Unbelieveable excerpts from Ming Yi court proceeding!

[oli9]

Suppose we take a step back and consider. The critical question is whether Ming Yi is entitled to the money and indulgence under his employment contract.

If so, and there is no misappropriation of the charity’s funds, then he has not broken any law. His taste for branded goods, luxury accommodation and high end lifestyle does not make him a criminal. As a religious figure, he should not have done that, but that is purely a moral obligation. Obviously the prosecutor is trying to paint a bad picture of his character with the line of questioning.

Similarly, we remember a highly paid civil servant recently took his entire family to France to attend French cooking classes at his own expense. One would question whether is he overpaid, but the civil servant has not broken any law.

Ive taken several steps back.

My conclusion is that this monk has not resisted worldly temptations. His heart may be of good intent (by way of setting up a charity to help the destitutes) but under no circumstances should he be seen indulging himself in branded goods & 5 star hotel stays.
What baffles me too as why is he drawing such a huge salary? After all, his salaries comes from offerings & donations from well wishers. He can justify his pay with his "the world has changed" statement (coincidentally, this sentence comes form the Lord of The Rings: The Fellowship of the Rings opening words) He can pay himself $50K per mth for all we care but how he manage his total pay quantum with monies pouring into the charity is the question. Remember how Durai The black bastard manipulate that only 10cents out of every charity dollar goes back into NKF?
If this monk has any good sense, he should plead guilty of deceiving charity monies, sack that FT Yeung & work for Ren Ci for free for the rest of his living life. This will give him back some credibility. What's left of it anyway!!!

 

[SIFU]

he draw big salary becos he wanna

1) buy luxury stuff
2) stay luxury hotel
3) live in luxury apartments
4) keep a toyboy

still not obvious enough meh

 

[KuanTi01]

Quote"Similarly, we remember a highly paid civil servant recently took his entire family to France to attend French cooking classes at his own expense. One would question whether is he overpaid, but the civil servant has not broken any law."

Something not quite right here!
bro, please remember this highly paid but low EQ civil servant is a civilian. During these recessionary times, he was flaunting his wealth openly. He got reprimanded by his masters. Technically, he has not committed any criminal offence.

But the one now facing trial is wearing saffron robes. For goodness sake, he is a Buddhist monk. People do look up to him. He is supposed to be a source of inspiration.The stark point is that he is a man of religion fronting a charity or IPC. Notwithstanding these modern times, he should behave and set a good example. Frugality it seems is not one of his virtues. His immense wealth is quite unbecoming of a monk, not to mention his penchant for branded goods and the good life. And I am not even referring to the offences he has been charged with- giving false testimony and statements; covering up for his pa, etc.:(

 

[Merlionrean]

Earn so much money don't spent on branded goods then spent on what other things?

Not that he went to rob the branded shops or something bad.

Stay in 5 stars hotel is not a crime too. If given the tittle as CEO, then he has to live up to all the perks too.

Why are people digging up all those silly petty things? Jealous that they cannot live that life style?

 

[LonewolfAlfa]

then he should not be wearing a monk's robe.

 

[pia]

While he's a confirmed sinner, and will get his retribution in this life or next, I'll

- complement him on his ernestness to help the poor, sickly and elderly, friends, colleagues etc.
- condemn him for his lust of material wealth, unnatural lust (to be proven), gullibility etc.

He's, bottomline, human.. like me, and I think the rest of your bros here.

I've committed numerous sins, but on the other hand there are positive attributes of me which makes me in the eyes of others, a "good" person.

If he renounces his monkhood, he'll still be a "good" person in the eyes of many. His crime here is being human while in the sacred robes of a monk.

Just my rambling thots after a long, terrible day of work. U may not agree

 

[halsey02]

Quote"Similarly, we remember a highly paid civil servant recently took his entire family to France to attend French cooking classes at his own expense. One would question whether is he overpaid, but the civil servant has not broken any law."

Something not quite right here!
bro, please remember this highly paid but low EQ civil servant is a civilian. During these recessionary times, he was flaunting his wealth openly. He got reprimanded by his masters. Technically, he has not committed any criminal offence.

But the one now facing trial is wearing saffron robes. For goodness sake, he is a Buddhist monk. People do look up to him. He is supposed to be a source of inspiration.The stark point is that he is a man of religion fronting a charity or IPC. Notwithstanding these modern times, he should behave and set a good example. Frugality it seems is not one of his virtues. His immense wealth is quite unbecoming of a monk, not to mention his penchant for branded goods and the good life. And I am not even referring to the offences he has been charged with- giving false testimony and statements; covering up for his pa, etc.:(

It is called servitude..civil servants..whatever he does or family does with the money it is none of our concern; but it was bad publicity & done in bad taste & oblivious to the genegral feeling of the public, who is going through a very bad patch.

