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No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go up

BuiKia

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No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go up

We came across an interesting article (‘The Truth About HDB Flat Ownership that Nobody Wants to Remember‘) on the blog “A Singaporean in Australia” recently, that drew comparisons between Certificate of Entitlement (COE) for vehicles in Singapore, and the 99-year leasehold properties, specifically Housing Development Board (HDB) flats. As mentioned in the article by Singaporean Son, the COE is time-limited (by 10 years) just like leasehold property, except that a property lease is usually 99 years.

When it comes to the price of a car, it generally decreases as the time-limit approaches. Starting from the time you take the keys, the COE portion of the car’s value drops drastically, then more gradually, until it has no more value by the end of the 10th year. Of course, the car body itself has an intrinsic value, but that too diminishes with time. Just like the physical home, it gets old through wear and tear, at the same time getting outdated via design, technology and amenities / features.

Singapore Son rightly questions why 99-year leasehold properties, with their decreasing value of a finite leasehold period, do not also subscribe to a similar fall in property prices as time goes by. He does bring up some insightful points, which we do agree with to a certain extent, but we’d also like to take his analogy a step further, and delve into greater detail.

This is a comparison that involves limited time, age and limited supply.

Time

As mentioned earlier, both cars and leasehold property in Singapore are on a limited tenure. The difference being that cars only have 10 years before a renewal is required, and properties generally have 99 years before they are taken back (if not allowed to renew). There is no arguing that this limitation is detrimental to the value of said item, whether car or property. No logical reason can be found that having less time would add value to the car or leasehold property. In other words, as the tenure runs out, the time-limited component of value must fall.

Age

This aging process also decreases the value of the physical car or house itself. No matter how well-taken care of, older cars and houses will be worth less in general, due to wear and tear, older technologies and lack of newer features and amenities.

Supply

In terms of supply, both a car and a dwelling have limits. On the surface, it seems as if cars are limited by COEs available, and while property is limited by the finite resource that is land. The cars themselves are continuously being manufactured, improved and imported. However, there is a difference. The COE limitation is merely a paper limitation, which can be easily increased by just printing more COEs. Land, on the other hand, cannot easily be created – even reclamation has its limits. As such, the value of the land that the leased property sits on masks the fact that the lease is – slowly but surely – running out of time.

But take a closer look at the underlying reason why COEs are limited, and you will see some similarities emerge. I think we can all agree that the basic purpose of a car is to travel from point A to point B. If a car cannot do so, due to gridlock or lack of parking space at the destination, then it is quite useless. (Let’s ignore for the moment the car as a means to advertise one’s wealth; that’s a topic for another article.) Thus, at the end of the day, a car’s utility is also dependent on available infrastructure such as roads, expressways and parking space. In other words, land.

Is it any wonder then, that cars are even more expensive than leasehold property, on a per-year basis? Just as with leasehold property, hundreds of Singaporeans are throwing money at something they know can only last for a limited amount of time. It seems to us that people are no longer buying based on a rational assessment of the value they are getting. We earlier mentioned that the rising value of the land could be masking the falling value of a lease. But it seems that public perception and sentiment is also a strong contributing reason why 99-year leasehold HDB apartments fetch such startling prices.

Value

Are people placing too much emphasis on land value, to the detriment of their risk-reward balance?

Has the property-buying public (specifically those that buy 99-year leasehold) forgotten that, at the end of an non-renewed lease*, their property price drops to zero, no matter how high the land value has climbed? Yes, there are differences between rental agreement and an agreement of lease, despite many who think that a 99-year lease is merely a rental agreement that lasts 99 years. But these differences should not lead buyers into thinking that they are guaranteed a renewal of their lease. Worse still, buyers now believe they are guaranteed a profit that flies in the face of the dwindling value of the lease.

Our thoughts are that this unhealthy focus on land value, despite the decreasing lease value, is caused by owners that have confused gambling on market fluctuations as a steady form of investment. They are relying on a property boom to produce a return on investment, just as how a rare boom on COE prices allowed car owners to turn a profit once or twice before.

