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The Battle Of Tampines

Goh Meng Seng

Alfrescian (InfP) [Comp]
Generous Asset
Yes, I know, I am supposed to write about the unsustainable policies of PAP. But the Straits Time's constituency report on Tampines is just too interesting to be missed.

I have made a comment on The Online Citizen Facebook with regards to Minister Mah's column on TodayOnline and it is as follows:

<blockquote><span style="font-style:italic;">Two years ago, before TOC went into the homeless issue and I banging on the unaffordability of HDB flats, many people think that HDB under MBT is great. When I first started the fire on HDB issue coupled with my minister-specific strategy aiming at MBT Tampines, many people say I am crazy. They reasoned that Tampines has the best flats which is appreciating, why would they want to vote for someone who tell them their flats are too high a price?

I am glad that after one and a half year of banging on housing issues with the help of New Media blogs and websites like TOC (and Temasek Review), we manage to change people's mind and get this very important point across. So much so that even hardcore PAP supporters have to admit that high HDB prices are a grave concern.

We have successfully completed half of the mission of political education, raising issue like Housing into hot topic. Now, according to ST, there are still 28 out of 30 who thinks MBT shouldn't be blamed for this HDB blunders. The other half of the mission is to convince voters that we must safeguard MERITOCRACY as our CORE VALUE by voting out those ministers who have screwed up.</span></blockquote>

I have written an article entitled <span style="font-weight:bold;">"Basis of Meritocracy: Competency and Accountability"<span style="font-style:italic;"></span></span> for the next issue of NSP North Star. This is to address the second part of the campaigning. I will put up this article in January 2011.

It is interesting to note from the ST report that "about half" in Tampines support PAP. To me, it actually means LESS THAN HALF supported PAP because if the figures are that great, it would have reported "MORE THAN HALF" supported PAP. This is in spite of the fact that 28 out of 30 don't "blame" Minister Mah.

It is also interesting to note the fact that the question of affordability of HDB flats is "no longer there": i.e. apparently, EVERYONE, including PAP supporters, has accepted that affordability of HDB FLATS IS AN ISSUE. This is a vast different from two years ago whereby people would pour scorn on me for raising high HDB prices as an issue.

The strange part is this: according to Mah Bow Tan's write up on Today, he is open to debate about HDB issues. I have requested a live debate with Miniister Mah but till now, no response from him just yet.

It is also interesting to note that Minister Mah has shifted his position subtly from his earlier assertion that "you could sell your flat for retirement" to "most probably you don't need to sell your flat and downgrade for retirement" because they have "savings, CPF" etc... BUT WAIT! With a 30 years mortgage payment to the max, how much money would an ordinary folk has in his CPF when he reach 60 years old? Well maybe the million dollar paid minister would have lots of other assets and savings, but for an ordinary folk, this is DEFINITELY NOT THE CASE!

The blatant truth is, with a HDB flat to be liable for a 30 years mortgage, Singaporeans would be FORCED to sell their flat and downgrade for their retirement financing!

It is quite surprising that after I have declared that Minister Mah's HDB policy is TOTALLY NOT SUSTAINABLE in the long run, he insisted that to remain "SUSTAINABLE" he needs to keep the present pricing policy! Scarcity of land is the reason he cited. But as I have mentioned before, this is NOT an issue when all LAND sold by the government comes with a 99 lease!

Minister Mah also claims that there is "hefty subsidies" for HDB flats. It is already a well known fact that HDB only gives "discounts" NOT ACTUAL SUBSIDIES to buyers. In fact, they overpriced the land which they have acquired DIRT CHEAP from Singaporeans. Then, they give discounts based on that price!

Contrary to what Minister Mah's assertion, pricing new HDB flats at COST WILL NOT COMPROMISE the BUDGET. This is basically because whatever revenue they gained via LAND SALES, go straight into the reserves, not the Budget revenue! Thus, by cutting down the price of the LAND sold to HDB will NOT compromise the BUDGET at all!

