Opposition-bashing in "Opposition unity" forum

[kakowi]

Oppo supporters fighting with the PAP apologists is not really fighting among the Oppositions.

It is because

(1) it leads to vote dilution

(2) it leads to bad press

(3) it leads to a loss of confidence in all oppositions for the uninitiated
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[char_jig_kar]

It is because

(1) it leads to vote dilution

(2) it leads to bad press

(3) it leads to a loss of confidence in all oppositions for the uninitiated
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if PAP apologist is not really a Opposition, where is the vote dilution?

if the Opposition camp is indeed in bad shape, why not just face it? why not just suck it up and deal with it, instead of putting up a false front that all is well? why pretend?

 

[Perspective]

I think he actually had a hearing problem, really. I read from the Enquirer that he admitted it during an interview. He couldnt hear the lower frequencies.

What you said made me realise one thing. We have heard all about Chee from the 147th and none of us swallowed it, including that chap of course. That's giving benefit of doubt. When it came to LTK, we all did the same - except the same chap. Give it benefit of doubt, give it to all. But a chap gives it selectively and pretends to be fair.

Notice the chap sidestepped this and every single post/sentence that blocks his agenda of painting certain people as PAP apologist - no substantiation, just repeats and tricks. Notice nothing from "ouster of Chiam" and "losing 3 seats" have come out, all which benefitted PAP.

 

[Perspective]

suppose CJK is really NGEJAY in another clone, then everything shall be clear as deduced by god meng seng

Appreciate that you can leave your "enemies" names out and just focus on the issue.

 

[leetahbar]

I scanned through the list of posts and found this to be the most logical.

Eminently rational.

Now, if only they proceed to find ways to convince that 66.6% to vote for them.

If they want to proceed singly, then do it singly. If jointly, then jointly. But pursue this 66.6% instead of fighting amongst yourselves.

I have my doubts that all of these 66.6% are hardcore PAP supporters.

i think sdp's ambitious aim or rather chee's insiduous ultimatum is to usurp all the opps to make him the superior ruler to achieve his goal for vengeance against famiLEE. his followers are just instrumental to ehance his motive.

once he has destroyed the famiLEE, his final goal of destroying peesailand would be a breeze!:p

 

[Perspective]

i think sdp's ambitious aim or rather chee's insiduous ultimatum is to usurp all the opps to make him the superior ruler to achieve his goal for vengeance against famiLEE. his followers are just instrumental to ehance his motive.

once he has destroyed the famiLEE, his final goal of destroying peesailand would be a breeze!:p

Give me a break. I don't think Chee is out to destroy Singapore, there are many better, more effective ways to do so. We can disagree with his methods but nothing gives the indication that he's disloyal.

If anyone wants to get rid of the Lees, you can apply the label to any opposition - WP/SDA etc. It is the method of doing so.

 

[leetahbar]

Appreciate that you can leave your "enemies" names out and just focus on the issue.

his clones are numerous here. beside targeting paps, his other targets are to bring down wp becos of ltk and nsp becos of gohmengseng. both incumbents have their fair share of supports and hence this clash among them is a continuous affair.

33.3% must convince more of the 66.6% so that they would be swayed to vote against the paps. for ejay n his likely clones are doing something more disastrous, ie, to discredit the existing opp mps and swaying the 33.3% to vote against the opps, namely wp being the biggest and most reputable.

why is this so? personal or bigger good?

sdp's support is decreasing. how can it be if they claim to be doing right for the peasants? wp on the other hand is raising. again, does that envious the sdppies in such a way that they try to bring it down?

if opps keep fighting over the share of 33.3% instead of shrinking the 66.6%, in the next GE the result should be quite predictable.

 

[char_jig_kar]

his clones are numerous here. beside targeting paps, his other targets are to bring down wp becos of ltk and nsp becos of gohmengseng. both incumbents have their fair share of supports and hence this clash among them is a continuous affair.

