Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Elections?

[Zatoichi]

Let's say there are 100 seats being contested and PAP wins 45 seats, WP wins 20, SDP wins 20 and NSP wins 15.

And then, let's say President Tony Tan re-appoints Lee Hsien Loong (even though he'll be in his mid-60s by then) as Prime Minister because:

"in his judgment, is likely to command the confidence of the majority of the MPs"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Singapore#Appointment_of_Cabinet)

After that, "acting in accordance with the Prime Minister's advice", President Tony Tan "also appoints other Ministers to the Cabinet from among the MPs".

My point is, if PM Lee Hsien Loong "advises" President Tony Tan to appoint Ministers to the Cabinet from among the PAP MPs only, is the President allowed to do that by the so-called "Constitution"?

If the answer is yes, then it seems that there's no hope for any opposition party to ever gain control of the government simply because of inability/impossibility to gain control of the Cabinet, right?

Of course, if let's say the WP or SDP ever ends up winning more than half of the parliamentary seats, then it's possible for the Cabinet to consist of not even one PAP MP... but that seems highly unlikely, doesn't it?

 

[political slam dunk]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Election

Let's say there are 100 seats being contested and PAP wins 45 seats, WP wins 20, SDP wins 20 and NSP wins 15.

It does not work like this.

You gave wrongly unmatched thread title & case scenario in the 1st place.

Currently parliament is 87 seats, so half =43.5 seats. So there is either 44 seats or 43 seats. 44 seats is majority and can form govt and become ruling party. The ruling party decides the PM that leads the govt they form. President can only sign the paper and swear them in weather he like it or not.

It would be HANG Parliament when no party hold majority, and needs combination of more then 1 party to form join govt, and then the scenario exist that more than one combination can form govt. It happens in other countries several times before. That is more interesting.

If say the vote counted as 22% 21% 20% 17% 10% it needs 3 parties to combine and there are several possible combination:

22%+21%+20%=63%
22%+21%+17%=60%
22%+21%+10%=53%
21%+20%+17%=58%

There are also some 4 parties combination including 21%+20%+17%+10%=68%

Say the 22% was PAP, there are then 2 combination (58% & 68%) that can play out the PAP's 22%

There will be a lot of negotiations and attempts and plays of power that the small portions have bargaining power to be king-maker so called.

 

[scroobal]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Though the wordings give the impression that the President has the power,convention provides that the leader of the majority elects his cabinet and very much left to him to do so. Its very similar across the westminster model. President continues to be the ceremonial head.

It also makes for makes for a cohesive cabinet will perform better and the check and balances remains in Parliament where oppositon generally take that role.

A coalition cabinet occurs when no party holds more than 50% of the seats. This is to avoid a vote of no confidence taking place in the first seating of parliament.

Anyway we are long long way from this as the Singaporeans will not give up on PAP until one other party is able to show that it has MPs capable of running a competent government.

The trend to support more opposition MPs is due to the reason that the PAP is selecting poor performers and it has nothing to do with poor salary. Good people do not want to be associated with arrogance, greed and the lack of transparency. They clean their act and chances are they might recover their seats.

Let's say there are 100 seats being contested and PAP wins 45 seats, WP wins 20, SDP wins 20 and NSP wins 15.

And then, let's say President Tony Tan re-appoints Lee Hsien Loong (even though he'll be in his mid-60s by then) as Prime Minister because:

"in his judgment, is likely to command the confidence of the majority of the MPs"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Singapore#Appointment_of_Cabinet)

After that, "acting in accordance with the Prime Minister's advice", President Tony Tan "also appoints other Ministers to the Cabinet from among the MPs".

My point is, if PM Lee Hsien Loong "advises" President Tony Tan to appoint Ministers to the Cabinet from among the PAP MPs only, is the President allowed to do that by the so-called "Constitution"?

If the answer is yes, then it seems that there's no hope for any opposition party to ever gain control of the government simply because of inability/impossibility to gain control of the Cabinet, right?

Of course, if let's say the WP or SDP ever ends up winning more than half of the parliamentary seats, then it's possible for the Cabinet to consist of not even one PAP MP... but that seems highly unlikely, doesn't it?

