7 year coma.

Daryl Loh, his father, his brother are not ball-less.
 

Leongsam

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These parents are typical of dumb sinkies with warped logic and a total ignorance of probability theory.

If they had lost one son in a road accident would they then not allow their other son to ever set foot on the streets?
 

steffychun

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These parents are typical of dumb sinkies with warped logic and a total ignorance of probability theory.

If they had lost one son in a road accident would they then not allow their other son to ever set foot on the streets?


NS is compulsory. Walking or driving on the road is not. Besides, it was Lui TY would granted second son's exemption. Not the parents.
 

Leongsam

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NS is compulsory. Walking or driving on the road is not. Besides, it was Lui TY would granted second son's exemption. Not the parents.

How is one supposed to get from point A to B in Singapore without ever going near a road? :rolleyes:

I'm seriously thinking of implementing an IQ tests for members in order to improve the level of debate here.
 

PTADER

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These parents are typical of dumb sinkies with warped logic and a total ignorance of probability theory.

If they had lost one son in a road accident would they then not allow their other son to ever set foot on the streets?

Nothing to do with "dumb sinkies". It's about the survivability and continuation of the family line. The "probability theory" you refer to would also mean the chances of a family line continuing is much better because of the reduced risk from "high risk" occupation due to enforced conscription.

In the US, the US military has a sole survivor policy in place which they call "Special Separation Policies for Survivorship" which states:

http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blaw/dodd/corres/pdf/d131515_092688/d131515p.pdf

4. POLICY 4.1. Separation Eligibility 4.1.1. Enlisted members who become surviving sons or daughters after having enlisted or after having been inducted may apply for and promptly shall be discharged or separated except under the following circumstances:

4.1.1.1. When the member has court-martial charges pending against him or her, has been convicted by court-martial with appellate review in process, or is serving a sentence to confinement (or is otherwise undergoing punishment) imposed by court-martial.

4.1.1.2. When the member is being processed for involuntary administrative separation for cause.

4.1.2. Commissioned officers and warrant officers shall not be released from active duty because of their qualifying as surviving sons or daughters, unless they entered Service by induction under P. L. 92-129 (reference (b)). 4.1.3. The separation eligibility provisions in subparagraphs 4.1.1. and 4.1.2., above, shall not apply during a war or national emergency declared by the Congress.
 

Leongsam

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Nothing to do with "dumb sinkies". It's about the survivability and continuation of the family line. The "probability theory" you refer to would also mean the chances of a family line continuing is much better because of the reduced risk from "high risk" occupation due to enforced conscription.

In the US, the US military has a sole survivor policy in place which they call "Special Separation Policies for Survivorship" which states:

Why do you keep using US Military policies as examples?

All you're doing is proving my point.

I'm trying to prevent Singapore from ending up like the USA where the army has become a joke.
 

PTADER

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Why do you keep using US Military policies as examples?

All you're doing is proving my point.

I'm trying to prevent Singapore from ending up like the USA where the army has become a joke.

I am using the US simply because by any measure (even as I dislike the Americans), it is still ranked as the No.1 military force in the world. Hence, it makes for a good comparison and benchmark of sorts.
 

Leongsam

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I am using the US simply because by any measure (even as I dislike the Americans), it is still ranked as the No.1 military force in the world. Hence, it makes for a good comparison and benchmark of sorts.

It's number one because the USA has far superior technology. When it comes to training, political correctness and insane policies have made the US a joke.

Let's not wish the same upon Singapore because unlike the USA we do not have the technological prowess to attack the enemy from the safety of a remote bunker.

The SAF will have to put men on the ground in order to defend the nation. We cannot afford to have soldiers who are afraid of lightning and who keel over from smoke inhalation long before the first shot is even fired.
 

Sideswipe

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It's number one because the USA has far superior technology. When it comes to training, political correctness and insane policies have made the US a joke.

Let's not wish the same upon Singapore because unlike the USA we do not have the technological prowess to attack the enemy from the safety of a remote bunker.

The SAF will have to put men on the ground in order to defend the nation. We cannot afford to have soldiers who are afraid of lightning and who keel over from smoke inhalation long before the first shot is even fired.


Singapore is so small, it is indefensible from a military standpoint. we should stop deceiving ourselves and face up to that fact and reality.
 

jw5

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Think a movie was made on this principle ., remember 'Saving Pte Ryan' starring Tom Hanks?

Yeah, the squad sent to "save" Pte Ryan even lost a couple of men in the course of their mission to get him. And Pte Ryan lost all of his brothers (could be 3) in battle, not just one. :(
 

Raider

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Yeah, the squad sent to "save" Pte Ryan even lost a couple of men in the course of their mission to get him. And Pte Ryan lost all of his brothers (could be 3) in battle, not just one. :(

u watch too many movies. lol:biggrin:
 

winnipegjets

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It's number one because the USA has far superior technology. When it comes to training, political correctness and insane policies have made the US a joke.

Let's not wish the same upon Singapore because unlike the USA we do not have the technological prowess to attack the enemy from the safety of a remote bunker.

The SAF will have to put men on the ground in order to defend the nation. We cannot afford to have soldiers who are afraid of lightning and who keel over from smoke inhalation long before the first shot is even fired.

Please lah ...sinkapore is indefensible. We are wasting money and lives to pretend it is otherwise.
 
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