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US Navy still claiming Zumwalt junk the World's #1 Destroyer after killing it de-listed all 3 from service!

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Zumwalt killed US Navy and US Navy also killed Zumwalt. Plain & Simple.

Original plan to make 24 of these expensive and useless junks is canceled before even the 3rd got completed. Until now the 3rd can not be completed, and the 1st 2 had been repeatedly breaking down. These are unimportant, the important thing is it failed because of concept, it is a huge junk destroyer that CAN NOT DESTROY anything but the US Navy! It is poor in hunting submarine, it is poor in warship to warship combat. It is unable to cover the carrier battle group from enemy air and missile attacks especially from Chinese and Russian hypersonic missiles & J-20 / SU-57.

US Navy lost entirely in naval ship design and ship building strategy. Completely lost and failed the whole plot. The speed and power of Chinese Naval development deprive US Navy from returning to their long held position forever, a defeat that is permanent.

They now claimed Zumwalt is a warship focused on attacking ground targets, meaning not it's destroyer role. What they are talking about? They say it good for firing Tomahawks at ground targets like Syrian Airbase. But when 71 out of 131 Tomahawks fired by US Navy were intercepted by Syria using Russian weapons!


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...-intercepted-31-missiles-180414065923075.html




http://parstoday.com/en/news/world-i35749-uss_zumwalt_out_of_service_due_to_malfunction

USS Zumwalt out of service due to malfunction



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    The guided-missile destroyer USS Zumwalt transits Naval Station Mayport Harbor on its way into port in Jacksonville, Florida, October 25, 2016. (Photo by AFP)






The US Navy has been forced to temporarily retire USS Zumwalt, its most advanced warship, due to a major malfunction.

The $4.4 billion guided missile destroyer broke down for unknown reasons on Monday while it was crossing the Panama Canal and remained there for damage assessments.
“The timeline for repairs is being determined now,” US Navy Commander Ryan Perry told CNN in a statement on Wednesday.
He noted that the warship was directed by the commander of the US Third Fleet, Vice Admiral Nora Tyson to stay at ex-Naval Station Rodman in Panama until the cause of the malfunction was determined.
The Zumwalt was on its way to its home port of San Diego, California, where it would join the US Third Fleet and perform missions in the Pacific Ocean.
Debuted in May, the ship introduced a new class of warships that the Pentagon boasted were going to be the most advanced vessels ever built.
The warship features a futuristic angular design, which reportedly makes it 50 times more difficult to detect on radar.
The Zumwalt concept was first picked up by Navy officials over 15 years ago. However, high costs forced the Pentagon to cut down the projected fleet size to 3, much less than the initial 32 ships planned to be built.
According to the General Accounting Office (GAO), the program is expected to cost more than $22 billion.
The project’s sluggish progress along with its rising costs drew criticism from GAO, which complained that the Navy was trying to incorporate too many new technologies into the ship.


http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-dumbed-down-zumwalts-and-their-ammoless-guns

The Navy Is Changing Its Plans for its Dumbed-Down Zumwalts and Their Ammoless Guns
Looking to give the ships a niche, the service now wants them to focus on attacking other ships at sea.
By Joseph TrevithickDecember 5, 2017
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The future USS Michael Monsoor, set to become the U.S. Navy’s second stealthy Zumwalt-class destroyer, is underway for the first time for sea trials. The milestone comes as the service continues to reformulate the role of the ships, now saying they will be focused on attacking surface targets at sea, as well as on land, while the vessels' future seems as uncertain as ever in the face of continuing budget shortfalls and personnel problems.
The second Zumwalt-class ship, also known as DDG-1001, sailed down the Kennebec River in Maine, on its way to the Altantic Ocean from Bath Iron Works (BIW) shipyards, giving journalists and others on the shoreline ample opportunity to grab a peek and take photos of one America’s most advanced warships. The Navy expects to commission the USS Michael Monsoor in 2018. BIW laid down the hull of the third and final ship in the class, the future USS Lyndon B. Johnson, in January 2017.


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Michael Monsoor (DDG-1001) is currently on Builders Trials, testing the hull, mechanical and engineering components of the ship,” Bath Iron Works said in a statement, according to the Portland Press Herald. “While all these systems are tested pier-side, there is no substitute for the real world testing taking place in the Gulf of Maine.”

Getting the second stealthy ship out to sea is an important achievement for both the Navy and BIW. The Zumwalt-class has been controversial to say the least and is the end result of a meandering set of often changing requirements and proposed ship concepts dating back to the 1990s.