 

[moolightaffairs]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Let's say there are 100 seats being contested and PAP wins 45 seats, WP wins 20, SDP wins 20 and NSP wins 15.

And then, let's say President Tony Tan re-appoints Lee Hsien Loong (even though he'll be in his mid-60s by then) as Prime Minister because:

"in his judgment, is likely to command the confidence of the majority of the MPs"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Singapore#Appointment_of_Cabinet)

After that, "acting in accordance with the Prime Minister's advice", President Tony Tan "also appoints other Ministers to the Cabinet from among the MPs".

My point is, if PM Lee Hsien Loong "advises" President Tony Tan to appoint Ministers to the Cabinet from among the PAP MPs only, is the President allowed to do that by the so-called "Constitution"?

If the answer is yes, then it seems that there's no hope for any opposition party to ever gain control of the government simply because of inability/impossibility to gain control of the Cabinet, right?

Of course, if let's say the WP or SDP ever ends up winning more than half of the parliamentary seats, then it's possible for the Cabinet to consist of not even one PAP MP... but that seems highly unlikely, doesn't it?

operation cold store one more time...

 

[Zatoichi]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

...needs combination of more then 1 party to form join govt

A coalition cabinet occurs when no party holds more than 50% of the seats. This is to avoid a vote of no confidence taking place in the first seating of parliament.

I see... thanks for answering my question!

operation cold store one more time...

I think that's only possible if there are only a few people to arrest, such as less than a hundred protesters.

But if there are mass protests and demonstrations, and even PROLONGED strikes from WORK, all over Singapore by at least a few thousand or even TENS of THOUSANDS of FURIOUS Singaporeans, I doubt the PAP will even be able to get the Army to intervene, not to mention that there are not enough prison cells in Singapore to accommodate so many protesters.

Besides, the PAP government certainly would not want to risk such a rebellion by its own citizens, especially after so many decades of "nation-building" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ofjSBGmOcY), as Lee Kuan Yew used to say, that the PAP has been using to show off to rich/powerful foreigners (especially Westerners) to attract them to invest billions of dollars in Singapore.

In the 1960s, the PAP had relatively little to lose compared to now.
But if the PAP were to use violence against tens/hundreds of thousands of its own citizens again when Singapore has already advanced well into the 21 century and become a "first-world" country, the PAP would have a lot to lose, and not just money!

There would be utter chaos, and there's even a chance Singapore might return to its real roots, i.e. an old-fashioned simple fishing/farming kampong with a population of way below one million, or even a hundred thousand! haha

100,000 Singaporeans would not be 1950s/60s kampong-levels, but pre-Raffles/19thCentury levels!


And I can't help pointing out that contrary to popular belief and/or government-brainwashing, Singapore DOES have natural resources!
It just doesn't have enough for 3 million Singaporeans, let alone for another 2 million people from all over the world!

As can be seen from this list on wikipedia:

List of countries by real population density (based on food growing capacity)
http://tinyurI.com/9ucdxg

Singapore's REAL population density is simply too ridiculously high, WAY ABOVE the 2nd-placed Hong Kong, and both of them are just INCREDIBLY well above any other country in the world!

So, since most countries have a real population density of way below 10,000 per km² of ARABLE land, and Singapore has only 10 km² of ARABLE land, I think a hundred thousand people should be the maximum number of people allowed to inhabit this small island, which has less than 1% of New Zealand's area, but a higher population!?


Anyway, I understand that it's difficult to solve Singapore's overpopulation problem, and there may even be no pragmatic solution, so I'm not blaming the PAP for this problem.

I'm just pointing out the problem, i.e. if Singapore is to maintain (or even increase!) its ridiculously high REAL population density, Singaporeans have no other choice than to maintain its high wealth status among all the countries in the world, which is based on its high GDP (PPP) per capita (http://tinyurI.com/d5n87).

If they don't want to care about Singapore's GDP per capita anymore, they would have to prepare for some unpleasant consequences, to say the least...

I'm not saying that all Singaporeans should just blindly obey the PAP and devote their whole lives to maintaining Singapore's high GDP per capita, but unfortunately for us, the other alternative contains consequences that may be too unpleasant for most Singaporeans to bear...