And that is not their only confusion. This situation has caused them to misrepresent the actual value of the property (which factors in the dwindling lease); the actual value has become secondary to its value as a speculation tool.

One should not simply buy a property just because it is expensive and you think it will go up even more in the future. This is something you will be sinking the bulk of your finances into. A proper assessment of a particular home’s merits – without over-emphasis on future speculative gains – is essential to obtaining appropriate value for both yourself as well as the market. It should take into account many things such as lease period, location, amenities, infrastructure, neighbouring property prices, alternative property prices and state of maintenance, just to name a few.

Unfortunately, simple investors who buy for the sake of speculation on land prices only see the upside; they fail to assess the actual value of the property, including the diminishing value of a leasehold property. Thus, they inflate the worth of a particular leasehold property, and are willing to throw whatever amount they can afford to secure a purchase, with no regard for the property’s appropriate value. They are judging based on future market gains, not current utility. This, of course, is the very essence of bubble-like sentiment.

And this is also why even those who buy a public housing lease are under the impression that they are entitled to earn a profit from it. The exorbitant cash-over-valuation (COV) amounts are just one manifestation of such a mentality. In our opinion, such behaviour that encourages market bubbles should not be condoned, especially in the public housing sector. It only takes a small percentage of such people in the Singapore property market to cause prices to escalate to bubble-like proportions.

Just as with any other speculative and gambling endeavour, there are ups and downs. If one takes the chance for a big reward, then one should also be prepared to face the risk. In the face of a market bubble deflation, or even worse, implosion, there should be no state resources allocated to help these people. That would only be further condoning such behaviour going forward.

*Apart from non-renewal of lease, we are also ignoring SERS and other lease buy-back schemes. They are not guaranteed, and relying on these to ensure ROI is tenuous at best.

http://forums.asiaone.com/showthread.php?t=61293#1
 

STUCK_HERE

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

a lot of greedy pigs
 

I_Hate_Pappies

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

It's about Supply and Demand. Fuck PAP! :oIo: They did not make proactive measures in these area before they opened the floodgates.
Why? Either due to negligent or they wanted the property prices to soar. No any other possibilities other than these 2.
 

BuiKia

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

How many PAP and their family members are property speculators? No one knows because no need to declare and make public?



It's about Supply and Demand. Fuck PAP! :oIo: They did not make proactive measures in these area before they opened the floodgates.
Why? Either due to negligent or they wanted the property prices to soar. No any other possibilities other than these 2.
 

zhihau

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

show the prices for the construction of the HDB... :eek::eek::eek:
 

I_Hate_Pappies

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

How many PAP and their family members are property speculators? No one knows because no need to declare and make public?

I smell conflicts of interest.
 

imagery

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

A well written article with good arguments which also shows how greedily blind many sinkies are.
 

laksaboy

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

How many PAP and their family members are property speculators? No one knows because no need to declare and make public?

Not just speculators. Many of the PAP regime's cronies are property developers. In fact, the DBSS scheme was another elaborate way to milk Sinkies dry.
 

longbow

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

There is a huge difference between 10 and 99 years.

With 99 years, timing does not come into play until you have less than 50 years.

Look at it in percentage terms and you will understand. There are no HDB flats that have "used up 90% of their 99 years in Singapore. My last car was sold at 10 years!
 

eErotica69

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

How about leasehold private properties? How about leasehold over properties? Why you all never mentioned that one?
 

Crane

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

All properties in china are on 70-year leases ....... and chinese nationals slog through their lives working, cheating and paying for them.
 

blissquek

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

It's about Supply and Demand. Fuck PAP! :oIo: They did not make proactive measures in these area before they opened the floodgates.
Why? Either due to negligent or they wanted the property prices to soar. No any other possibilities other than these 2.



Yes..agree with u there..