The class was originally supposed to consist of 32 ships in total and has shrunk to a planned purchase of just three, with each one having a price tag of $4 billion. That’s not counting another $10 billion in research and development costs, either.
At the same time, though, the Navy has steadily hacked away at various requirements, stripping planned systems from the design, in no small part to try and control any further cost overruns and delays. Close-in protection, ballistic and air defense capabilities, and various other associated systems are no longer part of the base design, something The War Zone’s own Tyler Rogoway explained in detail in a past feature, leaving it with limited utility despite its size and cost.
In September 2016, he wrote:
“The various omissions in the Zumwalt’s capability have resulted in a ship that is focused on chucking cruise missiles and sending GPS guided cannon shells dozens of miles inland. But if the Navy wants a stealth Tomahawk chucker, guess what? They already have four of them with far more vertical launch cells than the DDG-1000 has. These are the converted Ohio class nuclear-powered guided missile submarines (SSGNs). In the coming years, Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines with extended payload modules will take up this role as the four converted Ohio class SSGNs are retired.
“Minus its 155mm guns, has the stripped-down, anti-air mission-less Zumwalt become a far more vulnerable above-water guided missile submarine? A stealthy anti-submarine, special operations, and land attack arsenal ship? If so, why not build more submarines instead? They would be far more survivable and can stay on station much longer than the Zumwalt.”​
To add insult to injury, in November 2016, the Navy admitted it had cancelled plans to buy the specialized and exorbitantly expensive Long-Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP), each of which would have cost some $800,000, for the Zumwalt’s main guns without an immediate replacement shell in the works. This effectively left one of the ship's key weapons as dead weight. There ships will also receive various additional systems in the form of add-on packages attached to the deckhouse and elsewhere, which can only impact the ship’s finely tuned, complex, and expensive stealth shape in a negative manner.
The Portland Press Herald reported that, while she is officially in service, Zumwalt is still in the process of receiving unspecified weapons and critical mission systems at her homeport of San Diego. Now, struggling to find a job for the ships, the Navy says it wants to turn them effectively into floating arsenal ships full of stand-off weapons to strike at targets ashore and at sea.
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The future USS Michael Monsoor sits at Bath Iron Works in Maine during her christening ceremony in 2016.
On Dec. 4, 2017, U.S. Navy Rear Admiral Ron Boxall, the service’s director for surface warfare, told USNI News that officials were rethinking the Zumwalt-class’ requirements in light of experiences with the much maligned Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) and the new Guided Missile Frigate Replacement Program, or FFG(X). The stories definitely having some similarities, with the Navy struggling to improve the capabilities of the chronically under-performing LCS ships, before deciding to curtail its purchases and pursue a new design, which you can read about in more detail here.
“Let’s get this same type of team together and take DDG-1000, which has some of the most advanced capabilities of any ship we’ve ever produced, and at the same time look at some of the challenges we’ve had,” Boxall explained. “So looking at where we go with that [155mm] gun, how we can take advantage of what that ship is good at, and come up with a new set of requirements.”
“Obviously, a lot of those are classified, but the good news is that we’re going to look at focusing that ship more on offensive surface strike,” he continued. “And so this ship was already designed to do some of that mission, but we were focused on the very clear requirement we wrote for this ship in 1995, and the world has changed quite a bit since then. And so we’re modifying the missions and where we are with it.”
It’s not necessarily a bad idea, at least in principle. As we at The War Zone highlight routinely, developments in various, so-called “anti-access/area denial” systems, such as supersonic and hypersonic anti-ship missiles and progressively longer range integrated air defenses, pose an increasing threat to surface ships and any aircraft they might be carrying on board.
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Old concept art showing the Zumwalt shooting down incoming cruise missiles, a role the ship is no longer equipped to perform.
But more realistically, this is just the cheapest and easiest way to find an useful operational niche for the ships to fill. Focusing the stealth destroyers on this particular mission set is almost just a matter of filling the ships’ vertical launch system cells with a mix of land-attack and future over-the-horizon anti-ship cruise missiles, and maybe even finding usable ammunition of some sort for its main guns, but that isn't really even a show stopper.
The Navy may not even have to split the Zumwalt's 80 vertical launch system cells between two types of weapons as it proceeds with development of new versions of the Tomahawk Land Attack Missile (TLAM) that have an anti-ship capability. At present, the cells are partially dedicated to highly localized air defense, stuffed with quad-packed RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles. Those weapons could also offer a limited close-in defense against small swarming ships, as well.
The guns would present a different challenge. Even with the now cancelled LRLAP round, which featured a combination of GPS and inertial navigation as the guidance method, these weapons would have have been mainly useful against static targets, not mobile ships on the high seas. Using existing Army guided artillery rounds, such as Excalibur, would have run into the same problem, but the range of each shell would suffer badly compared to the LRLAP.