I'm aware of those consequences and am able and prepared to deal with them, but I doubt most Singaporeans are...


By the way, although I'm anti-PAP, I don't support any other opposition party simply because I haven't come across any that I like a lot! haha
So I'm neither pro-Opposition nor pro-PAP; I'm just another unknown Singaporean political observer, with no hope for Singapore or the rest of the world, and waiting for my life to reach its end! haha


I think the following nursery rhyme best sums up my personal outlook for Singapore and the whole world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty

"Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again."

Maybe even God can't save Singapore and the world....
Or if He can, it seems that he "can't" mainly because most people don't seem to desire "salvation" and to want to "rest in peace" in "Heaven"; they just want to enjoy life and remain young and never die!

Okay, I think I'd better stop now, before I end up talking about my religious beliefs! haha

 

[Alladin]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Of course, if let's say the WP or SDP ever ends up winning more than half of the parliamentary seats, then it's possible for the Cabinet to consist of not even one PAP MP... but that seems highly unlikely, doesn't it?

No need any 1 opposition party to win more than half the parliamentary seats. Under the westminster model of parliamentary democracy, a coalition of parties with more than 50% of the seats can form the gahmen. So you can have pap winning 49% of the seats and all all other opposition parties winning less than the pap, eg WP 27%, SDP 15%, NSP 8% and SPP 1%. The 4 opposition parties can form a coalition with 51% of the seats and form the next gahmen, and pap become the new opposition. It can also be a scenario of pap forming a coalition with one of the oppo parties eg. WP, to form the gahmen (as mentioned by Pritam previously) with 76% seats, and SDP, NSP, SPP with total 24% seats remain as oppo.
The challenge with coalitions is usually whether they are able to present a united plan for the advancement of the nation, or will each coalition partner make use of their position to extract maximum pound of flesh for the minority interests that they represent. History in nearly all countries with coalition gahmens show the latter to be true, leading to the tyranny of the minority, or collapse of the coalition and hence gahmen change again. Of course, we can always hope that sinkie oppo parties will behave differently.

 

[Char_Azn]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Of course, we can always hope that sinkie oppo parties will behave differently.

They can't even agree with one another when they haven't even gotten elected. U say leh. For an even better example, look at MY's Pakatan Rakyat. They cant seem to go 2 weeks without quarreling or contradicting one another

Seriously if PAP was kicked out in 2016, it's time to migrate. The opposition in its current form is unable to take over the government. When the top pple of the current crop consist of nutjob Chee, Sniper Goh, Silent Low and Bumbling Poa. We really need to worry if they take over. The only 2 from the last election which most agreed is of ministerial caliber, CSM whom everyone is still waiting to light up the Parliament and TJS who have proven to be nothing more then an opportunist, It's safe to say the opposition is not ready.

The current corp of young blood joining the opposition in 2011 seems promising but it will take a long time before they are ready to take over, that's assuming they do not continue the unwanted tradition of opposition bickering. Many are still in their 20s or early 30s. Still need a lot of experience in life before they are ready to run the country. My prediction, sometime in 2030 before they are ready to fully kick out PAP.

 

[brocoli]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

They can't even agree with one another when they haven't even gotten elected. U say leh. For an even better example, look at MY's Pakatan Rakyat. They cant seem to go 2 weeks without quarreling or contradicting one another

Seriously if PAP was kicked out in 2016, it's time to migrate. The opposition in its current form is unable to take over the government. When the top pple of the current crop consist of nutjob Chee, Sniper Goh, Silent Low and Bumbling Poa. We really need to worry if they take over. The only 2 from the last election which most agreed is of ministerial caliber, CSM whom everyone is still waiting to light up the Parliament and TJS who have proven to be nothing more then an opportunist, It's safe to say the opposition is not ready.

The current corp of young blood joining the opposition in 2011 seems promising but it will take a long time before they are ready to take over, that's assuming they do not continue the unwanted tradition of opposition bickering. Many are still in their 20s or early 30s. Still need a lot of experience in life before they are ready to run the country. My prediction, sometime in 2030 before they are ready to fully kick out PAP.

That is why i say many times, we cannot have an alliance, but a 2 party system.....

