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Victor Lie: AHPETC trade fairs are about greed!

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AHPETC trade fairs are about greed, not about benefiting shopkeepers & residents in Hougang

In the 25 Dec 2014 ST article “WP-run Town Council fined $800 over unlicensed fair”, Aljunied-Hougang-Punggol East Town Council (AHPETC) Chairman, Ms Sylvia Lim said, “we are unable to organise activities to benefit residents and businesses in the area.”

Do not be fooled by this desperate playing of the “victim card”. The record shows that AHPETC trade fairs have hurt shopkeepers due to high frequency and long duration.

Instead, Ms Lim revealed AHPETC’s true motive when she said, “The town council has also lost a source of revenue to manage its operations.”

It is very clear. AHPETC’s trade fairs are about money. It has little to do with benefiting residents and businesses in the area.

Here is the background.

After AHPETC was formed, it took over common property at Hougang Central and at Kovan where Hougang Mall and Heartland Mall are located respectively. Hougang and Kovan MRT stations there ensure good crowds. It became apparent to AHPETC that it could generate revenue by renting out common property for commercial activities.

The more frequent and the longer the duration, the more money AHPETC gets. AHPETC pockets money from the highest bidder with little risk. The trade fair organiser takes the risk because he has to sublet and rent out the stalls to cover what he paid AHPETC. The stalls often sold items similar to those of the surrounding HDB shopkeepers.

At first, Hougang HDB shopkeepers were friendly and tolerated. As the trade fairs became more frequent and longer,their businesses were affected. They became unhappy. When the shopkeepers complained, AHPETC staff called the police. The issue was reported by the press. AHPETC’s gravy train was derailed.

AHPETC does not want to be restricted from making money by renting out common property for commercial activities.

The NEA trade fair application form states that....
http://www.tremeritus.com/2014/12/27/pap-victor-lye-ahpetc-trade-fairs-are-about-greed/
 

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On Friday (26 Dec), the chairman of PAP’s Bedok Reservoir-Punggol branch, Victor Lye, said that AHPETC trade fairs are about greed and not about benefiting shopkeepers and residents in Hougang (‘PAP’s Victor Lye: AHPETC trade fairs are about greed!‘).

He asked the public not to be fooled by AHPETC desperately playing the “victim card”.

“The record shows that AHPETC trade fairs have hurt shopkeepers due to high frequency and long duration,” he said.

“It is very clear. AHPETC’s trade fairs are about money. It has little to do with benefiting residents and businesses in the area.”

He accused AHPETC of holding frequent and long duration trade fairs at the common property at Hougang Central and Kovan to make money from rental.

“The more frequent and the longer the duration, the more money AHPETC gets. AHPETC pockets money from the highest bidder with little risk. The trade fair organiser takes the risk because he has to sublet and rent out the stalls to cover what he paid AHPETC. The stalls often sold items similar to those of the surrounding HDB shopkeepers,” Mr Lye added.

As the trade fairs became more frequent and longer in duration, the Hougang HDB shopkeepers’ businesses were hurt, he said.

“AHPETC does not want to be restricted from making money by renting out common property for commercial activities.”

Mr Lye also accused AHPETC of disregarding the law and disrespecting civil servants doing their duty.

“In chasing easy money, AHPETC trade fairs have hurt shopkeepers in Hougang. Based on AHPETC’s poor financial management, it appears that every two Aljunied households are paying for one other. Is there a shortfall of funds available to maintain the estate? Can Aljunied residents say the standard of cleanliness is as good as before?” he said.

Mr Lye posed 2 questions to AHPETC:

Are town councils allowed to earn money by renting out common property for commercial activities?
Is AHPETC facing cash flow problems that it must raise funds, but for whom really, and for what purpose?
PAP’s Victor Lye makes sweeping assumptions and defamatory statements

In response to Mr Lye’s questions, Bernard Chen, the secretary of WP’s youth wing posted on his Facebook page [Link] yesterday (27 Dec):

http://www.tremeritus.com/2014/12/28/wp-youth-wing-secretary-replies-to-lyes-2-questions/
 

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Posted what?
 

