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Forums with low traffic die out. Forums with trash never die out. There's a difference between low traffic and trash.

Let me illustrate:

Squabble -> trash posting (spam, pics of assholes etc) -> messy forum -> disinterested readers -> lower traffic -> death


In fact, many forums with low traffic were the most decent and courteous. Ironically it was because of its small numbers that people had no spat opponents.

I don't know which sites you've been surfing. But the decent and courteous forums are all moderated. There is no such thing as self regulation. Given a free hand, man will muck things up for himself and others. Look at the sub prime crisis. Look at India and philipines.

So I'd say it's the opposite - trashing is a sign of growth, not death.

Trashing is not growth. And growth is not trashing. Full stop.
 

silverfox@

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Forums with low traffic die out. Forums with trash never die out. There's a difference between low traffic and trash.

In fact, many forums with low traffic were the most decent and courteous. Ironically it was because of its small numbers that people had no spat opponents. So I'd say it's the opposite - trashing is a sign of growth, not death.

Actually should be Forums with low traffic will die out
Forums with trash will die out slowly. :p
 

Glaringly

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Forums with low traffic die out. Forums with trash never die out. There's a difference between low traffic and trash.

In fact, many forums with low traffic were the most decent and courteous. Ironically it was because of its small numbers that people had no spat opponents. So I'd say it's the opposite - trashing is a sign of growth, not death.

I would rather say, forum whose paymaster has deeper pockets die out slower. While forum whose host are doing a charitable cause, which Sam claims he is won't die as long as he is alive. :biggrin:
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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A large part depends on the forum administrator.

If this forum dies, it means Leongsam has failed. He has only himself to blame.

This thread is truly entertaining. Didn't realize there were so many old birds here.

Well done, guys!


There's no such thing as "death" of a forum. There will always been nicks hanging around any forum. The guys here think that any spat means the forum is dead.
 

Thick Face Black Heart

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I have seen forums whither and die out due to low traffic. And it's never pretty. Squabbles can lead to a forum's downfall. That's why antisocial pests like Leetahbar and Tonychat must be isolated.

Add TeeKee and Robox to the list. They're major pests who drive traffic away.
 

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  1. Local press start carrying articles that first appeared in SBF
  2. The press begins crediting SBF for the scoop
  3. SPH interviews Sam but upsets Sam with final report
  4. Eric Ellis does his article with Sam traced to a car dealership in Auckland

can some old birds here please elaborate on the above points? which year was this? what ST stories came out of here?

And a reporter actually wanted to track down Samleong?? interesting...
 

Leongsam

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can some old birds here please elaborate on the above points? which year was this? what ST stories came out of here?

And a reporter actually wanted to track down Samleong?? interesting...

Learn to Google : :rolleyes:

http://www.time.com/time/asia/asiabuzz/2001/01/16/

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Yes, Sammyboy is a porn site, aimed very directly at the country which arguably least tolerates porn: Singapore. Which is all very well except Official Singapore has yet to close it down. The site has been up and down, so to speak, several times over the past week, and on each occasion it was the site's webmaster, a Samuel Leong, who made the call to shut his own site down. Not the authorities.
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</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!--======================--><!--/TIME MORE STORIES BOX--><!--======================--> [FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] What's happening here? Has the nanny state loosened up and is now tolerating porn? Can that be happening? As with many things in Singapore, not everything is as it seems.

Leong (if that's his real name) says he's not running a porn site. Instead he's running a community service. Sex, he says, is a bodily function that all of us at some point do, and all he's simply doing is bringing it out into the open.

I've had a close look at Sammyboy -- there, I admit it -- and I have decided that it is in fact a porn site. But one with qualifications. Where Sammyboy starts being a porn site -- and thus inviting the wrath of authorities -- is where it links to very serious porn sites, the ones that you sometimes click into by accident and then spend 10 frustrating minutes trying to close down all the recurring browsers. If Sammyboy didn't carry those links, then Leong's argument might stack up a bit more firmly.

