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wuqi256

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Yes, I think money grow small very fast, when old need to have one house to live and one house (at least) to rent out for income during retirement to hedge inflation.

About the lunch, thank you for your kind gesture, appreciate it very much. Perhaps some other time.

Yes, appreciation in properties does counter inflation well to a certain extent. One also need to have other investments but though property is pretty illiquid, it does come back after each cycle.

No worries, its actually meant for both you and sis Crystal together as a thank you to old forummers. (not meant for separate 1 on 1) Hope no one misunderstands, definitely not a "xian chao bor" exercise.
 

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Agree with you Wuqi. Buy with the purpose of staying. The max leverage works back then but not so advisable now as the price is higher now and is always safe to buy within own means and own stay won't goes wrong.

Yes, if for own stay, buy the biggest you can REASONABLY afford for yourself. If its a mixed bag, buy a larger unit and then get the smallest one that you think will have a better cost versus yield ratio. If its just for investment, either buy the largest or buy small but buy multiple units especially if you are confident of the market.
 

wuqi256

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Made a few threads sticky including emergency numbers, events/new developments as well as crimewatch so that it becomes easy to refer.
 

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You would need to arrange with the sales folks in advance.
Yes i would think just go to East Ledang for them to make their choice. About 2.6m a couple of months ago,hope that the prices are still the same.

Hi Wuqi,

East Ledang's current bungalows are already priced at RM3.5 mil to RM4.1 mil (all with swimming pool).
No show unit for viewing.
 
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Mega wow! That's on how big the land?

I don't know how they sell the present bungalows as there is;
No info in their website,
No info in their FB,
No info of Noble Park from Google search.

I received their invitation and got the brochure from their sales office.
 

wuqi256

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Hi Wuqi,

East Ledang's current bungalows are already priced at RM3.5 mil to RM4.1 mil (all with swimming pool).
No show unit for viewing.

Hi Investor,
I should have made it clear as i was answering Aragorn's post, the 2.6m refers to the HH bungalow, not EL. I was just asking
him to check in EL and also to answer his question on HH bungalow.
 

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wuqi256 said:
You would need to arrange with the sales folks in advance.
Yes i would think just go to East Ledang for them to make their choice. About 2.6m a couple of months ago,hope that the prices are still the same.

Thanks.

Anyway my friends are just looking around - they are not looking at buying a property. But they are certainly impressed with the developments in JB.
 

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Wow been busy celebrating and I came back to see the 3rd instalment of this LIJB! Kudos to all forummers who hv contributed esp Bro Wuqi. Ok gtg to work. Still feeling the hol blues.
 

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Would Legoland Boost the Real Estate Prices in Iskandar?

Would Legoland Boost the Real Estate Prices in Iskandar?

Certainly so if going by this report....

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Amusement parks boost real estate market

Nearby apartments, hotels prove profitable for project developers. -China Daily/ANN

Tue, Aug 21, 2012
China Daily/Asia News Network

A samba dancer interacts with visitors at the Happy Valley amusement park in Beijing in July.
When visiting a theme park in China, listen for the shrieks as the roller coasters whiz past and the bumper cars collide.

Chances are, the loudest such screams of joy are from the investors.

Amusement parks are a booming business in China. But although attractions are springing up nationwide, industry insiders say the trend has less to do with tapping the thrill-seeker market and more to do with securing prime real estate.

Theme parks in Asia sold a combined 103.3 million tickets last year, one-third of the total in the world and second only to those sold in North America (127 million), according to AECOM, a consultancy firm in Hong Kong.

And unlike the US, East Asia is seeing a growing number of new attractions.

Chris Yoshii, an analyst for AECOM, told USA Today recently that almost a third of China's 2,500-plus theme parks have opened within the past two years, with the total number expected to surpass that of the US by 2020.

However, a 2010 study by the firm found that at least 70 per cent of these attractions are actually losing money, with the real profits coming from adjacent projects.

Feng Yuguo, secretary-general of the China Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions, said that fact doesn't worry investors.

"Many investors don't mind losing money operating theme parks, since the sales of tickets and food make up only a very small percentage of their profits," Feng said.

"The major part comes from the adjacent commercial and residential developments, including apartments, villas and hotels."

Profit model

Victory Kingdom in Tianjin, which borders Beijing, has made 20 million yuan (S$3.94 million) since opening its doors on July 7.

Yu Gui Garden Investment Group, a real estate developer from Guangdong province, invested 3 billion yuan in the project. Yet an insider who did not want to be identified said the villas and hotels now under construction nearby are expected to turn a bigger profit, and faster.

"Many foreign-funded enterprises have settled in the area in recent years, as it was made an economic and technological development zone in 1991," said Wang Zhen, the park's publicity officer.