 

[po2wq]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi ...

wen dat happens ...

property prices wil fall ... there wil b no mor jobs ... ft's wil all balek kampung ... in turn, sinkies wil bcum ft's ... sinkie men wil bcum wash big biscuit ft's ... sinkie women wil bcum ft maids ...

scary, hor! ...

 

[Nice-Gook]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Let's say there are 100 seats being contested and PAP wins 45 seats, WP wins 20, SDP wins 20 and NSP wins 15.

And then, let's say President Tony Tan re-appoints Lee Hsien Loong (even though he'll be in his mid-60s by then) as Prime Minister because:

An excellent thread I must say.

I am talking about the possibility that PAP wins the most seats but not enough to form the majority .

This is a real possibility

Hence,there is only 2 possibility.Either the PAP forms a coalition with either WP or SDP or .NSP or WP,SDP and NSP forms a coalition.In both circumstances,both coalitions must show to the president that they have a majority in the parliament to form the next government.

But you got the rest of protocol wrong.Because---

1.The party who commands majority MP votes is invited to form the government by the president.
2.The president does not control who becomes the PM or ministers.

Now,if we assume that PAP had formed a coalition with WP.Than it's a simple negotiation between PAP and WP as to who is to be the PM and who are their ministers.Naturally ,PAP having the highest numbers of MP will gun for the post of PM and other key ministers such as home affairs and finance.In any coalition home affairs is a critical portfolio.Of course WP must also be satisfied by PAP and some ministries such as sports and less important ministries would be allotted to them.

Suppose,if the WP,SDP and NSP forms a coalition than same applies.The only problem is that each will be quarreling among themselves for the important ministerial portfolios.

My point is, if PM Lee Hsien Loong "advises" President Tony Tan to appoint Ministers to the Cabinet from among the PAP MPs only, is the President allowed to do that by the so-called "Constitution"?

If the answer is yes, then it seems that there's no hope for any opposition party to ever gain control of the government simply because of inability/impossibility to gain control of the Cabinet, right?

Now,as explained the president does not advise the PM on ministerial appointments.It is the other way around that it's the PM that that advices the president about who is to be appointed as ministers.

If your question is---what if PAP appoints only their MP as ministers?Than it depends on the negotiation with PAP coalition partner or partners.....Suppose if WP is PAP coalition partners and if WP do no bargain for any of it's MP to be ministers.But agree to support PAP from outside than it's ok for PAP to have all the ministerial porfolios.But usually such scenarios is highly unlikely.....Because under such circumstances even NSP can form the government if SDP and WP agrees to support the government without a coalition.

In short,any party can form the government if it can prove to the president that it enjoys the majority of MP votes in the parliament.

Now,why is this important?

Because even if there is a coalition and like husband and wife they quarrel....all a coalition partner has to do is to move a no-confidence motion in the parliament and if the majority of MPs vote against the government than it closes shop.

But politics being politics,things can turn nasty too.

Suppose if PAP and WP forms a coalition with ministers from both their parties and both quarrel....and if WP moves a no confidence motion in the parliament...But if PAP can get the votes of SDP or NSP or both their votes than the motion is defeated and PAP stays in power.

The gist is the the majority of MPs decide the fate of the government.And that is why parties have their whips so that their MPs follows their party instructions and not vote suka suka.

Hope that helps.

 

[zhihau]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Let's say there are 100 seats being contested and PAP wins 45 seats, WP wins 20, SDP wins 20 and NSP wins 15.

then we have truly arrived at ESM Goh's vision of a Swiss Standard of Living with a Swiss Standard of Coalition Government

 

[Alladin]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

They can't even agree with one another when they haven't even gotten elected. U say leh. For an even better example, look at MY's Pakatan Rakyat. They cant seem to go 2 weeks without quarreling or contradicting one another

Seriously if PAP was kicked out in 2016, it's time to migrate. The opposition in its current form is unable to take over the government. When the top pple of the current crop consist of nutjob Chee, Sniper Goh, Silent Low and Bumbling Poa. We really need to worry if they take over. The only 2 from the last election which most agreed is of ministerial caliber, CSM whom everyone is still waiting to light up the Parliament and TJS who have proven to be nothing more then an opportunist, It's safe to say the opposition is not ready.