Beyond that, Sammyboy is morphing into a kind of samizdat outlet where Singaporeans vent and satirize life in the city-state. That's another no-go area, where the government's patience has traditionally been pretty short. But if you hold your breath and dive in, the site can be pretty funny, and sometimes illuminating. There's links to information about bad Singapore Inc. investments that don't get talked about too much, a "conservative Asian values forum," and a pretty funny cartoon that speaks to the national ideology of making money.

Another taste of Sammy's sense of humor comes when you log on. A window appears warning "all SPH journalists to keep out. You are not welcome." SPH is Singapore's print media near-monopoly, the publisher of the pro-government Straits Times and New Paper. The latter, for your information, has been running a campaign to shut Sammy down. But it's a funny kind of campaign. The New Paper wrote a scolding article about the site, which simply served to lift Sammyboy's profile among the Singaporeans it warned not to surf there.

Sammy himself is a bit of a mystery. The site is hosted in California but registered to a Samuel Leong, which is kind of a Singapore Everyman name, in Auckland, New Zealand. I called the number on the registration site and spoke to a Morgan Yeo, who happened to be Singaporean but claimed to know nothing of Sammyboy, or Samuel Leong. "I just run a used car yard here," he pleaded.

So, what are authorities doing about it? So far, not much, but it's still early days. The Singapore Broadcasting Authority which regulates these things told the New Paper that "the Samuel Leong website is but one of countless number of pornographic sites on the Internet. "Given the borderless nature of the Internet and the vast number of undesirable sites on the Net, there is a limit of what legislation can do," said a spokesman.

Sites like Sammyboy test control regimes like Singapore. It's impossible to condone porn but where does it stop being porn and start being a content site. And what does it look like when the government mantra is to open up, become a media center, and then bans sites that claim not to strictly fall into the porn category?

My tip is that Singapore will jump on Sammyboy. And if Sammyboy -- or Leong -- was smart, and really wanted to make some money from advertisers, he'd take down the hardcore links and emphasis the user-guide aspect. And then he and the Singapore authorities could be talking the same language -- trying to help procreation.
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Maximilian Chua-Heng

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hao lian! :rolleyes:

Learn to Google : :rolleyes:

http://www.time.com/time/asia/asiabuzz/2001/01/16/

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] January 16, 2001
Web posted at 5:30 p.m. Hong Kong time, 4:30 a.m. EDT

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[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] Sammyboy.com is not a website you'd want your 11-year-old surfing into unsupervised. It's deep and content-rich, it's alluring, and, in the main, quite well-written. In places it is also funny. That's the glass half-full way of looking at it. The half-empty way is that it's lewd, crass and offensive. And that there's nothing funny about pornography.

Yes, Sammyboy is a porn site, aimed very directly at the country which arguably least tolerates porn: Singapore. Which is all very well except Official Singapore has yet to close it down. The site has been up and down, so to speak, several times over the past week, and on each occasion it was the site's webmaster, a Samuel Leong, who made the call to shut his own site down. Not the authorities.
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Will Colin Powell have the answers to America's problems?
[FONT=helvetica,arial,sans-serif] - Monday, January 15, 2001
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Culture on Demand: The Goss on Gucci
Pass the dog bones, please
[FONT=helvetica,arial,sans-serif] - Saturday, January 13, 2001
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The "Japan way" has failed. It's time to act
[FONT=helvetica,arial,sans-serif] - Friday, January 12, 2001
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Asia Buzz: Google
There is no other search engine worth using
[FONT=helvetica,arial,sans-serif] - Tuseday, January 9, 2001
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Savvy advertising slogans could help our region's embattled leaders
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Connecting nuns in East Timor to the Internet
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[/FONT]
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!--======================--><!--/TIME MORE STORIES BOX--><!--======================--> [FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] What's happening here? Has the nanny state loosened up and is now tolerating porn? Can that be happening? As with many things in Singapore, not everything is as it seems.

Leong (if that's his real name) says he's not running a porn site. Instead he's running a community service. Sex, he says, is a bodily function that all of us at some point do, and all he's simply doing is bringing it out into the open.