The zone has led to 90 billion yuan being invested in the past two decades and an influx of 1,200 enterprises from 50 countries and regions, creating about 125,000 jobs.

"As transportation gets more convenient, we believe we will get more visitors in the future than the 150,000 we received in the first month," Wang said.

He added that the second phase of the park, which is twice the size of the part already open to the public, is scheduled to open next year.

As Victory Kingdom brings an influx of people ready to part with their hard-earned money, industry analyst Shao Gang predicted the zone will enjoy boom times over the next five years, with hotels, shopping malls and restaurants soon arriving to get a piece of the action.

"Many (developers) are trying the same model," the deputy director of EntGroup Consultants in Beijing said. "They buy land at a relatively low price to build a theme park and then erect adjoining apartments and hotels."

Unlike residential developments, the restrictions imposed by the State Council to cool the "hot" property market do not apply to projects classified as cultural or for entertainment purposes.

As this is the case, theme parks have become attractive investments to major real estate companies.

Roundabout course

Traditionally, funding for adventure parks has come from established industry players, such as Overseas Chinese Town Group and Shenzhen Huaqiang Holdings, or multinational entertainment groups, such as Walt Disney Co, which is set to open its first theme park on the Chinese mainland, in Shanghai, in 2015.

However, largely due to the nation's housing market restrictions, about one-third of China's top 100 property developers have now entered the tourism real estate sector, including industry giants Vanke and Wanda, according to China Venture Group, a research and consulting company.

According to 5u588.com, a Chinese tourism-industry information website, 70 tourism real estate projects have already been signed this year, with a total investment of 260 billion yuan. That figure is expected to surpass 1 trillion yuan by December.

To prevent companies getting around the restrictions, however, Beijing city authorities in August last year banned the construction of new theme parks over a certain size.

The move prompted the cancellation of many projects in the capital, Shao added.

Making profits from commercial and residential developments "is something that everyone in this industry knows", said an employee of an amusement park in Tianjin who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"Parks require a lot of funding and have high operating costs, so it can take a long time for investors to recoup their money," he said.

And not all of them do.

According to Shao, many theme parks built in the early 2000s have gone bankrupt, with the properties failing to sell at dozens of auctions over the past seven years.

"The development of the theme parks in China has taken a roundabout course, especially in the early years," said Feng from the China Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions. "Although some theme parks are operating well and making some money, like Happy Valley, many are still in debt."

An increase in theme parks is good news for thrill-seekers, but Feng said investors need to be prudent, to avoid finding themselves on a financial roller coaster.

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Asia/Story/A1Story20120821-366537.html

Source: Copyright ©2011 Singapore Press Holdings Ltd. Co. Regn. No. 198402868E. All rights reserved.

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You would need to arrange with the sales folks in advance.
Yes i would think just go to East Ledang for them to make their choice. About 2.6m a couple of months ago,hope that the prices are still the same.

i believe 2.6m are those inner bungalow...does not have any golf views...land around 7000sqft with builtup around 4800sqft
 

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I was at Legoland too, later will post some photos in the photo thread.

Bought day pass at Jusco, promo price Rm96 for adult, Rm70 for senior citizen (above 60).[/QUOTE


I really regret not getting the Legoland annual pass now...recommended it to frens and colleagues and all of them bought it...
 

wuqi256

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Public announcement service - Please remember to belt up even at the back seats regardless of whether you are in SG, MY or any other country for that matter.

There was an accident recently by a forummer and he was injured in the knee and his car had to be scrapped. I recommended him a clinic nearby to change his dressing daily and he was just glad they didn't charge him extra for odd hours on public holidays.
 

wuqi256

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i believe 2.6m are those inner bungalow...does not have any golf views...land around 7000sqft with builtup around 4800sqft

Yes, those are the ones. We went to have a look at Legoland as well, nice and they have lots of mascots there, green dragon and red lego brick. Bought some stuff for family, not cheap though but it was really nice. Some of the lego ideas were hilarious and interesting. Son was so eager to look at everything, only thing was the road in was a bit long as was the walk to the main entrance but at least the walk was sheltered so it wasn't that bad. Saw the rides being tested and my wife was impressed by the scale of the place especially when viewed up front and personal. Nice. :smile:
 

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Re: Would Legoland Boost the Real Estate Prices in Iskandar?

Would Legoland Boost the Real Estate Prices in Iskandar?

Certainly so if going by this report....

-------------------------------------------------------------

Amusement parks boost real estate market

Nearby apartments, hotels prove profitable for project developers. -China Daily/ANN

Tue, Aug 21, 2012
China Daily/Asia News Network

A samba dancer interacts with visitors at the Happy Valley amusement park in Beijing in July.
When visiting a theme park in China, listen for the shrieks as the roller coasters whiz past and the bumper cars collide.

Chances are, the loudest such screams of joy are from the investors.