As for the MONKey, is a servant of the faith, whose moral duty was to honour what his religion teaches. He can not just give excuses that is a modern world...when Buddha was propagating his teachings in his time..it was then a 'modern world' too!. Didn't he gave up the trappings of a good life...which is comparble to todyay's, BMW cars, branded accessories etc..

The thread that linked the two together is GREED, blinded by receiving so easlly massive amount of money

The temptation is to have some of it & more of it & flaunt it..for it is a MODERN WORLD!! indeed!

 

[commoner]

a lie no matter who you are still a lie,,,

if the accounts has no problem, who would know he has 3 condos and a BMW

if he just Mr. Goh, no problem, pay a fine, go jail a couple of days, forget it
if he just a CEO of Ren Ci like Gerard Ee, 50,000, nothing, probably a slap on the wrist

it is only when he wears a robe, that makes it a big thing

 

[Jabba]

i guess ppl realized that money is an impt lubricant and saying grace before eating doesn't makes food appear...i remember vaguely there's a pastor prince or something like dat who earns 50k each mth...well...that's the market now...i've heard someone saying something like we have to match wat the market is paying to retain the talented leaders...i guess the same goes for religion...

 

[cowbehcowbu]

This fake monk is beyond redemption...try to argue with vague and nonsensical and obligue reply....try to be cunning ...
Amonk ..under Buddhist codes of behavior is supposed to use the simplest and basic items in life..and abstention from any form of ostentatious behavior....
HE HAD BROKE THE LAW..BREACH THE bUDDHIST CODES ..WHICH HE HAD VOWED..
yet still try to argue his way out.........
A MAN BEYOND REDEMTION INDEED......WOULD HE REPENT...I DOUBT..
O MI TOU FUO.........

 

[KuanTi01]

Quote :"a lie no matter who you are still a lie,,,"
if the accounts has no problem, who would know he has 3 condos and a BMW
if he just Mr. Goh, no problem, pay a fine, go jail a couple of days, forget it
if he just a CEO of Ren Ci like Gerard Ee, 50,000, nothing, probably a slap on the wrist
Quote: "it is only when he wears a robe, that makes it a big thing"
then he should not be wearing a monk's robe."

These bros said it very well. What I said about Goh kah Heng aka Ming Yi has all to do with facts and has absolutely nothing to do with jealousy. Oh come on bro. Defend him if it is defensible but don't jump to conclusions about others. I am just sharing my 2 cents worth alth. I must say I'm comfortable enough not to feel any twinge of jealousy. Owning 3 upscale properties may seem innocuous enough but here's a monk that has no qualms in asking for public donations. To say that he didn't rob for branded goods is irrelevant and besides the point. By his own choice, a monk holds himself out to be different from a lay man. That's why he wears saffron robes!

 

[Gillette]

In fact till today, I believe the public is not aware of the exact nature of charges that are leveled against Ming Yi. Yes he led a lavish lifestyle. But if these perks are allowed under his employment contract and fully disclosed and approved, legally there is no wrongdoing. If the prosecutor is trying to prove that he misled the public on the usage of the charity’s funds, he’s got to do better than that. The NKF case defers in the sense that Durai misled the public on the use of the funds, plus as CEO he awarded some dubious fictitious contracts to his pals.

I am not defending his actions and I certainly disapprove of them. However it is not reasonable to expect anyone to work for free just because the employer is a charity (would you work for free?). As the chairman/CEO, he should be entitled to some fair remuneration.

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Ive taken several steps back.

My conclusion is that this monk has not resisted worldly temptations. His heart may be of good intent (by way of setting up a charity to help the destitutes) but under no circumstances should he be seen indulging himself in branded goods & 5 star hotel stays.
What baffles me too as why is he drawing such a huge salary? After all, his salaries comes from offerings & donations from well wishers. He can justify his pay with his "the world has changed" statement (coincidentally, this sentence comes form the Lord of The Rings: The Fellowship of the Rings opening words) He can pay himself $50K per mth for all we care but how he manage his total pay quantum with monies pouring into the charity is the question. Remember how Durai The black bastard manipulate that only 10cents out of every charity dollar goes back into NKF?
If this monk has any good sense, he should plead guilty of deceiving charity monies, sack that FT Yeung & work for Ren Ci for free for the rest of his living life. This will give him back some credibility. What's left of it anyway!!!