The Navy is working on a shell that can hit moving targets and do so in the increasingly likely event that an enemy is jamming GPS signals, but this ammunition is still in the research and development phase and it would require a forward deployed "third party{ asset to laser-designate the target. Work on an advanced electromagnetic railgun, which was one possible eventual replacement for the Zumwalt’s 155mm guns, but it is still similarly not in a state where an operational weapon is viable.
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The USS Zumwalt in 2016.
In high-threat scenarios, these newly refocused Zumwalts would be best suited to operating ahead of a larger force, making use of networked data links for stand-off targeting information, but still under the outer edge of an air defense umbrella provided by other assets, such as the Navy's Arleigh Burke-class destroyers. They will undoubtedly leverage the Navy's expanding Navy Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air, or NFIC-CA, for this surface strike role, something that it is almost certainly planning to do already.
This ambitious networking plan focuses on providing common data links between ships, aircraft, drones, and any other relevant asset to rapidly pass targeting information back and forth seamlessly. With the system in place, a Zumwalt could potentially launch cruise missiles at land or naval targets at maximum standoff range and in its maximum stealth mode, using data from various external sources, life stealth aircraft and satellites.
It could also pass control off of its launches cruise missiles to other assets operating nearer to the target area if necessary. With their own limited close-in defenses and degraded low observable design, the Zumwalts may still not be able to get close enough to take out more heavily defended targets ashore, though, including long-range radar sites.
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The Zumwalt in Norfolk in 2017.
But there's a real question about whether or not giving the three-ship Zumwalt-class this operational mission makes practical sense or not. Making the stealth destroyers the service's premier means of striking at enemy surface vessels, as well as land targets, in denied areas ahead of a major naval task for might give the ships something to do, but there would be few of them to go around in an actual contingency or during normal patrols. Also, this role is better served by submarines, both guided missile SSGN and fast attack SSN types, although the Zumwalts bring some networking and flexibility advantages to the fray. But are these small advantages enough to justify this limited role for the $22B class?
The fact that the service will stick the stealthy ships into Zumwalt Squadron One, rather than a unit that describes its function, such as a destroyer squadron, is another possible hint that it might still not know exactly what it wants to do with the ships.
On top of that, the costs to deploy and operate the unique ships could be significant separate from any other considerations. The Navy would have to weigh those costs against a number of other, more pressing priorities, including just making sure the surface force can meet its most basic operational obligations. A string of embarrassing and deadly accidents earlier 2017 has exposed serious, systemic issues that will take years to correct, even with appropriate funding, stable budgets, and clear vision.
In September 2017, Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer and U.S. Navy Chief of Naval Operations Admiral John Richardson made a shocking public disclosure during a hearing before Senate Armed Services Committee that the service was only able to meet 40 percent of the total demand for surface warships at any one time. The next month, details emerged about a worrying maintenance backlog that was keeping attack submarines pierside for months on end – more than two years in the case of the Los Angeles-class USS Boise – in some cases just waiting for routine work to begin.
The sorry state of the Navy's organic shipyards and subsequent increasing strain on private contractors only compounded these issues. In April 2016, the service had to inject $450 million into the Zumwalt program itself because of concerns about BIW's performance and capacity.
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Works move Zumwalt's stealthy deckhouse during the ship's construction.
Even if the Navy does deploy the Zumwalts primily in the surface strike capacity, it might not be for long as costs mount to operate the specialized stealth ships in this fairly limited role. It is still entirely possible that the Navy will see these challenges and ultimately decide to turn the Zumwalt’s into special projects and research and development vessels, just as it has done with its three Seawolf-class submarines. Or even worse they will turn into testing ships, with the small and highly unique fleet slowly cannibalizing itself to keep one hull operational. In the meantime this mission shift seems like an attempt to forestall this from happening, at least for the time being. Without the will to invest in the ships to make them what they were once intended to be, this at least gives them a notional purpose for the time being.
What's most frustrating it that it's impossible that the Navy wasn't aware of these issues and this type of potential outcome as it rabidly stripped missions and capabilities from the the class during its development cycle, keeping the program roughly on track, but making it increasingly less relevant in the process. It was a conscious and avoidable decision as we have highlighted in great detail before, and now we will have to wait and see if these ships can win what will be a bloody fiscal battle to keep them in play.
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Zumwalt is even more useless than the Korean self-made destroyer!

