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Indian Govt Officials say SG is unfair to their nationals working here

alternativemediarocks

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Indian Govt Officials say SG is unfair to their nationals working here

Ridiculous if you ask me. The old man must be turning in his grave or at least the Pink man hopes it will happen soon. BTW. the foreign affairs minister made this deal. Who is the foreign affairs minister? hmmmmmm

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Indian govt officials "irked" by Singapore govt not giving preferential treatment for Indian nationals in job market as agreed in bilateral economic pact.

"According to Indian officials involved in the negotiations, this is a violation of the services trade agreement under CECA. This will also adversely affect Indians who are working there as it might lead to job losses, especially for the middle level workers."

http://www.business-standard.com/art...1700123_1.html
 

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tell the Indian PM don't wayang lah........why worry about a percentage of the 0.2m here when he has 1.2b to worry at home...
 

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I already posted this in some other thread. Singapore is not the only country that have these terms enacted on them. Look what happen when Swiss tries to negotiate an FTA with India.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Free_trade_dream_meets_biggest_challenge.html?cid=31875882

witzerland’s strategy of brokering individual free trade agreements (FTAs) may not be enough to crack open the booming economies of China, India and Russia.
And if the World Trade Organization (WTO) fails to make progress on the most pressing problems this month, Switzerland may join forces with powerful economies to tackle issues which it cannot hope to solve alone.
While Switzerland has successfully developed a web of FTAs, with many like-minded countries around the world, the biggest developing economies present a new set of challenges that threaten to seriously limit the scope of any new deals.

Some observers believe Switzerland is too lightweight to overcome such hurdles as human rights issues, intellectual property disputes, opaque governance structures and protectionism.

“Switzerland is negotiating with very big trading partners who will feel no compulsion to make substantial concessions to Swiss interests,” Simon Evenett, professor of international trade and economic development at St Gallen University, told swissinfo.ch.

“I can’t imagine India or China giving Switzerland a particularly innovative deal. It might look good on paper, but I can hardly see them creating many jobs in Switzerland.”
Bar raised

Swiss exports to FTA partners grow twice as fast as with other countries while companies save SFr420 million ($443 million) in customs duties a year, according to the State Secretariat for Economic Affairs (Seco).

Switzerland has recently raised the bar by opening negotiations with the world’s most dynamic economies – China, India and the customs union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

But as the rewards start to rise, so do the problems. The dream of securing an FTA with India before state elections are held there in 2012 are fading fast.

One of the main sticking points is the demand of Swiss pharmaceutical companies for patent protection against India’s generic drugs firms. Opponents have argued this would make medicines too expensive for poorer Indian patients.
Union opposition

On the other side of the bargaining table, India wants Switzerland to grant more work visas for service sector professionals, particularly in the IT industry. Swiss trade unions are afraid this could lead to an influx of cheaper workers.

“We cannot accept workers from other countries undercutting wages here,” Travail Suisse’s Denis Torche told swissinfo.ch. “We have already seen examples of wage dumping since Switzerland opened its borders to EU workers, and we do not want that to increase.”


Swiss negotiators are also compelled to demand that partner countries adhere to minimum human rights and environmental standards – a particular problem for doing business in China.

At the 2011 World Economic Forum in Davos, Chinese Trade Minister Chen Deming warned of a “delay in the negotiation process” if Switzerland pushed too hard on human rights.

Russia’s recent accession to the WTO - aided in part by Swiss sponsorship – has raised hopes of economic reform in the country, but with a degree of scepticism.

Russia has enacted more protectionist trade measures than any other country since 2008, according to the economic monitoring body Global Trade Alert (GTA).
Plurilateral path

Observers, including GTA leading light Simon Evenett, believe the WTO will have a tough task making Russia eliminate trade barriers, let alone Switzerland. “It is unclear whether Russia will stick to the rules,” he told swissinfo.ch. “I expect them to be a tough partner in terms of compliance.”

While FTAs benefit certain exporters - such as machine builders, watch makers and the pharmaceutical sector – Evenett believes that multilateral WTO trade negotiations would pack a far heavier punch if progress could be made.

But the 153 WTO members have failed to reach consensus on many issues, bogging down the Doha round of negotiations ten years after it was launched.