 

[Maverick01]

whose the purple hottie? MP of which place..lol? hot hot hot..hahahah

"We now operate differently from the past..."





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[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Yes, yes, yes....

But the one now facing trial is wearing saffron robes. For goodness sake, he is a Buddhist monk. People do look up to him. He is supposed to be a source of inspiration.The stark point is that he is a man of religion fronting a charity or IPC. Notwithstanding these modern times, he should behave and set a good example. Frugality it seems is not one of his virtues. His immense wealth is quite unbecoming of a monk, not to mention his penchant for branded goods and the good life. And I am not even referring to the offences he has been charged with- giving false testimony and statements; covering up for his pa, etc.:(

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Is Goh Kah Heng potraying and representing himself to be a buddhist monk or not?

Earn so much money don't spent on branded goods then spent on what other things?

Not that he went to rob the branded shops or something bad.

Stay in 5 stars hotel is not a crime too. If given the tittle as CEO, then he has to live up to all the perks too.

Why are people digging up all those silly petty things? Jealous that they cannot live that life style?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Naturally but...and this is the critical issue...is Goh Kah Heng prepared to repent, admit that his conduct is wrong and seek forgiveness in the first place?

While he's a confirmed sinner, and will get his retribution in this life or next, I'll

- complement him on his ernestness to help the poor, sickly and elderly, friends, colleagues etc.
- condemn him for his lust of material wealth, unnatural lust (to be proven), gullibility etc.

He's, bottomline, human.. like me, and I think the rest of your bros here.

I've committed numerous sins, but on the other hand there are positive attributes of me which makes me in the eyes of others, a "good" person.

If he renounces his monkhood, he'll still be a "good" person in the eyes of many. His crime here is being human while in the sacred robes of a monk.

Just my rambling thots after a long, terrible day of work. U may not agree

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Yes, yes, yes...

It is called servitude..civil servants..whatever he does or family does with the money it is none of our concern; but it was bad publicity & done in bad taste & oblivious to the genegral feeling of the public, who is going through a very bad patch.

As for the MONKey, is a servant of the faith, whose moral duty was to honour what his religion teaches. He can not just give excuses that is a modern world...when Buddha was propagating his teachings in his time..it was then a 'modern world' too!. Didn't he gave up the trappings of a good life...which is comparble to todyay's, BMW cars, branded accessories etc..

The thread that linked the two together is GREED, blinded by receiving so easlly massive amount of money

The temptation is to have some of it & more of it & flaunt it..for it is a MODERN WORLD!! indeed!

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

The critical issue here is whether this is morally and ethically acceptable regardless of the modern world that we live in...we are afterall talking matters of faith and not the commercial corporate world

i guess ppl realized that money is an impt lubricant and saying grace before eating doesn't makes food appear...i remember vaguely there's a pastor prince or something like dat who earns 50k each mth...well...that's the market now...i've heard someone saying something like we have to match wat the market is paying to retain the talented leaders...i guess the same goes for religion...

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

The present criminal charges relate to an alleged unauthorised and illegal loan of $50k of Ren Ci's funds to Raymond Yeung by Goh Kah Heng and alleged lies to the COC...in this regard, unless Goh Kah Heng can successfully challenge his earlier police statements tendered in court which appear to amount to a confession more or less, I would say his goose is probably cooked.

In fact till today, I believe the public is not aware of the exact nature of charges that are leveled against Ming Yi. Yes he led a lavish lifestyle. But if these perks are allowed under his employment contract and fully disclosed and approved, legally there is no wrongdoing. If the prosecutor is trying to prove that he misled the public on the usage of the charity’s funds, he’s got to do better than that. The NKF case defers in the sense that Durai misled the public on the use of the funds, plus as CEO he awarded some dubious fictitious contracts to his pals.

Is Goh Kah Heng potraying and representing himself out to be a buddhist monk or not?

I am not defending his actions and I certainly disapprove of them. However it is not reasonable to expect anyone to work for free just because the employer is a charity (would you work for free?). As the chairman/CEO, he should be entitled to some fair remuneration.

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[commoner]

i think at the end of the day, we are disappointed on how he presented himself,,,,,

trying to justify himself (giving loans is appropriate),
put the blame on others (on his family, his mentor, misled by Yeung, the Ren Ci and the world in general)

we actually do expect a higher standard of morals and behavior from a supposedly "spiritual/political/commercial/whatever" leader of sorts.