US Navy claimed their idea is not to use the destroyer as a Naval Combat Destroyer, but a stealthy big ship only seen on radar like a tiny fishing boat, that can sneak up to attack ground targets using Tomahawks, as if enemy will let fishing boats sneak in when their speed and course obviously not what a normal fishing boat capable of and not at where fishing boats should be!

Zumwalt is a crazy expensive and useless fishing boat.

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2018-08-29/doc-ihikcahf1101032.shtml

美媒:中国055大驱战力世界第二 可携反舰弹道导弹

2018年08月29日 09:13 环球时报



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[环球时报报道 特约记者 章 节 本报记者 刘扬]中国新型驱逐舰刚刚进行的海试引发境外媒体的集中关注。有媒体将其视为是除美国“朱姆沃尔特”级驱逐舰之外,世界第二强的驱逐舰。美媒认为,该舰可能可以发射反舰弹道导弹,而美国海军目前的造舰计划中,还没有对应的型号。
世界第二强驱逐舰?
美国《外交学者》网站28日报道称,根据中国网络上发布的图片,中国人民解放军新型055型导弹驱逐舰首舰“南昌”号(原文如此,中国军方并没有对外公布新舰艇名称——编者注)8月24日离开江南造船厂,开始其首次海试。文章称,该舰2017年6月在上海下水,在经过14个月的舾装后开始海试。该舰预计将于2019年交付中国海军。
报道称,中国海军计划在未来5年内至少采购8艘055型驱逐舰,这是为解放军海军建造的最大型驱逐舰。从长远来看,中国海军可能最多装备24艘该级导弹驱逐舰。目前共有6艘055型导弹驱逐舰处于不同建造阶段。
而香港《南华早报》的文章认为,中国的055型驱逐舰仍然在重要方面落后于美国海军的“朱姆沃尔特”级驱逐舰。文章认为,“朱姆沃尔特”满载排水量1.5万吨,但其独特的船体设计可使其像(小型)渔船一样隐蔽,比小型潜艇更安静。“朱姆沃尔特”主要设计为对陆攻击舰,配备强大的舰炮。而055型专注于防空和反潜任务,因此拥有比“朱姆沃尔特”级更多的导弹和更长的航程。
《南华早报》称,055型与该地区部署的其他战舰相当,特别是韩国的“世宗大王”和日本的“爱宕”级以及新推出的“摩耶”级。“世宗大王”和“爱宕”级驱逐舰都拥有大约1万吨的满载排水量和“宙斯盾”作战系统。但分析人士认为,055型在排水量、雷达系统性能、导弹能力和多功能等方面超过了韩日舰船。
可携带反舰弹道导弹?
《外交学者》称,055型是052D型导弹驱逐舰的发展型,但比后者大1/3。鉴于其尺寸,美国国防部已将055型归类为巡洋舰而非驱逐舰。据估计,055型驱逐舰的满载排水量在1万到1.3万吨之间。
报道称,055型主要武器装备包括两套分开布置的垂直发射系统,共有112个垂直发射口,能够发射中远程地对空、反舰和对陆攻击巡航导弹。
《外交学者》称,根据美国国防部发布的新版《中国军力报告》,055型驱逐舰可以携带一系列远程反舰导弹和远程地空导弹,“它很可能能够发射反舰弹道导弹和对陆攻击巡航导弹”。
专家:警惕美国别有用心
也有媒体把关注焦点放到美国如何应对中国055驱逐舰上。美国《国家利益》网站刊发题为“中国新型驱逐舰能否击沉美国海军”的文章称,对“美国是否需要回应055型”问题的简短回答是:“不,在中期不用担心。”更长的答案是,美国海军需要尽快确定自身采购和造船政策。报道称,美国在开发“提康德罗加”级巡洋舰后继舰方面进展缓慢,该巡洋舰比055型小一些。“朱姆沃尔特”级将在建造3艘之后停止建造。奥巴马政府评估后认为成本过高,取消了下一代巡洋舰CG(X)计划。为了应对DDG(X)和CG(X)计划的失败,美国海军决定重新启动“伯克”级后续计划,该计划还额外提高了舰艇的弹道导弹防御能力。
《舰载武器》执行主编石宏认为,美国海军总体上要比中国海军强大得多,光是现役具有宙斯盾系统的驱逐舰和巡洋舰就有80多艘,满载排水量都在8000吨以上,虽然可能比中国最新型的055驱逐舰吨位略小,但它们的海上反导能力、协同交战能力、联合作战能力以及对陆打击能力都要比我们强不少。美国“伯克”级驱逐舰已经有几十年的使用历史,中国最新研制的舰艇一些性能比几十年前舰艇先进也是很自然的,而海军作战还包括指挥控制系统、作战支援系统、舰载武器系统以及操作舰艇与武器的人员的经验与能力。因此,美国媒体借055来炒作中国军事威胁,是别有用心的。
中国军事专家李杰对《环球时报》记者表示,美海军拥有世界上数量最多、性能最先进的宙斯盾战舰,而“伯克”级Flight III版本也具有满载万吨左右的排水量,即便比055略小差别也并不太大。而美国在拥有这么强大的战舰实力的同时,还要炒作中国未服役新舰的军事威胁,需要格外警惕。▲


US media: China's Type 055 main destroyer, the world's second capable anti-ship, can fire ballistic missile
August 29, 2018 09:13 Global Times