The Battle of Tampines is about the future of our children. It is also about defending our core values of Meritocracy, especially so when we are pay the HIGHEST SALARY in the world to our ministers.

Goh Meng Seng
 

Ilovelamb

Alfrescian
Loyal
The strange part is this: according to Mah Bow Tan's write up on Today, he is open to debate about HDB issues. I have requested a live debate with Miniister Mah but till now, no response from him just yet.


Goh Meng Seng

Because according to GMS, MBT is shitting in his pants when face to face with him :rolleyes:
 

BusNo64

Alfrescian
Loyal
yawn.........zzzzzzzz

u r fightin MBT in sammyboy forum and TOC facebook? :rolleyes:

u r really addicted to the internet dat u r totally divorce from the real world...:rolleyes::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:

complain abt HDB price who dunno how to do...the real issue is wat effort hav u put into canvassing support in tampines? :rolleyes::oIo:

now go back to surfing ur sggirls lah....:oIo:
 

BusNo64

Alfrescian
Loyal
Because according to GMS, MBT is shitting in his pants when face to face with him :rolleyes:

GMS onli know how to come here and haolian....he wanto hav live debate with mbt.....he is really deluding himself....did he chaeck out how horrically stupid he was in hte last appearance he made on TV CNA? and did he look at his own youtube video for nsp? WTF...when ppl here tell him how fuckup he was compared to Alvin Yeo, he always give excuse dat he is new lah...he has lots to learn...blah blah blah...now he wanto to debate MBT...LOL...he cannot even talk properly in front of MIW mp Alvin Yeo...he now wanto debate dis minister MBT?..... pls lah Goh Meng Seng...dont make a fool of urself lah....if Chee or Kenneth J say they wanto debate...at least we know they can debate....but Goh Meng Seng??!!!! LOL....fuckin cannot even debate properly in sammyboy forum, now wanto go on live TV to debate MBT...wat a fucktard!
 

Ilovelamb

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Loyal
GMS onli know how to come here and haolian....he wanto hav live debate with mbt.....he is really deluding himself....did he chaeck out how horrically stupid he was in hte last appearance he made on TV CNA? and did he look at his own youtube video for nsp? WTF...when ppl here tell him how fuckup he was compared to Alvin Yeo, he always give excuse dat he is new lah...he has lots to learn...blah blah blah...now he wanto to debate MBT...LOL...he cannot even talk properly in front of MIW mp Alvin Yeo...he now wanto debate dis minister MBT?..... pls lah Goh Meng Seng...dont make a fool of urself lah....if Chee or Kenneth J say they wanto debate...at least we know they can debate....but Goh Meng Seng??!!!! LOL....fuckin cannot even debate properly in sammyboy forum, now wanto go on live TV to debate MBT...wat a fucktard!
Do you mean this video where GMS make a fool of himself infront of millions viewer?

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cleareyes

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Loyal
GMS onli know how to come here and haolian....he wanto hav live debate with mbt.....he is really deluding himself....did he chaeck out how horrically stupid he was in hte last appearance he made on TV CNA? and did he look at his own youtube video for nsp? WTF...when ppl here tell him how fuckup he was compared to Alvin Yeo, he always give excuse dat he is new lah...he has lots to learn...blah blah blah...now he wanto to debate MBT...LOL...he cannot even talk properly in front of MIW mp Alvin Yeo...he now wanto debate dis minister MBT?..... pls lah Goh Meng Seng...dont make a fool of urself lah....if Chee or Kenneth J say they wanto debate...at least we know they can debate....but Goh Meng Seng??!!!! LOL....fuckin cannot even debate properly in sammyboy forum, now wanto go on live TV to debate MBT...wat a fucktard!

Dont say so much lah

Can you speak proper English as well?

GMS's fact he could not speak English as a lawyer or a teacher but we know that because we seen his videos. but when you spoeak to voters on the ground, is proper English a must? or understandable English, or a manner of communication that people on the ground, the voters can hear, understand and accept?

