WP's Managing Agent's issue

[tanwahp]

Another good suggestion.

If they are so concerned abt of Aljunied, ask these 2 clowns to put their mouth where their money is. If they win they can throw out the Managing Agent which they are so upset with.

There's no need to go there. PAP can ask their various managing agents in Singapore all whom are affiliated to them - all these CPG, Premas, EMSU etc. - bid to become AHTC's managing agent. Instead they were willing to reject the profits of WP's TC in order to help PAP cripple them.

 

[zhihau]

Middle ground look at things very differently from the die hard core.

Goh Meng Seng

as much as you saw it shifted for TKL. you shifted to Aljunied GRC yet?

 

[wwabbit]

The battle is won via the middle ground shift, not from the die hard core supporters. Middle ground look at things very differently from the die hard core.

Middle ground are less likely to vote shift if it is like you said, that WP and PAP are sama-sama.

 

[zhihau]

Middle ground are less likely to vote shift if it is like you said, that WP and PAP are sama-sama.

you're actually listening to his analysis? my kawan kawan recently quipped that "ubah" started with the MIW's fall in Aljuined GRC

my kawan had a point, disregard Hougang BE and look at Punggol East BE, a mini-ubah wave

 

[tanwahp]

It is about something more damaging towards Democratic development for Singapore.

Democratic development is about having alternatives to whoever is governing. The damage is if enough people think that a good alternative is to be a better alternative to the alternative while the government continues to stay there.

If the third alternative turns out to also be the same as the two, does getting rid of the 2nd and 3rd alternative with the 4th alternative makes sense? And what happens? The government is still there.

 

[DEDEER]

The battle is won via the middle ground shift, not from the die hard core supporters. Middle ground look at things very differently from the die hard core.

Goh Meng Seng

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[WongMengMeng]

Not as good as you, the PAP agent.

Quiet as a church mouse during AIMgate and Palmergate when PAP was under fire. Now just couldn't shut your gap hor

There is more than one PAP agent here. The other one that I am 101% sure is a PAP agent is this clown LockeLiberal. Forummers should check out this link and read posts #86 to #90. Don't accept any invitations from him to meet!

Http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?151207-Political-Implications-of-6-9-Protests/page5

Any online "discussion" that these 2 jokers are conducting are obviously orchestrated.

 

[yellowarse]

There is more than one PAP agent here. The other one that I am 101% sure is a PAP agent is this clown LockeLiberal. Forummers should check out this link and read posts #86 to #90. Don't accept any invitations from him to meet!

Locke's real identity is known to not a few forummers here, and I can assure you he's a WP member.

As to whether he's a PAP agent, who knows? If you'd believe Goldendragon, even CSJ and LTK are not above suspicion. What more the rest of us?

 

[winnipegjets]

In all fairness, I have not attacked WP unreasonably in any ways. We want opposition in parliament but what WP has given us really fall short of first world or first class as they claimed. Right from sex scandal to conflict of interests in management.

Do you read what you post? You are only happy when you get to sit in Parliament. What can you achieve there alone? Nothing! Are you that hard up for that $250k annual allowance?

As opposition supporters, you should worry more of the dwindling credibility of the only opposition in parliament than anything else. Don't really need to worry about me.

Thanks to you for parroting PAP garbage here. The least I expect of you is to critic their accusations. Instead, you just act like their henchman.

PAP cannot divert attention if there is nothing for them to fire. Whose fault? Well, frankly speaking, whatever PAP tried to justify AIM, nobody will believe because people have already made up their minds.

The PAP has all the resources in government ...they have the ISD, SID, MINDEF, SPF and all the ministries are at the PAP's backing. Of course, they can get information and then make it into dirt.

The problem is, WP got itself into this mess because of its inability to safeguard a stringent standard against potential conflict of interests. This could mean a lot more things in terms of playing the role of opposition in parliament. It would mean that it has lost its moral high ground totally on good governance and good practice to point fingers at PAP's wrong doing in future. It would mean that it will have to condone various bad practices happening in the government...

To put it straight, it has even no moral authority to criticise PAP over the bomptom bike tender procedure! It would have lost all its effectiveness as opposition in parliament to give the necessary checks and balances.