33.3% must convince more of the 66.6% so that they would be swayed to vote against the paps. for ejay n his likely clones are doing something more disastrous, ie, to discredit the existing opp mps and swaying the 33.3% to vote against the opps, namely wp being the biggest and most reputable.

why is this so? personal or bigger good?

sdp's support is decreasing. how can it be if they claim to be doing right for the peasants? wp on the other hand is raising. again, does that envious the sdppies in such a way that they try to bring it down?

if opps keep fighting over the share of 33.3% instead of shrinking the 66.6%, in the next GE the result should be quite predictable.

funny. u as a PAP supporter, why u worry for the 33.3%?

 

[Ramseth]

Oppo supporters fighting with the PAP apologists is not really fighting among the Oppositions.

Really? Perhaps it's PAP apologists versus SDP apologists. WP antagonists versus WP apologists. PAP abortionists versus multi-party coalitionists, single party partisanists versus nopartisan anarchists...round and round until World Cup Final on polling day, watch TV live telecast and enjoy.

 

[leetahbar]

funny. u as a PAP supporter, why u worry for the 33.3%?

r u speaking in SDP tongue. why dun u just condemn as paps running dogs - sdppies favorite catchphrase? perhaps, time to deploy the clones brigade?

 

[char_jig_kar]

r u speaking in SDP tongue. why dun u just condemn as paps running dogs - sdppies favorite catchphrase? perhaps, time to deploy the clones brigade?

u prefer people calling u a PAP running dog than PAP supporter??

 

[scroobal]

It is because

(1) it leads to vote dilution

(2) it leads to bad press

(3) it leads to a loss of confidence in all oppositions for the uninitiated
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well said.

 

[Perspective]

his clones are numerous here. beside targeting paps, his other targets are to bring down wp becos of ltk and nsp becos of gohmengseng. both incumbents have their fair share of supports and hence this clash among them is a continuous affair.

33.3% must convince more of the 66.6% so that they would be swayed to vote against the paps. for ejay n his likely clones are doing something more disastrous, ie, to discredit the existing opp mps and swaying the 33.3% to vote against the opps, namely wp being the biggest and most reputable.

why is this so? personal or bigger good?

sdp's support is decreasing. how can it be if they claim to be doing right for the peasants? wp on the other hand is raising. again, does that envious the sdppies in such a way that they try to bring it down?

if opps keep fighting over the share of 33.3% instead of shrinking the 66.6%, in the next GE the result should be quite predictable.

So? Where are they? I only see one chap who is as insignificant as any one forummer's voice and whom I think his POV won't change anyone's minds except those converted to the inane side.

If they have ambitions they will have to bear in mind that the platforms they run on will also be affected. Inter-opposition squabbles will affect all, you bring their margin down by 10%, some opposition that stands a chance of winning will not, but those at the 20% mark will lose their deposits. I don't think they will be that dumb to make it big-scale. Relax!

 

[cleareyes]

Dear Scroobal and Perspective



I am afraid Chap represents the "ideological purist" amongst the opposition camps. From his words I see a consistent recurring theme being pushed over and over again as reflected in the recently concluded SDP forum where the like minded preach to the like minded and where ten's of new faces is celebrated as a victory. Where engagement is rhetoric subsituted for thoughtful analysis. Then again with the internet being their new vehicle should you be surprised at the use of clones and nics to manufacture opinion so as to influence off line views ? Moderation and critical thought has its place, and thus chap's view point has to debated and discussed

Chap's argument is circular in many respects not just 360 degrees but more akin to 3600 degrees, he goes round and round so often that he should faint from all that effort.

The current opposition is not opposition enough, the current opposition errrr passes the pap and errr would vote for the PAp. the currrent opposition should be voted out of Parliament because they have failed the people who voted for them. Singaporeans are sheep. voters are sheep, the current opposition says the PAP has a passing grade,( forgetting the other half of the statement, forgetting the PAP gives themselves a first class, forgetting that there might be enough people who would not fail the PAP outright ) , Vote PAP agreed..YSL was an idiot but then will not be the first oppo figure to make a mistake of some form. When will I ever see a NON PAP Gov in my lifetime ? It is only under conditions of perfect democracy that the PAP can be pressured and overthrown.