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[Global Times reported that the special reporter's chapter reporter Liu Yang] The sea trials just carried out by China's new destroyers have attracted the attention of foreign media. Some media regard it as the world's second-largest destroyer in addition to the US "Zumwalt" class destroyer. The US media believes that the ship may be able to launch anti-ship ballistic missiles, and the US Navy's current shipbuilding plan does not have a corresponding model.
The world's second strong destroyer?
The US "Foreign Scholars" website reported on the 28th that according to the pictures released on the Chinese network, the first ship of the People's Liberation Army's new Type 055 guided missile destroyer "Nanchang" (the original, the Chinese military did not announce the name of the new ship - editor) Note) The Jiangnan Shipyard was left on August 24 and began its first sea trial. According to the article, the ship was launched in Shanghai in June 2017 and began a sea trial after 14 months of armoring. The ship is expected to be delivered to the Chinese Navy in 2019.
The report said that the Chinese Navy plans to purchase at least eight Type 055 destroyers in the next five years, the largest destroyer built for the PLA Navy. In the long run, the Chinese navy may be equipped with up to 24 missile destroyers of this class. There are currently six 055 guided missile destroyers at different stages of construction.
The Hong Kong "South China Morning Post" article believes that China's Type 055 destroyer still lags behind the US Navy's "Zumwalt" class destroyer in important aspects. According to the article, “Zum Walter” is fully loaded with a displacement of 15,000 tons, but its unique hull design makes it as concealed as a (small) fishing boat and quieter than a small submarine. "Zum Walter" is mainly designed as a land attack ship equipped with powerful guns. The 055 focuses on air defense and anti-submarine missions, so it has more missiles and longer voyages than the "Zum Walter" class.
According to the South China Morning Post, the 055 is equivalent to other warships deployed in the region, especially South Korea’s “Sejong King” and Japan’s “Love” class and the newly launched “Maya” class. Both the King Sejong and the Ai-class destroyers have approximately 10,000 tons of full-load displacement and the Aegis combat system. However, analysts believe that the Model 055 surpasses the Korean and Japanese ships in terms of displacement, radar system performance, missile capability and versatility.
Can carry anti-ship ballistic missiles?
"Diplomatic Scholars" said that the Type 055 is a development type of the 052D guided missile destroyer, but it is one-third larger than the latter. Due to its size, the US Department of Defense has classified the 055 as a cruiser rather than a destroyer. It is estimated that the full displacement of the Type 055 destroyer is between 10,000 and 13,000 tons.
According to the report, the 055 main weaponry consists of two sets of vertically arranged vertical launch systems with a total of 112 vertical launch ports capable of launching medium-to-long-range ground-to-air, anti-ship and land-attack cruise missiles.
"Diplomatic Scholars" said that according to the new "China Military Report" issued by the US Department of Defense, the Type 055 destroyer can carry a series of long-range anti-ship missiles and long-range surface-to-air missiles. "It is likely to be able to launch anti-ship ballistic missiles and land-attack attacks." cruise missile".
Expert: Be wary of the United States with ulterior motives
There are also media outlets that focus on how the US responds to the Chinese 055 destroyer. The US National Interests website published an article entitled "Can China's new destroyers sink the US Navy?" The short answer to the question "Does the US need to respond to the 055 type" is: "No, don't worry in the medium term." The long answer is that the US Navy needs to determine its own procurement and shipbuilding policies as soon as possible. According to the report, the United States has made slow progress in developing the descendants of the Ticonderoga class cruiser. The cruiser is smaller than the 055. The "Zum Walter" class will stop construction after the construction of three ships. After the Obama administration evaluated it, the cost was too high and the next-generation cruiser CG(X) plan was cancelled. In response to the failure of the DDG (X) and CG (X) plans, the US Navy decided to restart the "Burke" level follow-up plan, which also increased the ship's ballistic missile defense capabilities.
Shi Hong, executive editor of Shipboard Weapons, believes that the US Navy is generally much more powerful than the Chinese Navy. There are more than 80 destroyers and cruisers with active Aegis systems, and the full displacement is more than 8,000 tons, although it is possible. It is slightly smaller than China's latest 055 destroyer, but their sea anti-missile capability, coordinated combat capability, joint combat capability and ground strike capability are much stronger than ours. The US "Burke" class destroyer has been used for decades. Some of the latest developments of China's ships are more natural than the ships advanced decades ago. The naval operations also include command and control systems, combat support systems, and shipborne The experience and capabilities of weapon systems and personnel operating ships and weapons. Therefore, the US media borrowed 055 to speculate on the Chinese military threat, which is of ulterior motives.
Chinese military expert Li Jie told the Global Times that the US Navy has the largest and most advanced Aegis warship in the world, and the Burke-class Flight III version also has a displacement of about 10,000 tons, even if it is 055. The slight difference is not too big. While the United States possesses such a powerful warship strength, it must also speculate on the military threat of China's uncommissioned new ships, which requires extra vigilance. ▲
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Time for USA to steal China IP and kabor the plans for the Chinese Type 055 destroyer.
Shucks USA do not have good enough dockyard to do that!

Maybe call off the trade war and ask China to build the destroyer for USA to put her flag on!
 

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US have lost air supremacy and sea supremacy due to their wrong concept of Stealth. Their Stealth became non-stealth before the new Chinese & Russian radars. Their compromising designs on all their combat aircrafts and warships to achieve so called Stealth too seriously compromised prime important fundamental combat performance characteristics - such as speed, range, ceiling altitude, payloads, radar range, for planes, missile power, radar power etc for ships, They had cost to much also to achieve so called Stealth. They lost too much time, falling in false believe of Stealth - like the Emperor who thinks his invisible new clothes are perfect and spent all his funds and time on it. Out of expectation in the end when so called Stealth is over-turned to non-stealth, their handicap is totally overwhelming. They got no useful weapons against 1B1R, but expensive and useless junks, and NO MORE MONEY NO MORE TIME to make anything else in response. They lost!

The 1B1R have the right weapons, because they can see these so call stealths, at sufficiently far distance, and can see the non-stealth from further distance. They can KILL at longer distance as well as detect from longer distance than US ships and planes, that means the 1B1R are safe, see Yankees 1st, shoot 1st and shoot at distance that they can not shoot back nor see you. They also kill FAST, e.g. hypersonic. They focus on right things like Quantum Radar and superior anti-stealth radar, they focus on super rocket fuel that can shoot high speed and longer range at the same missile size and weight. They focus on using globally long ranged ICBMs to kill US Navy carrier battle groups using hypersonic glider warheads. US focused on the wrong things, useless! US are quite EMPTY in these crucial fields of technologies.

Now the result will be inevitable when war buttons are hit, USA die, 1B1R rule the world.

Pse hit the buttons ASAP.
 

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Trump does not need missiles and stealth planes/ ships to destroy a country. He uses trade embargo and sanctions. Very cheap.
 

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Trump does not need missiles and stealth planes/ ships to destroy a country. He uses trade embargo and sanctions. Very cheap.

Does not work at all!

See NK Iran Russia.... all going strong. Only country fucked is USA and their Ang Moh allies only.
 

