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Water On Mar found to be just A DESPERATE FALSE HOPE

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The stupid desperate so called Humanity is like a thirsty dying man looking for water in the desert, and start to have HALLUCINATION and seeing imaginary lake / river full of water.





http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/21/world/mars-water-sand-rsl-study/index.html

Flows of 'water' on Mars may actually be sand, new study reveals
By Ashley Strickland, CNN

Updated 1056 GMT (1856 HKT) November 21, 2017

Photos: Water and seasonal streaks on Mars
Recurring slope lineae (RSL) on Mars are seasonally abundant along the steep slopes of ancient bedrock in the Valles Marineris canyon region. Here, the RSL are depicted as bright fans that extend down the slopes.
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Photos: Water and seasonal streaks on Mars
The RSL appear in places such as the Coprates Chasma ridge, within the Valles Marineris canyon, during the northern summer and southern winter (regarding Mars' poles). They begin as dark streaks and fade over time, sometimes leaving bright streaks that are thought to be salt after the moisture evaporates.
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Photos: Water and seasonal streaks on Mars
Researchers have also noted surprising land slumps in places such as the Melas Chasma and the Valles Marineris canyon. The RSL follow the sun and change with the seasons, but this streak happened to correspond with a topographic slump about 59 feet wide.
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Photos: Water and seasonal streaks on Mars
Based on a new study of RSL, the white arrows on this image show the largest concentration of the seasonal streaks in the Coprates Montes area of the canyon.
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Photos: Water and seasonal streaks on Mars
Water still flows across the surface of Mars from time to time, NASA scientists said in 2015. In the photo above, dark, narrow streaks called recurring slope lineae are seen flowing downhill on Mars. Scientists have inferred that they were formed by contemporary flowing water.
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Photos: Water and seasonal streaks on Mars
Recurring slope lineae emanate out of the walls of the Garni crater on Mars.
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Recurring slope lineae flow down the west-facing slopes of Coprates Chasma, which is in the equatorial region of Mars.
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"The existence of liquid water, even if it is super salty briny water, gives the possibility that if there's life on Mars, that we have a way to describe how it might survive," said John Grunsfeld, associate administrator for the Science Mission Directorate at NASA.
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It remains to be seen whether the new discovery improves the odds of life on Mars, but researcher Mary Beth Wilhelm said the results suggest "more habitable conditions on the near surface of Mars than previously thought."
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Story highlights
  • The flows correlate more with sand on active dunes rather than subsurface water
  • Researchers studies flows at 10 sites
(CNN)Since the discovery of dark streaks on the slopes of Mars in 2011, astronomers have been excited about potential evidence of water beneath the surface of the red planet.

If there are subsurface water flows on Mars, they could allow life -- even on a microbial level -- to exist as well.
But further study of these recurring slope lineae, known as RSL, is revealing something else.
Those dark streaks may be the result of granular flows like sand and dust, according to a study published Monday in the journal Nature Geoscience. The study is the product of a research team made up of representatives from the US Geological Survey, the Planetary Science Institute, the University of Arizona and Durham University in England.
The study is based on observations made with the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment camera on the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.
The RSL have been perplexing scientists since their discovery. Thousands recur during the warmest season on Mars each year, growing longer and darker until they fade in winter. They're found on steep, rocky slopes on the darkest areas of Mars: the equator, the northern plains, the southern mid-latitudes.
New Mars 2020 rover will be able to 'hear' the Red Planet
Their seasonal appearance looked like seeping water. But how would water form only at the tops of such steep slopes -- steeper than 27 degrees? Scientists were puzzled.
Mars also isn't a friendly environment for water. The surface is constantly exposed to a harshly cold, thin atmosphere.
Researchers studied 151 RSL at 10 sites and found all ended at similar points, no matter the length of the slope. If liquid had been involved, there would be longer streaks of liquid on longer slopes. But a closer study of the streaks revealed that they behave just like dry grains of sand on active dunes, all settling at the same "angle of repose."
"We've shown that RSL are likely granular flows, which changes our assessment of what they mean for flowing liquid water on Mars and points to formation processes with little or no liquid," wrote Colin Dundas, lead study author and US Geological Survey scientist, in an email.
Meet the man working with NASA to 3D print a colony on Mars
"The RSL don't flow onto shallower slopes, and the lengths of these are so closely correlated with the dynamic angle of repose, it can't be a coincidence," HiRISE Principal Investigator Alfred McEwen of the University of Arizona, Tucson, a co-author of the new report, said in a statement.
But it doesn't mean Mars is without water completely.
"There's still plenty of other evidence for H2O on Mars," Dundas said. "There is a lot of ice in the subsurface and at the poles, and deliquescent salts can draw water out of the atmosphere and form liquid under some conditions. The rovers have made several discoveries pointing to a range of environments with liquid water in the past, and there are hydrated minerals bound in the rocks. But there may be little liquid at the surface today."
Though this answers some questions about the RSL, others remain.
For instance, one of the reasons scientists believed that water was involved in the RSL was because of the presence of hydrated salts, which include bonded water molecules.
Mars mission astronauts could experience brain damage, study says
But salt can pull water vapor from the atmosphere to become hydrated, according to the study. Seasonal changes in the presence of this water vapor and hydration process could even trigger the RSL, the researchers said. And other properties changing on the surface could account for the darkening that occurs.
That still doesn't answer why the streaks appear on some slopes but not others.
Earth is the only analog we have for Mars, but Mars obviously behaves differently, the researchers said.
"Full understanding of RSL is likely to depend upon on-site investigation of these features," Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Project Scientist Rich Zurek of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory said in a statement.
"While the new report suggests that RSL are not wet enough to favor microbial life, it is likely that on-site investigation of these sites will still require special procedures to guard against introducing microbes from Earth, at least until they are definitively characterized. In particular, a full explanation of how these enigmatic features darken and fade still eludes us. Remote sensing at different times of day could provide important clues."
 