The SDP draws its strength and its hope from the internet. Perhaps its effect is more real offline then I can recall but its supporters seem hell bent in my view on dominating the Anti PAP space on line by shoving everyone else aside and painting them as not opposition enough

How opposition is opposition enough ? If moderation has won and has kept seats then sad to say moderation is what works whether chap likes it or not. If fervent ideologues win seats then well we would have a different opposition mix.

I will have my disagreements on what is the best method to oppose, but I will always
vote opposition no matter who. Those fervent passionates on the other side I believe will never do the same



Locke

what "ideological purist"??? This fellow is behaving like an "ideological irrationalist". You said it yourself, instead of looking at views from 360 degrees, he goes 3600 or even 7200 or more and he does so just to win an argument and insist his views is correct despite how he just cant argue his faults away when its already right in his face.

In everything we do, there will always be limitation. But in how this felow is arguing, there is no limits or lines of any kind that submit by others and only he himself could define such extend, much of which he would redefine when his argument had fallen through.

We are all very well aware of such behavior are dictatorial in nature. So for such characters who claim to oppose LKY and want to see him been thrown out, it appears they are behaving even worse than LKY.

 

[cleareyes]

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there are Oppositions who walk too damn close to the PAP. shouldn't vote them into the parliament. simple as that.

Until now, you are still not able to define " walk too damn close".

so what is it?

Come, lets show your definition, and this time, its the final one with no change in meaning or wording.

Can you do that?

 

[char_jig_kar]

what "ideological purist"??? This fellow is behaving like an "ideological irrationalist". You said it yourself, instead of looking at views from 360 degrees, he goes 3600 or even 7200 or more and he does so just to win an argument and insist his views is correct despite how he just cant argue his faults away when its already right in his face.

In everything we do, there will always be limitation. But in how this felow is arguing, there is no limits or lines of any kind that submit by others and only he himself could define such extend, much of which he would redefine when his argument had fallen through.

We are all very well aware of such behavior are dictatorial in nature. So for such characters who claim to oppose LKY and want to see him been thrown out, it appears they are behaving even worse than LKY.

really? wow. didn't know i could do all that u had said about me. 7200 degrees turn? that many turn i did in those messages? really? wow.

 

[char_jig_kar]

Until now, you are still not able to define " walk too damn close".

so what is it?

Come, lets show your definition, and this time, its the final one with no change in meaning or wording.

Can you do that?

its just another way of saying, some of the Opposition, they are strongly influenced by the PAP, in terms of outlooks, attitude, and mindset.

 

[cleareyes]

really? wow. didn't know i could do all that u had said about me. 7200 degrees turn? that many turn i did in those message? really? wow.

Avoiding the question? not willing to give a defnition?

no matter how you twist and turn, the moment you fail to display logic and reason, you failed to convince anyone for backing you up.

Im waiting.........

 

[char_jig_kar]

Notice the chap sidestepped this and every single post/sentence that blocks his agenda of painting certain people as PAP apologist - no substantiation, just repeats and tricks.

no substantiation? okay... how about this one?

hey ah nissanViP, wat do say about YSL?

u talk about we Opposition supporters, shldn't give vote to people who are close rank with PAP.

now, Yaw Shin Leong, a WP CEC member, voted for PAP in the GE 2006. he's still in the WP CEC. tell me, isn't it YSL close rank with the PAP? and WP, isn't it WP close rank with the PAP by keeping YSL in the WP CEC??

thats part of this thread about. Opposition identity crisis.

doesn't it show that the WP close rank with the PAP?

 

[char_jig_kar]

Avoiding the question? not willing to give a defnition?

no matter how you twist and turn, the moment you fail to display logic and reason, you failed to convince anyone for backing you up.

Im waiting.........

please scroll up.