What Subhas' tactic should be in underage prostitute trial

[Papsmearer]

From what I can determine so far:

1) This girl was not cheap, and her clientele reflects that. There were angmo FT executives, wealthy people, etc.
2) Some one kept detailed records. Either her pimp or herself kept such a detailed list of clients that the AG was able to bring about the prosecution of over 80 of them.
3) This is more a political show trial than a trial based on hard evidence and burden of proof. I say this because it would be real egg on the face of the AG if the judge threw out the cases through lack of evidence. SO, these men, innocent or not are going to be found guilty.

If I were him, and to save his clients, I would put not only the girl on the stand but also the police investigator and the pimp. I would ask to see the entire clients list or black book that has to be somewhere, rather than just the pages that showed his client's name. What is the bet that on the list of customers that this girl serviced included judges, people in the AG chambers, politicians, SAF high ranking officers, high ranking civil servants, etc. Or their family members. I bet you that there are people that she has serviced that are well known and public figures. By threatening to expose these people through interogation of the people mentioned above , Subhas will make sure the trial goes his way. Or he will be dead. LOL. The establishment will not let itself be embarassed this way.

 

[wikiphile]

The value of this damn trial is not trying to show that we still have laws, enforcement and the courts but more damn propaganda. Why the hell are criminal cases like this making headlines on that shitty paper call the ST. Oh wait, to excite and get the public wet. `Nuff said

 

[Nice-Gook]

I have a very strong suspicion that this is an entrapment of sorts.It may not have began that way.....but somewhere along --the possibility of netting big fishes unfolded.And some ambitious police officers may have stretched the game a wee bit more.With the girlie as the accomplice.

Over 80 documented cases is too much to swallow.

 

[cocobobo]

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[NoNewsGood]

The client just need to say I f*ck someone but it is not that underage girl.

Seriously, can the underage prostitute confirm or even remember whether the guy in the dock is one of her many customers?

 

[jw5]

I would ask to see the entire clients list or black book that has to be somewhere, rather than just the pages that showed his client's name.

Haha, u wish.
Haven't u ever done photocopying of a page, where u use white paper to cover the top and/or the bottom, leaving only
the middle part which u want photocopied?
Perhaps this was what was done here, whether literally or figuratively.

Btw, could be that the pimp has the records but the hotel rooms were booked in the client's names.
Unlikely that the pimp would book and have to pay for the hotel rooms.
Hence the police would have got the timing from the pimp and the clients' details from the hotels.

 

[lianbeng]

lianbeng wonders if he also 1 of her clients.

 

[kingrant]

Subhas already indebted eternally to PAP govt so wld not want to offend them by doing anything not according to script.

From what I can determine so far:

1) This girl was not cheap, and her clientele reflects that. There were angmo FT executives, wealthy people, etc.
2) Some one kept detailed records. Either her pimp or herself kept such a detailed list of clients that the AG was able to bring about the prosecution of over 80 of them.
3) This is more a political show trial than a trial based on hard evidence and burden of proof. I say this because it would be real egg on the face of the AG if the judge threw out the cases through lack of evidence. SO, these men, innocent or not are going to be found guilty.

If I were him, and to save his clients, I would put not only the girl on the stand but also the police investigator and the pimp. I would ask to see the entire clients list or black book that has to be somewhere, rather than just the pages that showed his client's name. What is the bet that on the list of customers that this girl serviced included judges, people in the AG chambers, politicians, SAF high ranking officers, high ranking civil servants, etc. Or their family members. I bet you that there are people that she has serviced that are well known and public figures. By threatening to expose these people through interogation of the people mentioned above , Subhas will make sure the trial goes his way. Or he will be dead. LOL. The establishment will not let itself be embarassed this way.

 

[Sir_Fcuk]

Subhas will make sure the trial goes his way. Or he will be dead. LOL. The establishment will not let itself be embarassed this way.