I can speak better than GMS anytime and he knows that. But I dont have his guts to get things done as what he is doing.

Do you have his level of guts? or you only have guts to type here?
 

Tiu Kwang Yew

Alfrescian
Loyal
dear Mr Goh,

Wish you well !

You have oredi had 35% hardcore supporters in Tampenis GRC and you just need to shift another 15.1% to win seats in the parliament.

The ground is definitely good for you to go !

I suggest you dont attack the Mapok Tan personally, contest gentlemanly at Tampenis !

Many voters at the tampenis dont wish to see you attack Mapok Tan becos they know HDB policy has failed badly !
If resale HDB COV is like COE, local buyers without cash are fucked ! This is a sad fact !

But many are sympathic to Ah Mah !

COV and COE are side effects of the unbridled FT policy !

Mr Goh, you have a big chance to win Tampenis GRC if you go in like gentleman putting out ideas to hammer the existing policies, you need not hatam the Mapok to win !

You must know Housing policies are not the only topic in tampenis GRC, so you cannot dwell too long on it !

You have to also educate and rehabilitate the mindset of Mapok supporters and ask these voters to give you chance to work with you !
You have to be humble in order to win votes !
it is better for you not to mention the minister name but the policies !

in other words, bring in an anti-virus to clean up the PAP virus in the mind of PAP supporters !

You only need an extra 15.1% to win !

Your object is to win votes not to bring down Mapok tan ! remember, Mapok tan is not the decision maker, he is just a scapegoat !

cheers, good luck to you !

may the force be with you !
 

cleareyes

Alfrescian
Loyal
dear Mr Goh,

Wish you well !

You have oredi had 35% hardcore supporters in Tampenis GRC and you just need to shift another 15.1% to win seats in the parliament.

The ground is definitely good for you to go !

I suggest you dont attack the Mapok Tan personally, contest gentlemanly at Tampenis !

Many voters at the tampenis dont wish to see you attack Mapok Tan becos they know HDB policy has failed badly !
If resale HDB COV is like COE, local buyers without cash are fucked ! This is a sad fact !

But many are sympathic to Ah Mah !

COV and COE are side effects of the unbridled FT policy !

Mr Goh, you have a big chance to win Tampenis GRC if you go in like gentleman putting out ideas to hammer the existing policies, you need not hatam the Mapok to win !

You must know Housing policies are not the only topic in tampenis GRC, so you cannot dwell too long on it !

You have to also educate and rehabilitate the mindset of Mapok supporters and ask these voters to give you chance to work with you !
You have to be humble in order to win votes !
it is better for you not to mention the minister name but the policies !

in other words, bring in an anti-virus to clean up the PAP virus in the mind of PAP supporters !

You only need an extra 15.1% to win !

Your object is to win votes not to bring down Mapok tan ! remember, Mapok tan is not the decision maker, he is just a scapegoat !

cheers, good luck to you !

may the force be with you !

I second your opinion and think that this is a good way forward.
 

silverfox@

Alfrescian
Loyal
Tampines has cycling roads done up. LUP done up. Shopping centres done up. Resale flat pricing is also not higher than other constituencies.

When you argue on HDB matters, it affects the whole of Sg, but only the residents of Tampines can vote. Although MBT failed to control the spiraling prices of HDB resale flats in whole of Singapore, but he did not fail to take care of the residents of Tampines.

Ultimately when it comes to the rally, the residents and the voters only want to know 1 simple thing, how is MBT going to take care of them further or how is GMS going to take care of them further.
 