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US have lost air supremacy and sea supremacy due to their wrong concept of Stealth. Their Stealth became non-stealth before the new Chinese & Russian radars. Their compromising designs on all their combat aircrafts and warships to achieve so called Stealth too seriously compromised prime important fundamental combat performance characteristics - such as speed, range, ceiling altitude, payloads, radar range, for planes, missile power, radar power etc for ships, They had cost to much also to achieve so called Stealth. They lost too much time, falling in false believe of Stealth - like the Emperor who thinks his invisible new clothes are perfect and spent all his funds and time on it. Out of expectation in the end when so called Stealth is over-turned to non-stealth, their handicap is totally overwhelming. They got no useful weapons against 1B1R, but expensive and useless junks, and NO MORE MONEY NO MORE TIME to make anything else in response. They lost!

The 1B1R have the right weapons, because they can see these so call stealths, at sufficiently far distance, and can see the non-stealth from further distance. They can KILL at longer distance as well as detect from longer distance than US ships and planes, that means the 1B1R are safe, see Yankees 1st, shoot 1st and shoot at distance that they can not shoot back nor see you. They also kill FAST, e.g. hypersonic. They focus on right things like Quantum Radar and superior anti-stealth radar, they focus on super rocket fuel that can shoot high speed and longer range at the same missile size and weight. They focus on using globally long ranged ICBMs to kill US Navy carrier battle groups using hypersonic glider warheads. US focused on the wrong things, useless! US are quite EMPTY in these crucial fields of technologies.

Now the result will be inevitable when war buttons are hit, USA die, 1B1R rule the world.

Pse hit the buttons ASAP.


How capable is Chinese AWACS system as compared to US or Israeli systems?


How much can one truly know how capable the Chinese AWACS systems can be?
Much of that might be secret until the time when that is being used to deliver good news to KC-135s and carriers and AWECs and other assets which is likely to be a lot less stealth than hoped for.
How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.
Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than the difference between male or female mosquito a few km away?

China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes

USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?

Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.

WANG SUI WANG WANG SUI

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If radar can detect mosquitos, maybe information overload during war.

No humans can handle all those info coming in.
Which is one of the reasons why China is head and shoulder above any other country in supercomputing power.
From nowhere at all just 10 years ago.
And Chinese supercomputer still advancing by leaps and bounds and into quantum computering as well.

But if mosquito , or bigger, or smaller , can fly at Mach 1 and 10,000 meters in the air, that be so easily tagged off as an object of great interest and targeted on.
Then good news be delivered to that mosquito.

You want to hide among other mosquitoes?
Make sure they can fly at Mach 1 as well.
 

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If radar can detect mosquitos, maybe information overload during war.

Not only detect by DIRECTLY KILLED by it's power.

PLA's J-20 radar can COOK roast goose at 1km! KFC @2km. They are the most expensive microwave cookers. J-20's radar can buy 2 turbo jet engines top models from Putin's Sukhoi SU-57's Product 30. AWAC radar can cost several several jets.

https://www.xuehua.us/2018/07/29/如果飞行员想吃烤鸡怎么办?用雷达照射一公里/


What if the pilot wants to eat roast chicken?
"It’s okay to use radar to illuminate chickens one kilometer away."
Dusk at the end of the game 2018-07-29 21:50:08 Military Reading 99,951 Comments 0


The saying that the warplane fire control radar roasts a chicken one kilometer away is the original passive phased array radar from the Soviet MiG-31. According to rumors, a chicken one kilometer away will be cooked when it is turned on. But in reality, because of the resistance of things such as barriers, the power of the radar will be greatly weakened, so it is difficult to really cook a chicken. At the same time, if the radar adopts a large-scale rough search mode, the electromagnetic wave is very scattered, and the energy is not enough to reach the standard of baking.

However, if the focus is on an object, such as the discovery of enemy fighters in air combat, and the mode of concentrated illumination in order to guide missile attacks, the energy is concentrated at one point. At this time, the energy generated by the fire control radar is within a certain period of time. You can cook a chicken.


At present, the radar is also constantly being updated. Now the airborne radar is not the pulse radar and continuous wave radar used in the past, but the relatively power-saving and anti-interference pulse compression radar and frequency agility. radar. Although it is the same radar, it also reduces the damage to the non-attack target.

The main purpose of the radar's work is to capture the target, not in the sky like a laser beam biting the enemy plane. Such wishful thinking is impossible. At the same time, airborne radar also needs self-hiding radar spectrum requirements, otherwise stealth fighters will not be invisible. Once the radar is turned into a big fireball in the other's eyes, what is the strength?

如果飞行员想吃烤鸡怎么办?“用雷达照射一公里外的鸡就行了”
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战机火控雷达烤熟一公里外小鸡的说法,最早来源于苏联米格-31的被动相控阵雷达。据传言,其在开机的情况下,一公里外的一只鸡将会被烤熟。但真实情况下,因为阻隔物等东西的抵挡,雷达的功率会被大幅度削弱 ,所以很难真的烤熟一只鸡。同时,雷达如果采用大规模粗略搜索模式时,由于电磁波十分分散,能量不足以达到烤熟的标准。

但要是重点对着一个物体照射,比如空战中发现敌方战机,为了引导导弹攻击而采取集中照射的模式时,能量集中于一个点,这时候火控雷达所产生的能量,在一定时间内是可以烤熟一只鸡的。


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就目前而言,雷达也在不断的更新换代中,现在机载的雷达不在是以前所用的脉冲雷达以及连续波雷达,而是采用相对省电,并且抗干扰的脉部压缩雷达和频率捷变雷达。虽然是同一部雷达,由此也降低了对非攻击目标的照射伤害。
雷达的工作主要目的是捕捉目标,并非是在天上像激光束一样咬着敌机照下来。这样一厢情愿的事情是不可能出现的。同时机载雷达也需要自我隐藏雷达频谱的需求,否则隐身战机就不隐身了,一开雷达就成了对方眼中的大火球还打个什么劲?
 