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http://ask.metafilter.com/226956/Be-my-oasis-in-the-desert

Be my oasis in the desert!
October 18, 2012 12:16 PM Subscribe

Looking for first-person accounts of, or other non-fiction writing about, the experience of seeing an oasis mirage in the desert.

I'm doing a bit of research about hallucinations of an oasis (water, etc) in the desert. I have done some searching but am having a hard time finding anything substantive on this topic (other than many delightful scenes from old episodes of Looney Tunes). Can you guys point me towards anything good? A first-person account, a scholarly article about the phenomenon, a scene from a documentary, etc?
posted by Mender to Science & Nature (5 answers total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

TE Laurence talks about mirages a few times in his book.
posted by empath at 12:29 PM on October 18, 2012

You realize you're conflating two different things, right? Hallucinations are a psychological phenomenon; your brain is making you think you see things that aren't there. A mirage is an naturally generated optical illusion caused by light being refracted by hot air, and you can even photograph it.

Have you ever driven on a highway on a hot day, and thought you saw a big puddle of water on the road ahead, but then it vanished when you got close? That was a mirage; the hot air above the road surface reflected the light to create the illusion. If someone is wandering in a desert, they could certainly see the same phenomenon on hot sand and believe it to be water. But the cartoon cliche of an oasis fully equipped with palm trees? That's either exaggeration or a hallucination brought on by exhaustion and dehydration.
posted by Faint of Butt at 1:10 PM on October 18, 2012


I traveled extensively in the eastern Sahara a few years back and definitely experienced the mirage illusion of water as Faint of Butt (!!) describes. But I also had a more hallucinatory vision of lines of cars passing on a long, straight stretch of road. We were in the middle of nowhere, and it was definitely an interesting brain process that unfolded as I experienced the hallucination, gradually grew aware that it was a total misinterpretation of some visual cues, and then tried (and failed) to recreate the misinterpretation.

Also, long trips in the desert are awesome.
posted by BlahLaLa at 1:39 PM on October 18, 2012


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-on-mars-is-drying-up/?utm_term=.3db124f989b0

The case for flowing water on Mars is drying up


By Sarah Kaplan November 20
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A NASA image of Mars from 2015 shows long, dark, narrow streaks called recurring slope lineae, which were inferred to have been formed by contemporary flowing water. New research suggests that the markings might be made by flowing sand. (University of Arizona/Jet Propulsion Laboratory/NASA/AFP)

In 2015, NASA announced that it had “the best evidence yet” for water flowing on the surface of Mars: Dark, apparently damp streaks spotted on the Red Planet contained salts associated with liquid water.

The news had NASA's head of planetary science, Jim Green, imagining future astronauts slurping up the salty sludge as they explored the Red Planet.

“Mark Watney could have taken advantage of this discovery,” he told The Washington Post at the time, referring to the central character of the movie “The Martian.” Others suggested that the streaks might harbor microbial life.

But then U.S. Geological Survey scientists — those notorious crushers of dreams — decided to take a look. In a study published Monday in the journal Nature Geoscience, the USGS says that those promising streaks are merely marks made by flowing sand or dust.

“This new understanding . . . supports other evidence that shows that Mars today is very dry,” lead author Colin Dundas said in a news release.

The finding is the latest disappointment for scientists who hoped that the streaks, technically called “recurring slope lineae,” might indicate that Mars isn't quite the desolate desert wasteland it's commonly made out to be.

While the RSL weren't ever direct evidence of water, they seemed like a strong indicator. Scientists had noticed that the streaks grew and shrank in response to the seasons — almost as if salty water was being heated by the sun and then flowing down ridges and hills. Not only that, but the streaks contained perchlorates — molecules that help water stay liquid over a broader range of temperatures.

But when Dundas and his colleagues examined images of dozens of RSL at multiple sites, they found the “streaks” didn't behave like flowing water. For one thing, they existed only at the tops of very steep slopes. For another, the streaks all seemed to end when their slopes matched the dynamic “angle of repose” — the steepest angle at which a given material can be piled without slumping.