BusNo64

Alfrescian
Loyal
Ultimately when it comes to the rally, the residents and the voters only want to know 1 simple thing, how is MBT going to take care of them further or how is GMS going to take care of them further.

goh meng seng oredi make it veri clear.... it is not his job to take care of the estate...he is interested onli to talk cock in parliament...:rolleyes:

so if tampines resident vote for him and the estate goes downhill...then he can turn around and say " i oredi told u taking care of the ward is not my prioirty"...then tampines voters can only lan lan...so even though tampines resident want to vote for oppo....will vote for oppo dat take care of our ward...not vote for someone like him who is damn lazy and borchap everyday only surf the internet and talk cok in sammyboy...:mad: dat why i call for other oppo to come to tampines.. we rather take our chance of a 3 corner fight then havin goh meng seng as our only oppo choice...:wink:
 

Tristan

Alfrescian
Loyal
In all honesty, GMS did not make a fool of himself on TV. He speaks like any layman should. But his credentials, personality and attitude leaves a lot to be desired. He is not someone anyone with half a brain would want to see in parliament representing the people. The Farker is arrogant, has no substance and is basically full of shit. Debate MBT? I don't think he can win a debate with a blade of grass. I mean, if he is MP calibre, I can be PM.
 

tampines

Alfrescian
Loyal
Tampines has cycling roads done up. LUP done up. Shopping centres done up. Resale flat pricing is also not higher than other constituencies.

When you argue on HDB matters, it affects the whole of Sg, but only the residents of Tampines can vote. Although MBT failed to control the spiraling prices of HDB resale flats in whole of Singapore, but he did not fail to take care of the residents of Tampines.

Ultimately when it comes to the rally, the residents and the voters only want to know 1 simple thing, how is MBT going to take care of them further or how is GMS going to take care of them further.

Meng Seng, what Battle of Tampines are you talking about???
I think Mah and his team will easily win 60% of the voters.

Instaed of going down to interact with the residents of Tampines and find out about their needs and concerns on a REGULAR BASIS, you are wasting your precious time here debating with netizens on the pros and cons of HDB policies. Most importantly, going by the ST report today, it seems that you have FAILED badly to secure the Malay ground in Tampines!! You MUST always remember that without the Malay support, you will NEVER ever win an election, especially in Tampines. As a leader of NSP, you should make an effort to learn and speak Malay, for God''s sake!

IF you think that Malay support is not important, then I suggest you contest in constituencies like Potong Pasir and Hougang or even Bishan-Toa Payoh because these places have very few Malay voters.
 

kingrant

Alfrescian
Loyal
When you say Opp parties dont do anything, do you know it is because they do not have the keys to the govt chest of funds to spend on you?

You want them to take out their own pocket money or party funds for what is essentially public sservices?

Did MBT take out his own money, or did the PAP give it to him, to splurge on thse public amenities?

To this day, pathetic idiots like you still harp about what the Opps have not done. You are such a blurfuck that you dont even know the PAP has been using yr own money to shut yr mouths all these time?

Tampines has cycling roads done up. LUP done up. Shopping centres done up. Resale flat pricing is also not higher than other constituencies.

When you argue on HDB matters, it affects the whole of Sg, but only the residents of Tampines can vote. Although MBT failed to control the spiraling prices of HDB resale flats in whole of Singapore, but he did not fail to take care of the residents of Tampines.

Ultimately when it comes to the rally, the residents and the voters only want to know 1 simple thing, how is MBT going to take care of them further or how is GMS going to take care of them further.
 

exSINgaporean

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Loyal
tampines: I agree with you.

GMS is just wasting his time....his spoken English is "fuck up" and thus tries to score points in writing in the website, which only reaches less than 500 reader.

I doubt he can speak any decent Malays.

Mah and his team will walk over him.

Personally as a middle age man of 55 and my son is now age 14 1/2 and is going to N.S. (lucky of course I am a ex-Singaporean) and if I am a Singaporean i would not trust GMS type of politician.

What organizational skills has he got......has he proven successful to run a 100 manpower strong org.? It is easy to talk cock but when come to national policies an inexperience poltician can screw up big time.

Also GMS's look does not give me confidence. He is more like a blur king in the Hokkien platoon in the army, period.