Subhas has been around for a long time. Not well liked, but he is a survivor. Not so easy to finish him off. Besides, he can be quite entertaining. People like him are dime a dozen in the USA

 

[Papsmearer]

The value of this damn trial is not trying to show that we still have laws, enforcement and the courts but more damn propaganda. Why the hell are criminal cases like this making headlines on that shitty paper call the ST. Oh wait, to excite and get the public wet. `Nuff said

That is correct, and what I suspect too. Singapore has been under pressure by world org. about human trafficking, an dthis show trial is probably set up to show the world they are doing something about it.

 

[Papsmearer]

I have a very strong suspicion that this is an entrapment of sorts.It may not have began that way.....but somewhere along --the possibility of netting big fishes unfolded.And some ambitious police officers may have stretched the game a wee bit more.With the girlie as the accomplice.

Over 80 documented cases is too much to swallow.

In that case, than the police are the pimp. No wonder there is very little mention of the pimp and I wonder why he is not charged for living of the avails of a minor, etc. If the police were running a sting operation using the girl as bait, than they are also in the wrong because she is a minor. They are supposed to employ a young looking officer and have her pretend to be a minor, not use an actual real minor who is a civilian.

 

[Papsmearer]

The client just need to say I f*ck someone but it is not that underage girl.

Seriously, can the underage prostitute confirm or even remember whether the guy in the dock is one of her many customers?

This is exactly my whole point. She serviced hundreds, maybe thousands of men, and can so chun chun remember at least 80 of them? Wah lau, she will be a straight A student in O levels with that kind of memory. Furthermore, I am sure the hotel room had dim lighting, and maybe she was fucked doggy style, so how to memorize the face and name?

Subhas should just bring out a collage of 20 photos of various men. The collage should have maybe 2 or 3 of his clients and the rest are just faces, and ask her to pick out the men who are his clients and give him their names. I doubt she can pick out his clients from the anonymous men, much less link 80 faces to 80 names 100% of the time.

 

[Papsmearer]

Haha, u wish.
Haven't u ever done photocopying of a page, where u use white paper to cover the top and/or the bottom, leaving only
the middle part which u want photocopied?
Perhaps this was what was done here, whether literally or figuratively.

Btw, could be that the pimp has the records but the hotel rooms were booked in the client's names.
Unlikely that the pimp would book and have to pay for the hotel rooms.
Hence the police would have got the timing from the pimp and the clients' details from the hotels.

Bro, if never fucked 'hos before, don't talk cock here. Pimps especially like to book a room for the girls. Its much safer for the girls and they are usually in another room nearby in case of trouble. Its also more efficient as the girls do not have to spend time travelling to different hotels to service just one client. Everytime a girl travels to a hotel, there is a risk as to who is behind the door. If they are high end like this one, They usually have some escort that drives her to the clients. All this travel and bodyguard/driver costs the pimp money. Much more efficient for them to hire a room.

If i am the client, I am paying up to $500 per shot with her, and another $250 for the room, WTF, I can get minimum 2 girls for this sort of price.

 

[Papsmearer]

lianbeng wonders if he also 1 of her clients.

Hahaha, Lianbeng I also wonder the same. neber mind, if we get caught, we can still brag we fucked a syt very young girl. LOL

 

[Papsmearer]

Haha, u wish.
Haven't u ever done photocopying of a page, where u use white paper to cover the top and/or the bottom, leaving only
the middle part which u want photocopied?
Perhaps this was what was done here, whether literally or figuratively.

Btw, could be that the pimp has the records but the hotel rooms were booked in the client's names.
Unlikely that the pimp would book and have to pay for the hotel rooms.
Hence the police would have got the timing from the pimp and the clients' details from the hotels.

By the way, hotel records only prove that he booked a hotel, does not prove coitus.

 

[jixiaolan]

What all these guys need to do is to claim that they had problem getting erected, no sex did occur and the money paid was for chitchatting.

 

[Nice-Gook]

What all these guys need to do is to claim that they had problem getting erected, no sex did occur and the money paid was for chitchatting.