Yeah, you can do a better job alone?
You can talk all the bs ...at the end of the day, the voters/residents judge you on how well they have been served. The WP delivered to the residents. And that's what counts.
If you have any patriotism, stop your attacks on the WP. They are already fighting an uphill battle to show sinkees that the opposition are as good if not better than the PAP. Then comes a clown like you to do the dirty work of the PAP.

It is not just about AIM nor FMSS anymore. It is about something more damaging towards Democratic development for Singapore.

We will not move an inch if the PAP remains entrench in power. And all that you are doing is helping the PAP stay in power. What a stupid person you are .

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

I have learned throughout the years, not to speculate on things that have not happened but focus on issues that have happened.

Goh Meng Seng

Obviously, your learning skill is quite bad looking at the number of juniors surpassing you in the politic scene. Quit learning and start thinking, that will give you a better chance to sit in the parliament to help Singaporeans debate matters ranging from bread and butter to national issues. Instead of sitting by the sideline and proclaim oneself a political analyst. I hate to say this but i will give my vote to PAP between you and them. I find them a lesser evil as compared to you. And between a donkey and PAP, i will give my vote to the donkey.

 

[kingrant]

Without a doubt, PAP should be held to a higher yardstick as it is the govt. PAP TCs have the entire Singapore field to play when it comes to appointing agents. They can select from their own people and there is also a large middle ground of contractors who are neutral and who probably are quite happy to win any PAP business, being the crony bully it is.

On the other hand, WP can only rely on their own supporters, as the neutrals avoid taking up WP's TC business for fear of antagonising the PAP and getting themselves into their black books.

Yet, PAP favours its supporters with contracts even tho it has a wider choice of selection from the pool, whereas WP really had no choice but to depend on its own supporters to work for its TCs.

Hence, PAP is the rogue to be condemned and WP happens to be collateral damage to be sympathised.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Locke's real identity is known to not a few forummers here, and I can assure you he's a WP member.

Locke's alleged WP membership or lack thereof is irrelevant. His points in the first few posts are important. They should be clearly communicated to the wider public as they show immediately the kind of dirty mind games and obfuscation MND and THP are playing to fool people into believing something much worse about WP. GMS picked up the angle that MND and THP were drawing and preyed on it continually throughout this thread.

Dirty politics on the part of the PAP has to be challenged immediately with clear, substantial facts.

 

[Bigfuck]

Obviously, your learning skill is quite bad looking at the number of juniors surpassing you in the politic scene. Quit learning and start thinking, that will give you a better chance to sit in the parliament to help Singaporeans debate matters ranging from bread and butter to national issues. Instead of sitting by the sideline and proclaim oneself a political analyst. I hate to say this but i will give my vote to PAP between you and them. I find them a lesser evil as compared to you. And between a donkey and PAP, i will give my vote to the donkey.

A real patriot in politics gets into parliament to represent the people or champions issues for the people. Party hopping clowns that keep giving ice cockleong when nobody asked for it is like cheap worn out prostitutes trying to find new business.

 

[kukubird58]

Originally Posted by scroobal
Let me summarise for those who do not have the time.

1) PAP and WP is at fault
2) WP is at fault
3) WP is at fault
4) WP is at fault
5) In conclusion WP is at fault.

ps. I am criticising WP because I want them to do better.

hahaha....scroobal, u posted this......or was it done by someone using your nick?????

 

[Satyr]

I agree but you will surprised that many Singaporeans genuinely believe that the MP's role is to manage the TC and keep the place clean. They actually think it is the primary role.

If you ask me I think the TC role was a ploy not just to tie down just the opposition but to keep the ordinary PAP MPs themselves busy so that they do not have that much time to ponder the workings of the inner circle.

 

[Satyr]

Only in your wildest wet dreams are the Worker's Party suffering from any damage from this saga. From what I've seen, nothing has changed. The only people that are attacking the Worker's Party with Teo Ho Pin's message are the same people that have already been attacking the Worker's Party before. Considering that the biggest criticisms now, apart from known PAP supporters, come you, I don't think it is something the Worker's Party is going to lose sleep over.

Right. Nobody with any interest in this issue is going to get their information from the MSM. The MSM is like the MIW. Because they have great revenue streams they think they have great support. They may have captive customers but they have lost credibility. I would call this borrowed time.