I foresee that he will lose big time, then live with his parents and his Hong Kong wife divorce him bec. how long can a decnet woman stick with a confirm LOSER.
 

GoldenDragon

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
MBT and his team will walk over the team led by GMS. If GMS achieves 30% or more, it would be a great achievement. The Bishan-Toa Payoh and Aljunied GRCs will be close and worthwhile monitoring unlike GMS's Tampines.
 

ivebert

Alfrescian
Loyal
tampines: I agree with you.

GMS is just wasting his time....his spoken English is "fuck up" and thus tries to score points in writing in the website, which only reaches less than 500 reader.

I doubt he can speak any decent Malays.

Mah and his team will walk over him.

Personally as a middle age man of 55 and my son is now age 14 1/2 and is going to N.S. (lucky of course I am a ex-Singaporean) and if I am a Singaporean i would not trust GMS type of politician.

What organizational skills has he got......has he proven successful to run a 100 manpower strong org.? It is easy to talk cock but when come to national policies an inexperience poltician can screw up big time.

Also GMS's look does not give me confidence. He is more like a blur king in the Hokkien platoon in the army, period.

I foresee that he will lose big time, then live with his parents and his Hong Kong wife divorce him bec. how long can a decnet woman stick with a confirm LOSER.


GMS is a fucking idiot to believe that by writing an article, he is going to influence anyone

You need to be on TV and newspaper.

He can't get on TV because his spoken english is worse than a secondary school student

I wonder how come NUS admitted this fucker
 

tanwahtiu

Alfrescian
Loyal
tampines: I agree with you.

GMS is just wasting his time....his spoken English is "fuck up" and thus tries to score points in writing in the website, which only reaches less than 500 reader.

I doubt he can speak any decent Malays.

Mah and his team will walk over him.

Personally as a middle age man of 55 and my son is now age 14 1/2 and is going to N.S. (lucky of course I am a ex-Singaporean) and if I am a Singaporean i would not trust GMS type of politician.

What organizational skills has he got......has he proven successful to run a 100 manpower strong org.? It is easy to talk cock but when come to national policies an inexperience poltician can screw up big time.

Also GMS's look does not give me confidence. He is more like a blur king in the Hokkien platoon in the army, period.

I foresee that he will lose big time, then live with his parents and his Hong Kong wife divorce him bec. how long can a decnet woman stick with a confirm LOSER.

LKY was only a lawyer by trade in his career days, so does he has any organisational skills or run 100 manpower strong org to join politic? As alwyer all he does is either put you to jail, or save you from going to jail (even if U are crimminal).

Perhaps what experiences GMS have is 'ground work' which he goes round his nominated ward and talk to his voters and people can see him working hard and is there to be voted into parliment if people want to see a change in politcal landscape. Not like some parties that advertised they have top notch people to be your MP. But this top notches are not seen doing ground work but are busy making money for foreign company in Singapore b4 elected through back door GRC system.


There is no apple to apple comparison except as long as you want to join politics you are an amature learning as you go. You have children, does that mean you must have 15 years of parenting before you can become a parent? No, you become a parent when you have your 1st child and learn as you go.


Btw, perhaps the timing is right this time to increase more real Oppos in the next election. You have an unpopular 85 y.o Old fart still believe he is God and God never retires. But people are tried of seeing same God all the time. There is a saying 'jiak lau hor lan hoon' that is the older you are the more annoying you are to the young people, especially if you still want to 'control' their life. Next you have an incompetent PM who needs a mentor and SM and paid them millions of $$$ to talk cock sing song on his behalf, and his many deputies PMs doing the same talk cock sing song too. So you see, by removing these incompetent people you save millions $$$ of taxpayers monies by removing unwarranted layers surrounding one PM.
 
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Dreamer1

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Loyal
Dear Mr Goh,

Although I think u are totally useless,your mentality is exactly like MM LKY minus the brian,the high IQ

I do hope u win,but you will not last!
 
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