It boils down to basic economic Law of Supply, Demand and prices....some one century old by Adam Smith..

But our MIW got it all wrong and try to wriggle their way out with all sorts of excuses..

Shame on them..just admit they got the supply side all wrong ..we see their desperate move to ramp up supply the last 2 years..more land sales, more new public flats...etc....
 

B Man

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

Its not a strict demand and supply market as long as the HDB controls the valuation of the HDB pricing. Don't mistake that the valuation is a free market just coz its valued by private valuers..

So base price (HDB) is controlled, then the others above will move along as is "valued"...


No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go up

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http://forums.asiaone.com/showthread.php?t=61293#1
 

watchman8

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

All properties in china are on 70-year leases ....... and chinese nationals slog through their lives working, cheating and paying for them.
The Chinese are too stupid as they assume they will only need to pay nominal sum to extend the 70 yr lease. So all acting as if freehold.
 

Big Sexy

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

get real people..
Do u guys really want your pigeon hole price to fall?
if it falls, you will then again start to curse the miw for letting the price fall.

i ask you a simple question.
what do you prefer? buying a HDB at 500k and sell it for 450K after 10 years or
paying 500K for a flat now and sell it for 1 mil years later ?

be grateful, the pappies are making you into millionaires, which you guys otherwise will never have the chance to be one.
with the profit you made, you can then consider moving to another country to retire comfortably.
 

I_Hate_Pappies

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

get real people..
Do u guys really want your pigeon hole price to fall?
if it falls, you will then again start to curse the miw for letting the price fall.

i ask you a simple question.
what do you prefer? buying a HDB at 500k and sell it for 450K after 10 years or
paying 500K for a flat now and sell it for 1 mil years later ?

be grateful, the pappies are making you into millionaires, which you guys otherwise will never have the chance to be one.
with the profit you made, you can then consider moving to another country to retire comfortably.

How about buying it at $1 and selling it back at $0.50? :biggrin:
What?! That's a great idea! Fuck the PAP for implementing cooling measures to cool off the resale prices! Fuck, now i have to postpone my retirement plan and continue to pay the loan of my flat with close to 50% of my monthly installment servicing the interest! :oIo::biggrin:
 
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B Man

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

I think the word is perceived millionaire. Unless you are one of those that bought the HDB in the 80s or earlier, there is little chance of making money from selling the HDB.


get real people..
Do u guys really want your pigeon hole price to fall?
if it falls, you will then again start to curse the miw for letting the price fall.

i ask you a simple question.
what do you prefer? buying a HDB at 500k and sell it for 450K after 10 years or
paying 500K for a flat now and sell it for 1 mil years later ?

be grateful, the pappies are making you into millionaires, which you guys otherwise will never have the chance to be one.
with the profit you made, you can then consider moving to another country to retire comfortably.
 

chonburifc

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

one of my passive income is from the rentals of my 'almost 50year old 3 room pigeonhole'. in fact, this is my current 'private room money'. and trust me, it's very very good income considering what i have invested and what i am getting now.

right now, i am only using this to recover back my cpf money. yeah. this is the only way. if anyone got anyway to recover back cpf money, i like to listen.
 

chonburifc

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

I think the word is perceived millionaire. Unless you are one of those that bought the HDB in the 80s or earlier, there is little chance of making money from selling the HDB.
buy but rent out. if possible stay with parents. nothing shameful. last time families 8,9,10 also can stay in 1-2 room pigeonhole.
nothing shameful. only young people thinl must have 2 person world arw the biggest loser.
 

I_Hate_Pappies

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Re: No logical reason why prices of 99-year leasehold properties will continue to go

one of my passive income is from the rentals of my 'almost 50year old 3 room pigeonhole'. in fact, this is my current 'private room money'. and trust me, it's very very good income considering what i have invested and what i am getting now.

right now, i am only using this to recover back my cpf money. yeah. this is the only way. if anyone got anyway to recover back cpf money, i like to listen.

Renounce your citizenship.
 
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