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Not only detect by DIRECTLY KILLED by it's power.

PLA's J-20 radar can COOK roast goose at 1km! KFC @2km. They are the most expensive microwave cookers. J-20's radar can buy 2 turbo jet engines top models from Putin's Sukhoi SU-57's Product 30. AWAC radar can cost several several jets.

https://www.xuehua.us/2018/07/29/如果飞行员想吃烤鸡怎么办?用雷达照射一公里/


What if the pilot wants to eat roast chicken? "It’s okay to use radar to illuminate chickens one kilometer away."
Dusk at the end of the game 2018-07-29 21:50:08 Military Reading 99,951 Comments 0


The saying that the warplane fire control radar roasts a chicken one kilometer away is the original passive phased array radar from the Soviet MiG-31. According to rumors, a chicken one kilometer away will be cooked when it is turned on. But in reality, because of the resistance of things such as barriers, the power of the radar will be greatly weakened, so it is difficult to really cook a chicken. At the same time, if the radar adopts a large-scale rough search mode, the electromagnetic wave is very scattered, and the energy is not enough to reach the standard of baking.

However, if the focus is on an object, such as the discovery of enemy fighters in air combat, and the mode of concentrated illumination in order to guide missile attacks, the energy is concentrated at one point. At this time, the energy generated by the fire control radar is within a certain period of time. You can cook a chicken.


At present, the radar is also constantly being updated. Now the airborne radar is not the pulse radar and continuous wave radar used in the past, but the relatively power-saving and anti-interference pulse compression radar and frequency agility. radar. Although it is the same radar, it also reduces the damage to the non-attack target.

The main purpose of the radar's work is to capture the target, not in the sky like a laser beam biting the enemy plane. Such wishful thinking is impossible. At the same time, airborne radar also needs self-hiding radar spectrum requirements, otherwise stealth fighters will not be invisible. Once the radar is turned into a big fireball in the other's eyes, what is the strength?

如果飞行员想吃烤鸡怎么办?“用雷达照射一公里外的鸡就行了”
落幕时的黄昏 2018-07-29 21:50:08 军事 阅读 99,951 评论 0




战机火控雷达烤熟一公里外小鸡的说法,最早来源于苏联米格-31的被动相控阵雷达。据传言,其在开机的情况下,一公里外的一只鸡将会被烤熟。但真实情况下,因为阻隔物等东西的抵挡,雷达的功率会被大幅度削弱 ,所以很难真的烤熟一只鸡。同时,雷达如果采用大规模粗略搜索模式时,由于电磁波十分分散,能量不足以达到烤熟的标准。

但要是重点对着一个物体照射,比如空战中发现敌方战机,为了引导导弹攻击而采取集中照射的模式时,能量集中于一个点,这时候火控雷达所产生的能量,在一定时间内是可以烤熟一只鸡的。


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就目前而言,雷达也在不断的更新换代中,现在机载的雷达不在是以前所用的脉冲雷达以及连续波雷达,而是采用相对省电,并且抗干扰的脉部压缩雷达和频率捷变雷达。虽然是同一部雷达,由此也降低了对非攻击目标的照射伤害。
雷达的工作主要目的是捕捉目标,并非是在天上像激光束一样咬着敌机照下来。这样一厢情愿的事情是不可能出现的。同时机载雷达也需要自我隐藏雷达频谱的需求,否则隐身战机就不隐身了,一开雷达就成了对方眼中的大火球还打个什么劲?

WANG SUI WANG WANG SUI

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LaoTze

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No humans can handle all those info coming in.
Which is one of the reasons why China is head and shoulder above any other country in supercomputing power.
From nowhere at all just 10 years ago.
And Chinese supercomputer still advancing by leaps and bounds and into quantum computering as well.

But if mosquito , or bigger, or smaller , can fly at Mach 1 and 10,000 meters in the air, that be so easily tagged off as an object of great interest and targeted on.
Then good news be delivered to that mosquito.

You want to hide among other mosquitoes?
Make sure they can fly at Mach 1 as well.

From no less than USA Pentagon.
JSTARS are stealthy and supposed to be far from conflict so that they can be safe and control the conflict.
But yet. . .


https://www.realcleardefense.com...


Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war


By: Stephen Losey   18 May 2018


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An E-8C Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System from the 93rd Air Control Wing flies a refueling mission over the skies of Georgia. (Tech. Sgt. John Lasky/Air Force)


Even a new version of the Air Force’s JSTARS battlefield management and control aircraft would be vulnerable to being shot out of the sky during the opening salvo of a conflict with Russia or China, Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson told lawmakers Thursday.