You took the words out of my mouth.

And you are not kidding either.It does happens.Anyone who fucks high end prostitutes know that you can call a girlie and reject.Hence her presence with you alone does not prove penetration.

But what I suspect is that the police would have taken statements from accused.Could have called the up for 'routine' investigation.Without revealing the underage aspect.Police could even pretend their statements for prosecuting the pimp only.

As once a senior retired cop told me.Never ever give self incriminating statements.The police will fuck you for sure.

 

[Papsmearer]

You took the words out of my mouth.

And you are not kidding either.It does happens.Anyone who fucks high end prostitutes know that you can call a girlie and reject.Hence her presence with you alone does not prove penetration.

But what I suspect is that the police would have taken statements from accused.Could have called the up for 'routine' investigation.Without revealing the underage aspect.Police could even pretend their statements for prosecuting the pimp only.

As once a senior retired cop told me.Never ever give self incriminating statements.The police will fuck you for sure.

If the police con you into incriminating yourself, on the pretext that they are prosecuting the pimp, that should be entrapment. If you are the subject of their investigation and they don't tell you, I think that is illegal too.

 

[Papsmearer]

What all these guys need to do is to claim that they had problem getting erected, no sex did occur and the money paid was for chitchatting.

That is exactly right. As Scroobal said before, Subhas should just coach them all to say something like:

"Yes, your honour, I was in that hotel room at that hotel on the day the prosecution alleged. However, when I saw how young the girl was, she reminded me of my neice. I could not fornicate her. Instead, I spend the 1 hour with her counselling her to go back to school and donch do prostitution anymore. So, your honour, unless the prosecution has a used condom with my sperm in it, they should fuck off"

 

[Nice-Gook]

That is exactly right. As Scroobal said before, Subhas should just coach them all to say something like:

"Yes, your honour, I was in that hotel room at that hotel on the day the prosecution alleged. However, when I saw how young the girl was, she reminded me of my neice. I could not fornicate her. Instead, I spend the 1 hour with her counselling her to go back to school and donch do prostitution anymore. So, your honour, unless the prosecution has a used condom with my sperm in it, they should fuck off"

Of course,there are other methods that can fuck up the prosecution.

There was this famous senior Malaysian lawyer on video under the Royal Commission of inquiry for fixing a judge.When shown the video with his conversation fixing the judge he said here--' looks looks like me ,sounds like me'-- then added: "I have conducted my own checks and the only way to verify its authenticity is to have the original equipment used to record it and the original recording is produced."


The video-clip was then replayed for the sixth time for Lingam to view it.

Asked by Nordin if he had watched the video clip which was shown to him, he retorted by asking if it was the original clip.

Commission chairman Tan Sri Haidar Mohamed Noor told Lingam to just answer the question.

( lawyer)Lingam: Yes, I have seen it.

(Commission chairman)Nordin: Are you the man talking on the telephone in this video clip?

Lingam: It looks like me.

Nordin: I have to tell you about the facts established by the Commission following the testimonies of the previous witnesses.

Lim Mui Fah (businessman) has confirmed it is you, so has Lim’s son, Lim Gwo Burne, and Datuk Seri Tengku Adnan. Cyber Security’s digital forensics expert Mohd Zabri Adil Talib said the voice in the video clip matched your voice sample. Tun Mohamed Eusoff Chin (former chief justice) also confirmed it sounds like you. The 17 photographs taken also have similar background to that found in your house.

I ask you again, whether the man in the video clip is you?

Lingam: Irrespective of what others said, it looks like me and sounds like me.

I have conducted my own checks and the only way to verify its authenticity is to have the original equipment used to record it and the original recording is produced.

Haidar Are you making a submission here?

Lingam: No, I am only answering the question.

Nordin then showed Lingam the photographs of Lim Mui Fah seated with him on the sofa and asked the lawyer if he knew the person.

Lingam said the picture is not very clear, but it looked like Lim.


He really got them fucked.