Amusement parks are a booming business in China. But although attractions are springing up nationwide, industry insiders say the trend has less to do with tapping the thrill-seeker market and more to do with securing prime real estate.

Theme parks in Asia sold a combined 103.3 million tickets last year, one-third of the total in the world and second only to those sold in North America (127 million), according to AECOM, a consultancy firm in Hong Kong.

And unlike the US, East Asia is seeing a growing number of new attractions.

Chris Yoshii, an analyst for AECOM, told USA Today recently that almost a third of China's 2,500-plus theme parks have opened within the past two years, with the total number expected to surpass that of the US by 2020.

However, a 2010 study by the firm found that at least 70 per cent of these attractions are actually losing money, with the real profits coming from adjacent projects.

Feng Yuguo, secretary-general of the China Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions, said that fact doesn't worry investors.

"Many investors don't mind losing money operating theme parks, since the sales of tickets and food make up only a very small percentage of their profits," Feng said.

"The major part comes from the adjacent commercial and residential developments, including apartments, villas and hotels."

Profit model

Victory Kingdom in Tianjin, which borders Beijing, has made 20 million yuan (S$3.94 million) since opening its doors on July 7.

Yu Gui Garden Investment Group, a real estate developer from Guangdong province, invested 3 billion yuan in the project. Yet an insider who did not want to be identified said the villas and hotels now under construction nearby are expected to turn a bigger profit, and faster.

"Many foreign-funded enterprises have settled in the area in recent years, as it was made an economic and technological development zone in 1991," said Wang Zhen, the park's publicity officer.

The zone has led to 90 billion yuan being invested in the past two decades and an influx of 1,200 enterprises from 50 countries and regions, creating about 125,000 jobs.

"As transportation gets more convenient, we believe we will get more visitors in the future than the 150,000 we received in the first month," Wang said.

He added that the second phase of the park, which is twice the size of the part already open to the public, is scheduled to open next year.

As Victory Kingdom brings an influx of people ready to part with their hard-earned money, industry analyst Shao Gang predicted the zone will enjoy boom times over the next five years, with hotels, shopping malls and restaurants soon arriving to get a piece of the action.

"Many (developers) are trying the same model," the deputy director of EntGroup Consultants in Beijing said. "They buy land at a relatively low price to build a theme park and then erect adjoining apartments and hotels."

Unlike residential developments, the restrictions imposed by the State Council to cool the "hot" property market do not apply to projects classified as cultural or for entertainment purposes.

As this is the case, theme parks have become attractive investments to major real estate companies.

Roundabout course

Traditionally, funding for adventure parks has come from established industry players, such as Overseas Chinese Town Group and Shenzhen Huaqiang Holdings, or multinational entertainment groups, such as Walt Disney Co, which is set to open its first theme park on the Chinese mainland, in Shanghai, in 2015.

However, largely due to the nation's housing market restrictions, about one-third of China's top 100 property developers have now entered the tourism real estate sector, including industry giants Vanke and Wanda, according to China Venture Group, a research and consulting company.

According to 5u588.com, a Chinese tourism-industry information website, 70 tourism real estate projects have already been signed this year, with a total investment of 260 billion yuan. That figure is expected to surpass 1 trillion yuan by December.

To prevent companies getting around the restrictions, however, Beijing city authorities in August last year banned the construction of new theme parks over a certain size.

The move prompted the cancellation of many projects in the capital, Shao added.

Making profits from commercial and residential developments "is something that everyone in this industry knows", said an employee of an amusement park in Tianjin who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"Parks require a lot of funding and have high operating costs, so it can take a long time for investors to recoup their money," he said.

And not all of them do.

According to Shao, many theme parks built in the early 2000s have gone bankrupt, with the properties failing to sell at dozens of auctions over the past seven years.

"The development of the theme parks in China has taken a roundabout course, especially in the early years," said Feng from the China Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions. "Although some theme parks are operating well and making some money, like Happy Valley, many are still in debt."

An increase in theme parks is good news for thrill-seekers, but Feng said investors need to be prudent, to avoid finding themselves on a financial roller coaster.

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Asia/Story/A1Story20120821-366537.html

Source: Copyright ©2011 Singapore Press Holdings Ltd. Co. Regn. No. 198402868E. All rights reserved.

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Thank you Fund Transfer for sharing the above.

Some members have been wondering/doubting how a theme park can push property prices nearby.
My own explanation here so far is definitely not convincing to many since it's based on my own opinion.
Luckily, the above article highlighted that starting a place with theme park is already a proven method to push property prices up.
 
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Re: Would Legoland Boost the Real Estate Prices in Iskandar?

Wah! Read all the postings from where I left off last week. Very 'mak siab' already.

Anyway, nice photo on legoland in 'Johor General Pics'. Thanks to Gin for the contributions. :smile:
 
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