The current corp of young blood joining the opposition in 2011 seems promising but it will take a long time before they are ready to take over, that's assuming they do not continue the unwanted tradition of opposition bickering. Many are still in their 20s or early 30s. Still need a lot of experience in life before they are ready to run the country. My prediction, sometime in 2030 before they are ready to fully kick out PAP.

In MY case, Barisan Nasional is the other extreme of coalition, where one partner (UMNO) is so overwhelmingly superior that the rest of the coalition (MCA, MIC, Gerakan etc etc. total 13 partners) are there just to pay lip service to UMNO and neglecting the interests of those they represent.

CSM on paper quite impressive, and is still being considered as he haven't shot himself in the foot yet. One of those silence is golden chap. TJS i doubt can use the term "most agreed". Even achievements on paper is screwed, and his actual performance is worse.

 

[captainxerox]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

So you can have pap winning 49% of the seats and all all other opposition parties winning less than the pap, eg WP 27%, SDP 15%, NSP 8% and SPP 1%. The 4 opposition parties can form a coalition with 51% of the seats and form the next gahmen, and pap become the new opposition. It can also be a scenario of pap forming a coalition with one of the oppo parties eg. WP, to form the gahmen (as mentioned by Pritam previously) with 76% seats, and SDP, NSP, SPP with total 24% seats remain as oppo.

yup, not necc the opposition would all band together. at least one party would leap at the chance to be part of the coalition govt. unlikely wp the main contender or sdp which is on its own with its liberal bent, but a party with smaller votes e.g. nsp or spp if it is still around by the next ge, so that the dominant party in the coalition can control, or think they can control. the greens-labour coalition in australia, where the greens are flexing and pulling at the leash. the carbon tax is one green driven initiative for the small guy in the coalition.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

The beauty of this thread is in exposing some of the misconception of the political naivety of Sinkies.

Many simply assume that any one political party must cross the 50% barrier in order to form the government.What if it's a 45% slim minority or majority occurs?That whether a 45% is actually a minority or a majority than becomes highly subjective.

This is a real assumption.And a real possibility.In fact when Pritam ,a WP MP,talked about forming a coalition with PAP in future ...it is this sort of scenario he was forseeing or envisaged.For the simple reason PAP cannot be expected to vanish into thin air,unless there is a revolution.And even if ONLY wins the hard core PAP voters votes ; PAP will still have no less than 30 MPs out of 100 in the parliament.

The rest of the majority of the MPs will be divided among the 3 major opposition parties who contested the election.And by default,since all opposition parties wants to avoid a 3 corner fight; they would be sharing the constituencies equitably....By sheer weight of this alone it ensures that no opposition party will garner the majority in the parliament to govern on it's own.

Unless say WP or SDP contest all seats and hope for the best in a 3 corner fights all over Singapore.

Hence the locus standing of our opposition parties under such circumstances is highly welcomed for our voting decision.For us to make that critical decision not based on our political alliance alone but which strange bedfellas our ideal party is going to sleep with.In that respect WP had made it clear that it is is pursuing and chasing PAP as it's suitor.

I only hope SDP ,NSP and others will also make themselves clear.So that voters would know that say voting for SDP is either an alliance with other opposition parties or voting for the very devil-PAP..

 

[HTOLAS]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

In the scenario below, the Westminster custom is for the head of state (in our case, the president) to give the leader of the party with most seats a chance to form the government, in this example, the PAP. There are at least three possible outcomes:

1. The PAPzis fail to form the government and the president looks to the next most likely leader.
2. The PAPzis form a coalition government with one of the other parties (no longer opposition, as such).
3. The PAPzis form a minority government after coming to an agreement with at least one of the opposition parties not to vote against them in the event of confidence votes.

The need to secure the assent of at least 50% of the seats arises from the fact that parliament can call a no-confidence motion against the government at any time and 50% +1 vote is what it takes to defeat the government.

If the PAPzis (in this example) choose to form a coalition, it is likely to have to offer cabinet positions to its coalition partners. These often turns out to be deputies of important positions, e.g. DPM, deputy defence minister, etc. Otherwise, the junior partner may take positions like Fisheries Minister and Mines Minister.