I've had a close look at Sammyboy -- there, I admit it -- and I have decided that it is in fact a porn site. But one with qualifications. Where Sammyboy starts being a porn site -- and thus inviting the wrath of authorities -- is where it links to very serious porn sites, the ones that you sometimes click into by accident and then spend 10 frustrating minutes trying to close down all the recurring browsers. If Sammyboy didn't carry those links, then Leong's argument might stack up a bit more firmly.

Beyond that, Sammyboy is morphing into a kind of samizdat outlet where Singaporeans vent and satirize life in the city-state. That's another no-go area, where the government's patience has traditionally been pretty short. But if you hold your breath and dive in, the site can be pretty funny, and sometimes illuminating. There's links to information about bad Singapore Inc. investments that don't get talked about too much, a "conservative Asian values forum," and a pretty funny cartoon that speaks to the national ideology of making money.

Another taste of Sammy's sense of humor comes when you log on. A window appears warning "all SPH journalists to keep out. You are not welcome." SPH is Singapore's print media near-monopoly, the publisher of the pro-government Straits Times and New Paper. The latter, for your information, has been running a campaign to shut Sammy down. But it's a funny kind of campaign. The New Paper wrote a scolding article about the site, which simply served to lift Sammyboy's profile among the Singaporeans it warned not to surf there.

Sammy himself is a bit of a mystery. The site is hosted in California but registered to a Samuel Leong, which is kind of a Singapore Everyman name, in Auckland, New Zealand. I called the number on the registration site and spoke to a Morgan Yeo, who happened to be Singaporean but claimed to know nothing of Sammyboy, or Samuel Leong. "I just run a used car yard here," he pleaded.

So, what are authorities doing about it? So far, not much, but it's still early days. The Singapore Broadcasting Authority which regulates these things told the New Paper that "the Samuel Leong website is but one of countless number of pornographic sites on the Internet. "Given the borderless nature of the Internet and the vast number of undesirable sites on the Net, there is a limit of what legislation can do," said a spokesman.

Sites like Sammyboy test control regimes like Singapore. It's impossible to condone porn but where does it stop being porn and start being a content site. And what does it look like when the government mantra is to open up, become a media center, and then bans sites that claim not to strictly fall into the porn category?

My tip is that Singapore will jump on Sammyboy. And if Sammyboy -- or Leong -- was smart, and really wanted to make some money from advertisers, he'd take down the hardcore links and emphasis the user-guide aspect. And then he and the Singapore authorities could be talking the same language -- trying to help procreation.
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Rogue Trader

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Thanks sam. Didn't know you were so famous.

Do you sometimes feel tempted to reveal your real identity? Being the egoistical person that you are, it must be eating you up.
 

wikiphile

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Thanks sam. Didn't know you were so famous.

Do you sometimes feel tempted to reveal your real identity? Being the egoistical person that you are, it must be eating you up.

He probably can't, where he is residing in, they probably have strong anti-pimp laws. :biggrin:
 

Ash007

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He probably can't, where he is residing in, they probably have strong anti-pimp laws. :biggrin:

Actually, if its New Zealand, like what the article says, its one the most pimp friendly countries in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_New_Zealand

Prostitution in New Zealand is decriminalised. Brothel keeping, living off the proceeds of someone else's prostitution and street prostitution are also permitted. Coercion of sex workers is illegal[1].
Prior to 2003, prostitution in New Zealand was governed by the Massage Parlours Act 1978, which allowed some indoor prostitution under a facade; indoor sex workers were required to be registered with the police. Advertising the sale of sex ('soliciting'), running a brothel, and living from the earnings of prostitution were illegal.
These laws were changed by the Prostitution Reform Act, which was passed by the narrowest margin in June 2003. The decriminalisation of brothels, escort agencies and soliciting and substitution of a minimal regulatory model created worldwide interest; New Zealand prostitution laws are now some of the most liberal in the world. (see Prostitution and the law).
Although prior to 2003 New Zealand had several laws meant to suppress prostitution, in practice, during the last decades of the 20th century, there had been a high degree of toleration of sex work. Nevertheless, police continued to raid brothels, streets and private residences of sex workers, right up to the day before the Prostitution Reform Bill was passed by Parliament.
 
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