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Are town councils allowed to earn money by renting out common property for commercial activities?
Is AHPETC facing cash flow problems that it must raise funds, but for whom really, and for what purpose?
PAP’s Victor Lye makes sweeping assumptions and defamatory statements


Dr Tan Cheng Bock wrote about MRT allowing foodstall and canteens to be set up along its tracks at the risk of rats infestation.

Are MRT allowed to make money on this commercial activities..??

What if these rodents chew on the wires and cables causing breakdown in train service.

Then MRT will point the finger to the vendors for not keeping their foodstall clean and free from rats.

Dr. Tan has made a valid point about the rules on one hand on forbidding food and eating on trains and MRT keeping a blind eye in the pursuit of money.
 
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iya...diversion tactic :confused: where is desmond lee :confused:
 

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Put a stop to all this trade fair for both PAP or Grass Loots and Oppositions. This way all shop keepers are happy. lets see who got more to lose.
 

tanwahp

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Victor Lye is the next Koh Poh Koon. The never ending gaffes from him. At least Koh doesn't speak much outside election time, even then he cost PAP one seat. Still not too late for PAP to drop Lye.
 

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Put a stop to all this trade fair for both PAP or Grass Loots and Oppositions. This way all shop keepers are happy. lets see who got more to lose.

too late. a permanent trade fair center is already cumming up in hougang. opposite blocks 8xx.
 

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Victor Lye is the next Koh Poh Koon. The never ending gaffes from him. At least Koh doesn't speak much outside election time, even then he cost PAP one seat. Still not too late for PAP to drop Lye.

PAP will always get their fair share of Jack shit. Including all the not so top notch Minister.
 

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Victor Lye is the next Koh Poh Koon. The never ending gaffes from him. At least Koh doesn't speak much outside election time, even then he cost PAP one seat. Still not too late for PAP to drop Lye.

The PAP still needs these big mouth, confrontational types to stir shit and sow discord. These 'initiators' and 'attack dogs'.

The mainstream media presstitutes will spin it in such a way that they sound credible and reasonable. The 60% will lap it all up.
 

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We have a new clown in town and his name is Victor Lye...
 

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Kill the golden goose in Chinatown first.


Put a stop to all this trade fair for both PAP or Grass Loots and Oppositions. This way all shop keepers are happy. lets see who got more to lose.
 

virus

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Victor Lye is the next Koh Poh Koon. The never ending gaffes from him. At least Koh doesn't speak much outside election time, even then he cost PAP one seat. Still not too late for PAP to drop Lye.

Maybe he is the mole planted by wp inside pap. Both practice infernal affairs. Will he b thrown off n land over a car as kpk conduct his walkabout with sleepy Teo. This will b good movie script.
 

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The problem with a-holes like Victor Lie is that they feel that they are doing the "right" thing, and sleep very well at home.
Wonder how many current MPs will take leave from their jobs and do grassroot work full time like Victor Lie?
 

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lose election why PAP still have a part in the Town Council? Cocked up system.
 

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Victor Lye took over a year's leave from his job to serve the residents of Aljunied. I can't think of any opposition politician who would do something like that. Even the popular Nicole Seah left sinkieland to further her career abroad, and found a new direction in her careeer by becoming a movie actress. What has become of her grassroots work? Is she as dedicated as Victor Lye or Tin Pei Ling?
 

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Desperate, yet feeble attempt to shoot back
 

tanwahp

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Victor Lye took over a year's leave from his job to serve the residents of Aljunied. I can't think of any opposition politician who would do something like that.

I also can't think of any unelected PAP candidate who would do something like that. This is what makes Victor Lye's statements bizarre one after another.

Had he taken paid leave or unpaid leave? If he had taken paid leave, who is paying him. If it is unpaid leave, what is he going to live on. His savings? That makes him either a very rich man, or someone who has side income while he was working.
 

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Fuck the pap. My estate everytime got those fucking trade fairs n noisy etc..how come pap allow such shit? To get more money lah...
 
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