If you've ever tried to build a sand castle, you're familiar with this concept. It's why dry sand — which has a very shallow angle of repose — tends to slide out of shape, but wet sand — with a steeper angle of repose — can be piled into towers and turrets.

“The RSL don't flow onto shallower slopes, and the lengths of these are so closely correlated with the dynamic angle of repose, it can't be a coincidence,” co-author Alfred McEwen of the University of Arizona in Tucson told Phys.org. McEwen is the principle investigator for HiRISE, a camera on the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter that was used to image the RSLs.

The RSL aren't created by water, Dundas and McEwen concluded. Instead, they resemble the markings left by dry grains that slide down the sides of a sad, slumping sand castle.

This doesn't mean there's no water whatsoever in the RSL, they write. The tendency for these streaks to appear in warm seasons, along with the presence of perchlorates, suggest that water might help the streaks form. “However, liquid water volumes may be small or zero,” the authors say.

That fits with a study published last year in the journal Geophysical Research Letters that found the streaks could contain no more than 3 percent liquid water — making them little more than mildly damp, slightly salty dirt.

Mars's weird streaks probably couldn't keep an astronaut alive, and they probably aren't home to tiny alien organisms. But they're still worth studying, McEwen said.

“RSL probably form by some mechanism that is unique to the environment of Mars,” he told Phys.org, “so they represent an opportunity to learn about how Mars behaves, which is important for future surface exploration.”

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https://news.sky.com/story/nasa-discovery-of-water-on-mars-was-actually-sand-11139736

NASA discovery of water on Mars was actually sand

"Liquid water has been found on Mars," declared NASA in 2015 - but new research suggests what they saw was actually sand or dust.

10:57, UK, Thursday 23 November 2017

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Image: The planet Mars taken by the NASA Hubble Space Telescope when the planet was 50 million miles from Earth
An announcement by NASA in 2015 that liquid water had been found on Mars was premature, according to new research.

At a news conference that year, NASA's director of planetary science declared: "Liquid water has been found on Mars."


Scientists reasoned that water must be present on the red planet to explain mysterious darkish streaks that appeared to ebb and flow with the seasons.

However, while there is water on Mars - existing on the polar caps, ground ice, as well as in frosts and hydrated minerals - the evidence suggesting larger volumes of liquid water is ambiguous, according to researchers from the US Geological Survey.

In a new paper published in Nature Geoscience, they claim that Recurring Slope Lineae (RSL) in Eos Chasma, a deep depression on the planet, are "inconsistent with models for water sources".

Image: This HiRISE image cutout shows RSL on Mars in enhanced colour. Pic: NASA/JPL/University of Arizona/USGS
The researchers - working in cooperation with the NASA Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Project - found that the RSL were instead "identical to the slopes of sand dunes where movement is caused by dry granular flows".

"Water almost certainly is not responsible for this behaviour, which would require the volume of liquid to correspond to the length of slope available, producing more liquid on longer slopes.

"Instead, the 151 RSL examined by the study authors all end on similar slopes despite very different lengths."

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When desperately thirsty and dying man seek water in deserts, they often hallucinate their own false sights of water, when there is just sand. NASA is no difference.
 

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all tis searching for another planet to live is just bullshit.
even if those crooks managed to find one ,
who will be migrating there ?
with the current extreme selfish mentality and a barbarous personality
wherever humans go , they just continue to cause destruction.
there is nothing wrong with planet earth
if only human can change their personality and the way of life.
 

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all tis searching for another planet to live is just bullshit.
even if those crooks managed to find one ,
who will be migrating there ?
with the current extreme selfish mentality and a barbarous personality
wherever humans go , they just continue to cause destruction.
there is nothing wrong with planet earth
if only human can change their personality and the way of life.


Generally you are right about :

  1. There is nothing wrong with earth, absolutely true
  2. There is EVERYTHING WONG with Human, and Only Human, not dogs, cats, birds, fish, bugs, cows... none other than Human
  3. Yes if Human could build habitat on planets outside earth, each and every one of these planets are FUCKED & DOOMED!
  4. Yes Human must correct themselves, but too late, not all can survive - if not none!

15,000 scientists from 184 countries already warned repeatedly. Yet ALL (EVERY) fucking politicians are PLAYING DEAF!

But no, I disagree that Barbarism is wrong. In fact it is absolutely right.

The RIGHT MINDED and INTELLIGENT and BRAVE Political Leader should not give a shit to what the people want at all, he should just IMMEDIATELY NUKE AWAY people by Billions, and left with a handful millions. Scientists should help him to make CLEAN 4th gen nuke that leave no radioactive pollution afterwards. Accordingly, 4th Gen nuke can be made any sizes and as tiny as golf ball which take out a city block only. Coverage can be tuned very optimally and just take out exactly what is to be nuked and leaving surrounding intact. Kindness will not help at all, and will just waste more time and more resources and thin out chance for mankind to escape total extinction.
 
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