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3rd world to 1st.....then deterioration and breakdown

TopSage

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A few days ago, there was a report about 1 in 20 Singaporeans becoming millionaires in a few yrs. Shortly after that NUS researchers released a report on a growing number of working poor and rising poverty
in Singapore.

The Singapore story is an amazing one if you just look superficially at the economic
development. Within one generation, we have a per capita income higher than USA
and Germany. What did we do to get here?

What is important in human systems is usually not the amount of wealth you acquire in one generation
but sustainability. What have you traded off to acquire that wealth is even more important than the wealth itself because it will determine if you can sustain it. You can make more money by working 15 hours a day like some taxi drivers but the health risk is higher and very soon you're forced to stop. Similarly Singapore's meteoric economic rise has to be examine for tradeoffs to determine its sustainability:

1. Authoritarianism / lack of Democratic freedom. Basically to attract foreign investments, there was a need for discipline obedient populace, hence the PAP suppress the opposition, undermined fair elections, control newspapers, shutdown political activism to evolve a top.down system of bureaucracy.

2. Suppression of rights including worker's rights and human rights to tilt the balance in favor of capitalists and businesses. Of course the pap did not stop there they went further to allow the import of cheap labor to improve corporate profits.

3. Formation of large monopolistic GLCs and formulation of polices that favors these companies.

4. Imposing a regressive tax regime so that taxes on corporations are kept low while people are taxed on GST. Low progressive tax led to underspending in healthcare and elderly. Many Singaporeans cannot retire.

5. The economic growth is kept up in recent yrs by building casinos, property speculative bubble and growth of the money lending business( both legal and illegal) . The debt load now is one of the highest in Asia.

6. Nurturing of an elite privileged class through scholarship, opportunities, grooming ....previously it was merely to have some educated competent people in public service to run things. Now it is a class of privilege people
fed on entitlements.

Singapore is facing a dire outcome as the PAP run its system to an inevitable end with a society torn apart by deep inequality Morality and ethics eroded along wih rights and freedom, Doing what is pragmatic ad economically expedient rather than what is morally correct has a price, Making the elderly work until old age is morally wrong while economically beneficial but the tradeoff is when we see them we see ourselves iin 40 yrs time...so we will reject a system that put them in that state,

In a high inequality environment people will resent the privilege elites and be unforgiving for their errors. If workers are paid so little for the hard work they do, they expect those who are paid 50 times what they are paid to do their job. The frustration is high when they fail to fix problems be it transport of housing. Trust is gone.

PAP thinks it can keep this type of system going and it is a mistake to think so. From their narrow perspective and because they are at the apex enjoying the power and financial benefits, they will never understand the resentment on the ground, ..this system is seen as highly unjust and exploitative. All their schrmss CPF, COE, ERP are viewed negatively as extractive in nature to benefit the few from the struggle of the many.

History has shown their kind of system can succeed quickly and fail rapidly ....central pillars that hold up stable societies justice, equality,, democracy are all missing . We have a society held up by the the rotting foundation of elitism, capitalism, authoritarianism ...it will deteriorate or collapse.
 
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Leongsam

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I don't see rising poverty as an issue. It doesn't make any difference to the economy what percentage are poor as long as there are sufficient opportunities to strike it rich.
 

TopSage

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I don't see rising poverty as an issue. It doesn't make any difference to the economy what percentage are poor as long as there are sufficient opportunities to strike it rich.

True if we leave our the human and moral aspects
 

Leongsam

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True if we leave our the human and moral aspects

I don't see how morality comes into the picture when it comes to economics. The govt's job is to create an economy where opportunity abounds. It goes without saying that the lesser mortals may not have what it takes to succeed. However, you can't blame the government for that.

Morality is separate from economics. It is a personal value. Those who think it is morally wrong not to assist those in need are most welcome to lend support to the disadvantaged by doing charity work or identifying well deserving individuals who have fallen on hard times and offering direct assistance.
 

kopiuncle

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What's wrong with the moral and human aspects in Singapore?