 

[yellowarse]

Thus, on the contrary, I think the damage on WP is much more as the saying goes, the higher the expectation, the deeper the disappointment.

In a David (WP) vs Goliath (PAP) situation, sympathy always lies with the underdog. This is especially true in a one-party system like Singapore.

Even if PAP and WP are both guilty of cronyism, popular sentiments (staunch opposition supporters and middle ground voters) will see the PAP as having egregiously abused its power as the behemoth incumbent, and the WP as the unfortunate victim of politically contrived constraints beyond its control.

The more PAP plays up the AIM-FMSS issue, the more it will come across as the big bully it is, the greater the political price paid in the next election, whatever the outcome of this saga. As it stands, Teo Ho Pin is already a sitting duck in BP.

 

[zhihau]

As it stands, Teo Ho Pin is already a sitting duck in BP.

mai tu liao! he stands a better chance in a GRC! Aljunied GRC needs a candidate like THP! HUAT AH!

 

[The_Hypocrite]

I wonder what GMS have to say about this?

http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/05/18/gm-of-jurong-tc-is-also-md-of-managing-agent-of-tc-pap-branch-secretary-revisit/

May 16th, 2011 | Author: Editorial
The General Manager of Jurong Town Council Ho Thian Poh is also the Managing Director of UGL Premas Limited which owns Esmaco Township Management Services, the contractor employed by Jurong Town Council itself. (Source: ULG Premas)

Netizens have been asking if this duo role of Mr Ho may have led to a possible conflict of interest. Besides Jurong, UGL Premas Limited manages Marine Parade, West Coast and Hong Kah Town Councils as well.

Mr Ho first came into public spotlight when he sacked an opposition supporter purportedly for ‘poor performance’ one day after she was spotted by fellow colleagues selling merchandise at an opposition rally.

It turns out that Mr Ho is also the PAP branch secretary of Bukit Batok East.

Another possible case of conflict of interest involves Aljunied Town Council which is managed by CPG Facilities Management. The General Manager of Aljunied Town Council Mr Jeffrey Chua is also the Managing Director of CPF Facilities Management. It is not known if he is a PAP member as well.

It is a common knowledge that grassroots organizations and Town Councils have long been politicized to become ‘political tools’ of the PAP regime.

PAP branch secretaries often wear many hats at the grassroots levels – some hold multiple positions such as Chairman of Community Clubs, Town Council managers and Chairman of Citizen Consultative Committees at the same time.

According to PAP strongman Lee Kuan Yew, all grassroots organizations such as CCs, CCCs and RCs are ‘part of the PAP.’

The implication of AIM-FMSS saga is far beyond FMSS to WP.

The implications of AIM-FMSS saga is this...

In all fairness, I have not attacked WP unreasonably in any ways. We want opposition in parliament but what WP has given us really fall short of first world or first class as they claimed. Right from sex scandal to conflict of interests in management.

As opposition supporters, you should worry more of the dwindling credibility of the only opposition in parliament than anything else. Don't really need to worry about me.

PAP cannot divert attention if there is nothing for them to fire. Whose fault? Well, frankly speaking, whatever PAP tried to justify AIM, nobody will believe because people have already made up their minds. The problem is, WP got itself into this mess because of its inability to safeguard a stringent standard against potential conflict of interests. This could mean a lot more things in terms of playing the role of opposition in parliament. It would mean that it has lost its moral high ground totally on good governance and good practice to point fingers at PAP's wrong doing in future. It would mean that it will have to condone various bad practices happening in the government...

To put it straight, it has even no moral authority to criticise PAP over the bomptom bike tender procedure! It would have lost all its effectiveness as opposition in parliament to give the necessary checks and balances.

It is not just about AIM nor FMSS anymore. It is about something more damaging towards Democratic development for Singapore.

 

[scroobal]

Bro, that was silky smooth. Did not even see the knife go in and go out until I read it again. Liked the part where you tied GD to Locke via CSJ and LTK. I rate you as top of the league. I suppose you can understand why people are cautious of SDP.

Locke's real identity is known to not a few forummers here, and I can assure you he's a WP member.

As to whether he's a PAP agent, who knows? If you'd believe Goldendragon, even CSJ and LTK are not above suspicion. What more the rest of us?