The impasse has led to talk of a group of frustrated nations breaking away from the Doha talks to launch fast track plurilateral negotiations. This new process promises faster and further-reaching progress on such issues as government procurement and coordination of customs regulation.

“The bilateral approach is good for a few select industries but if you want to advance serious Swiss commercial interests the plurilateral approach is the best route open,” Evenett told swissinfo.ch.

Ambassador Luzius Wasescha, Switzerland’s permanent representative to the WTO, said he was keeping an open mind about joining a plurilateral fast track. A decision would only be taken after WTO ministerial talks in January, he told swissinfo.ch.

“Switzerland’s preferred option is to proceed in talks with all WTO members,” he said. “But if there is little appetite to change the current agenda and move ahead then we would consider taking the less popular option.”

“Plurilateral talks are not a panacea for all things, but they might solve problems in one or two areas,” he added.

The fucking pundeks are also enacting the same terms for the Swiss. Why is India's unemployment the responsibility of other nations?
 

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ChaoPappyPoodle was right all along. The fucking Indian govt is taking us for a ride. Due to its own incompetency in creating jobs for its own AhNehs, it is pushing the buck to other countries, and of course, our PAP govt is too fucking stupid to realise that India only wants to push away its unemployed Indians while not opening their markets to Singapore businesses.
 
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Fuckin Pundeks are dictating their terms, behaving like spoilt Maharajahs..

They are baring their Cobra fangs.. Their famous arrogance is there for all to see..

We have already see these sort of arrogant behaviour shown by the FT Pundeks and their families staying in Spore..

The rot starts at the top.. Their top Govt officials are fucktards.. Their citizens workin in other countries are fucktards too..
 

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One interesting and true story which happened on cooling off day in GE11.

After spending millions of tax payers' money on the famous "SOE Project" which re-organised IT services/infrastructure handled by ah nehs, the PMO's email system crashed that important day.

Pap still dare to trust ah nehs "talents"? wahahhahahahahahahaa
 

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The Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement will enhance ties between both countries by speeding up the already growing flows of trade, investment and people.
Since the talks kicked off back in 2003, trade between Singapore and India has doubled totalling US$7 billion (S$11.8 billion) last year.
These figures are expected to be given a boost when the agreement takes effect from August 1st.

Under it, three-quarters of Singapore's exports to India will face zero or substantially reduced tariffs, making them cheaper and more attractive to Indian consumers.
Indian imports will also enter Singapore duty-free.
This agreement with India will give Singapore an added momentum to position itself as a free trade hub and for India to leverage on that role.


Lee Hsien Loong, Singapore Prime Minister, said: "There'll be many opportunities for our business people on both sides to take advantage of the doors which will open up, the investments, the trade, the tourism, the movements of people, professionals. I think the opportunities are open, the sky is the limit."

http://www.sangam.org/articles/view2/?uid=1104
 

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India-Singapore
Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement


Negotiations for the India - Singapore Comprehensive Economic
Cooperation Agreement (CECA) were launched on 27 May 2003 in New
Delhi. The launch of negotiations followed the signing of the Declaration of
Intent on 8 April 2003 by BG(NS) George Yeo, then Minister for Trade and
Industry, and Shri Arun Jaitley, then Minister for Commerce and Industry,
India. The signing of the Declaration of Intent was witnessed by then Prime
Minister Mr Goh Chok Tong, and then Prime Minister of India, Shri Atal
Bihari Vajpayee.

app-stg.mti.gov.sg/data/article/116/doc/FTA_CECA_Information kit.pdf
 

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One interesting and true story which happened on cooling off day in GE11.

After spending millions of tax payers' money on the famous "SOE Project" which re-organised IT services/infrastructure handled by ah nehs, the PMO's email system crashed that important day.

Pap still dare to trust ah nehs "talents"? wahahhahahahahahahaa

Don't forget the outage of DBS/POSB's online services. The back offices of banks are infested with the shitskins.
 

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See why Georgie Yeo was the right man? At least he was pro-China Shamu is pro Indian

Pap are all scums Georgie or not!

On the face they play good cop bad cop

Behind they closed ranks and stay united ALL for the big money rewards!

Again at your expense!

Like this case, they might act as though in public news they had renegated on the agreement with the Ah neh but

Behind they assure the ah neh that was agreed earlier will proceed as such.

You are screwed!
 
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It was a mistake to sign any form of trade agreement with India to begin with.