Do we see monsters here ? Is the social fabric getting disintegrated?

We are still a very rich country with many rich people. Poverty is there but limited to less than 1%. And there are many avenues for assistance too.We are one great and wonderful country. Don't run us down. Be more constructive and be more contributory.

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the Singaporean spirit is very much alive! we are not morally decadent. we are not poor in human values and social responsibility.
we are all singaporeans! majulah singapura!!!
 

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bakkuttay

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What's wrong with the moral and human aspects in Singapore?

Do we see monsters here ? Is the social fabric getting disintegrated?

We are still a very rich country with many rich people. Poverty is there but limited to less than 1%. And there are many avenues for assistance too.We are one great and wonderful country. Don't run us down. Be more constructive and be more contributory.

01c0c615.jpg


the Singaporean spirit is very much alive! we are not morally decadent. we are not poor in human values and social responsibility.
we are all singaporeans! majulah singapura!!!

Hahaha, who is now spaming ALSO. iluvsingapura......
 

Agoraphobic

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Wish to throw in my two cents. I would consider Singapore a Newly Industrialized country, NOT a First World country. Why? Look at how workers are transported to their worksites - on the back of trucks and pickups. These are "goods" holding places for goods vehicles, not for passengers, which need to be transported on passenger buses. How do the insurance companies view this?Are passenger seated in the back of a pickup truck without proper safe seating and/or seatbelts even covered by insurance? And no one in the LTA even bothers to raise this subject. You people might wish to rate this First World status by wealth, fine, I rate it by how people are treated. You see humans as humans or economic units?

Cheers!
 

Jlokta

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Wish to throw in my two cents. I would consider Singapore a Newly Industrialized country, NOT a First World country. Why? Look at how workers are transported to their worksites - on the back of trucks and pickups. These are "goods" holding places for goods vehicles, not for passengers, which need to be transported on passenger buses. How do the insurance companies view this?Are passenger seated in the back of a pickup truck without proper safe seating and/or seatbelts even covered by insurance? And no one in the LTA even bothers to raise this subject. You people might wish to rate this First World status by wealth, fine, I rate it by how people are treated. You see humans as humans or economic units?

Cheers!

Singapore is not a country, but a business unit.

The main function is to generate money through any method necessary.
 

kopiuncle

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good article and good comments
I think we have moved away from the third world scenario
but sometimes you can still see some third world behavior - even in this forum
 

Agoraphobic

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Well, Singapore is really small. Geographically, and size-wise I'd agree it is not a country but a City-State. It is country only because it hold a seat in the UN. But apart from that, there are no mountains, real rivers, open plains, or rainforest where one can get lost. Money, bo pian. It is the means by how people in modern society lives. And because Singapore has no natural resources for raw materials, other ways to make money is needed, and only services can be made available. Personally, I feel that Singaporeans are somewhat overly obsessed by material wealth to the point that it is a measurement of success. Nothing wrong in that, just so long as one does not resort to dastardly ways to achieve that.

Cheers!


Singapore is not a country, but a business unit.

The main function is to generate money through any method necessary.
 

bryanlim1972

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morality is separate from Economics, but morality is reflected in the laws enacted by the government. and the government must be the moral voice of the people.

we can't blame the government for the failures of those who don't try, but what about those who do try but can't make the cut due to unfair (pick-your-gripe) policies?

i have worked with lower income group kids, and the level of parental neglect is appalling. these kids are going to be a major nuisance to the state in 10-20 years time if no one addresses their plight now.

no everyone is lucky enough to be born into a fully functional and supportive family. the economic hardships of being singaporean makes its even harder to maintain a functional and supportive family unit.

I don't see how morality comes into the picture when it comes to economics. The govt's job is to create an economy where opportunity abounds. It goes without saying that the lesser mortals may not have what it takes to succeed. However, you can't blame the government for that.

Morality is separate from economics. It is a personal value. Those who think it is morally wrong not to assist those in need are most welcome to lend support to the disadvantaged by doing charity work or identifying well deserving individuals who have fallen on hard times and offering direct assistance.
 
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