Readers might wonder why any opposition party would agree not to bring down the government without the promise of cabinet positions (Scenario 3). For one, it could be because such parties do not want to be too closely aligned to the PAPzis but want it not to fall. This is usually for selfish reasons, e.g. WP might agree not to vote against the PAPzis because it believes that while the PAPzis stay as government in a perpetual crisis mode, the WP can consolidate its base in preparation for the next GE better than the other opposition parties.

Let's say there are 100 seats being contested and PAP wins 45 seats, WP wins 20, SDP wins 20 and NSP wins 15.

And then, let's say President Tony Tan re-appoints Lee Hsien Loong (even though he'll be in his mid-60s by then) as Prime Minister because:

"in his judgment, is likely to command the confidence of the majority of the MPs"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Singapore#Appointment_of_Cabinet)

After that, "acting in accordance with the Prime Minister's advice", President Tony Tan "also appoints other Ministers to the Cabinet from among the MPs".

My point is, if PM Lee Hsien Loong "advises" President Tony Tan to appoint Ministers to the Cabinet from among the PAP MPs only, is the President allowed to do that by the so-called "Constitution"?

If the answer is yes, then it seems that there's no hope for any opposition party to ever gain

 

[Nice-Gook]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

In the scenario below, the Westminster custom .

There is another possibility.Presidential rule.

Where the parliament is suspended and executives are appointed by presidential degree.Usually the incumbent PM is appointed as the caretaker.It is last resort measure like martial rule.The main difference being under martial law the civil liberties of the populace is curtailed.

Hence presidential rule is a short term measure to bring order to chaos.But I am not sure whether our constitution provides for this.Perhaps a constitutional lawyer can enlighten.

I am simply highlighting not to buy PAP fear factor that all is lost that if we have a hung parliament.

 

[scroobal]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Bro, you are getting all excited and getting your nickers in a twist. What martial law? This is not the Philipines or Pakistan. TS raised a simple question about forming govt. Nobody is talking about revolution. What we need to do is have decent checks and balances, reduce the level of govt control over media and industry, create a culture of having ombudsmen and truly independent inquiries when something goes wrong. Can you get back to normal fquency.

There is another possibility.Presidential rule.Where the parliament is suspended and executives are appointed by presidential degree.Usually the incumbent PM is appointed as the caretaker.It is last resort measure like martial rule.The main difference being under martial law the civil liberties of the populace is curtailed.Hence presidential rule is a short term measure to bring order to chaos.But I am not sure whether our constitution provides for this.Perhaps a constitutional lawyer can enlighten.I am simply highlighting not to buy PAP fear factor that all is lost that if we have a hung parliament.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Bro, you are getting all excited and getting your nickers in a twist. What martial law? This is not the Philipines or Pakistan. TS raised a simple question about forming govt. Nobody is talking about revolution. What we need to do is have decent checks and balances, reduce the level of govt control over media and industry, create a culture of having ombudsmen and truly independent inquiries when something goes wrong. Can you get back to normal fquency.

You should check with Catherine Lim as to why she still chose to question PAP on their tanks rolling down our streets should there be a 'freak' election.And this thread is about that 'freak' election .

Anyway my gist is not that PAP will opt for martial rule.But other softer option such as presidential rule.Mention about martial rule came about simply because many folks here seems not too familiar with the options available to us.

 

[scroobal]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

Fair enough.

You should check with Catherine Lim as to why she still chose to question PAP on their tanks rolling down our streets should there be a 'freak' election.And this thread is about that 'freak' election .Anyway my gist is not that PAP will opt for martial rule.But other softer option such as presidential rule.Mention about martial rule came about simply because many folks here seems not too familiar with the options available to us.

 

[mojito]

Re: Just curious, what if PAP really wins less than half the seats at the next Electi

It's safe to say the opposition is not ready.

You have too little faith in the bureaucracy. You pay the top dogs [a faction of] a million per pax to ruminate over the means to implement directives of the parties forming the government. I hope to see the day PAP loses control of the government, and witness the new government mothball a few agencies that have long outlived its usefulness.