The only useful thing that India offers are cheap prescription medicine from its pharmaceutical companies (e.g. Ranbaxy).

Other than that, it is more or less an asymmetrical trade partnership, with Singapore standing to lose more.

At least with China, Capitaland could go there and build its malls and condos. There is demand.

It didn't work with India.

CapitaLand to reassess investments in India, Mideast and London
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporebusinessnews/view/1245847/1/.html
 

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It was a mistake to sign any form of trade agreement with India to begin with.
with Singapore standing to lose more.


BANGALORE: The ban on foreign defence contractors, from bidding for defence contracts in the country for 10 years, will affect the Indian military adversely in its bid to arm itself with superior technology from overseas, according to experts.

The companies placed on the blacklist are Israel Military Industries (IMI), Singapore Technologies Kinetics, Rheinmetall Air Defence Zurich, Corporation Defence Russia, T.S. Kisan & Co (India) and R.K. Machine Tools (India), according to a report from Ha'aretz.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-08-09/india/33117839_1_defence-firms-corporation-defence-russia-singapore-technologies-kinetics
 

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ChaoPappyPoodle was right all along. The fucking Indian govt is taking us for a ride. Due to its own incompetency in creating jobs for its own AhNehs, it is pushing the buck to other countries, and of course, our PAP govt is too fucking stupid to realise that India only wants to push away its unemployed Indians while not opening their markets to Singapore businesses.
I think the indian plan is more far reaching. The idea is to populate indians in companies all over the world, and this will enable more hiring of their own kind in the infiltrated companies. Gradually, these indians working in foreign countries will influence the decision makers to outsource work to india, as well as to set up offices in india.

This is india's idea of reverse colonisation, adn the accidental trial started with UK about 3 decades ago which has been very successful.
 

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yes India is actually demanding many developed countries in this world to employ their useless people as workers.

obviously, their government is so incompetent that they can't solve the country's unemployment and overpopulation problems, and they have the "bright idea" of outsourcing these problems to other countries through trade agreements :rolleyes:

what a parasitic country this is
 

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I think the indian plan is more far reaching. The idea is to populate indians in companies all over the world, and this will enable more hiring of their own kind in the infiltrated companies. Gradually, these indians working in foreign countries will influence the decision makers to outsource work to india, as well as to set up offices in india.

This is india's idea of reverse colonisation, adn the accidental trial started with UK about 3 decades ago which has been very successful.

yes India is actually demanding many developed countries in this world to employ their useless people as workers.

obviously, their government is so incompetent that they can't solve the country's unemployment and overpopulation problems, and they have the "bright idea" of outsourcing these problems to other countries through trade agreements :rolleyes:

what a parasitic country this is


Companies ruined or almost ruined by Indian labor

written by Wakjob , May 27, 2011


Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
Circuit City - Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
Deloitte - 2010 - this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
Dell - call center (closed in India)
Delta call centers (closed in India)
Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
Qantas - See AirBus above
Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
SAP - Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
State of Texas failed IBM project.
Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
UK's NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
United - call center (closed in India)
Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

I could post the whole list here but I don't want to crash any servers.
 
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ChaoPappyPoodle was right all along. The fucking Indian govt is taking us for a ride. Due to its own incompetency in creating jobs for its own AhNehs, it is pushing the buck to other countries, and of course, our PAP govt is too fucking stupid to realise that India only wants to push away its unemployed Indians while not opening their markets to Singapore businesses.

Thank you bro. I have been mentioning about the relationship between the FTAs and the population influx for at least two years but never got much mileage. Thanks to the idiots who thought up of the White Paper, the info that the masses need to know are now reaching them.

But let us not forget about the other FTAs with Philippines and China. The issues with the India FTA also exist with FTAs with these two countries.

More to read about Thailand's experience while negotiating an FTA with India - http://www.asianewsnet.net/news-40269.html

To vote out the PAPzis in GE2016, we need a vote swing of 20%. This Population White Paper has opened up a can of worms that I feel even the PAPzis cannot fight against. The trust between Singaporeans and the PAPzis will not only whittle away but be severely broken. Thus, opening a door in GE2016.

The plan now must be to continually press the 'Indian front' and standby with news on the FTS with Philippines and China even though I have a suspicion that any trade deals with Myanmar will also include similar clauses for labour mobility.
 
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