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Russian say PLA type 055 destroyers has upper hand in Pacific against US Navy. New Sea Orders in Pacific from now.


http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2018-08-30/doc-ihikcahf7459587.shtml

俄媒关注中国055大驱海试:要在太平洋对美占据上风

2018年08月30日 07:16 参考消息



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原标题:俄媒关注中国055型驱逐舰海试:将组成亚洲最大水面舰队
参考消息网8月30日报道俄媒称,中国首艘055型驱逐舰出海试航。中国将其归类为万吨级驱逐舰。而许多外国军事专家更愿意将这艘军舰称为导弹巡洋舰。
据俄罗斯《消息报》网站8月29日报道,这当然不是航母——根据不同的消息来源,055型驱逐舰的排水量约在1.2万吨至1.3万吨之间。在当今的非航母战舰中,055型驱逐舰的排水量立即跻身三甲:排在它之前的眼下只有美国的“朱姆沃尔特”级驱逐舰和俄罗斯1144型(北约代号基洛夫级)核动力巡洋舰。
报道称,055型驱逐舰拥有相当令人印象深刻的武器装备。主要火力来自垂直发射器中的导弹,总的来说,055型驱逐舰可携带112枚不同类型的导弹。像绝大多数现代化大型舰船一样,055型驱逐舰也有通用火炮系统,单管130毫米舰炮既能够射击空中目标,还能攻击海上和沿岸设施。为对付潜艇,055型驱逐舰设有能容纳两架中型直升机的机库。
报道指出,055型驱逐舰载有各种无线电电子和声呐设备,包括相控阵雷达、电子战系统、舰首声呐和拖曳阵声呐。
报道还指出,考虑到中国人民解放军海军的发展趋势,可以推测055型驱逐舰具有两个主要“身份”:为未来中国航母护航的主力,以及独立打击战斗群的核心,可与航母编队协动或单独行动。
报道认为,预计中国打算建造8艘055型驱逐舰。它们与052B/C/D型的21艘驱逐舰以及众多护卫舰和轻型护卫舰相结合,将成为亚洲最大的水面舰队,规模仅次于美国海军。与此同时,鉴于美国的全球野心以及必须将相当一部分海军力量留在世界其他地区,中国有望在“自家的”西太平洋水域中占据上风。
报道称,在正常的和平时期条件下,一支庞大的舰队将使中国能够可靠地控制东南亚和印度洋的通信,确保自己与非洲和中东的贸易安全,并在必要时发动令人印象深刻的力量到地方冲突地区。
报道还称,在中国在太平洋的直接竞争对手中,除了美国之外,还有日本、韩国和澳大利亚的海军。目前,中国海军在舰船数量和武器的多样性和技术性能方面已经优于上述三个国家的舰队。事实上,倘若没有美国的支持,这几个严格来说军队居二流水平的国家,都没有能力与中国海军抗衡。
报道认为,目前与中国055型驱逐舰最接近的类似舰船是美国“泰孔德罗加”级巡洋舰,后者尺寸略小,但发射单元略多。055型有112个垂发装置,“泰孔德罗加”级则有122个。目前有22艘“泰孔德罗加”级巡洋舰在美国海军服役,分别在上世纪80、90年代入役。部分该级巡洋舰已经完成了升级改造,以便加入美国反导防御系统。此外,“泰孔德罗加”还积极地用于构成航母战斗群,充当防空防御舰,以及发射“战斧”巡航导弹摧毁陆地目标。
报道称,美国曾多次提出建造替代“泰孔德罗加”级的新巡洋舰的问题,但决定未能通过——要是出于经济原因。第一批中国巡洋舰试航很可能会让这些计划再次变得迫切,届时关注中国下一步举动将会很有意思。
报道表示,一些专家认为,中国可能会转向建造更大的导弹巡洋舰,类似俄罗斯的1144型导弹巡洋舰。无论如何,鉴于北京在海军建设方面的慎重认真以及战舰项目从简单到复杂的稳步发展,建造更大型导弹巡洋舰的任务很有希望在本世纪20年代后半段完成。(编译/朱丽峰)


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Russian media pay attention to China's 055 drive to sea trial: to gain the upper hand in the Pacific to the United States
Reference message on August 30, 2018, 07:16


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Original title: Russian media focus on China's Type 055 destroyer sea trial: will form Asia's largest surface fleet
The reference news network reported on August 30 that the Russian media claimed that China’s first 055 destroyer went to sea for trial flight. China classified it as a 10,000-ton destroyer. Many foreign military experts are more willing to call this warship a guided missile cruiser.
According to the Russian "News" website reported on August 29, this is certainly not an aircraft carrier - according to different sources, the displacement of the Type 055 destroyer is between 12,000 tons and 13,000 tons. In today's non-carrier battleships, the displacement of the Type 055 destroyer immediately ranks among the top three: only the US "Zumwalt" class destroyer and the Russian Type 1144 (NATO codename Kirov-class) nuclear-powered cruiser are now in front of it.
According to reports, the Type 055 destroyer has quite impressive weapons and equipment. The main firepower comes from missiles in vertical launchers. In general, the Type 055 destroyer can carry 112 different types of missiles. Like most modern large ships, the Type 055 destroyer also has a universal artillery system. The single-tube 130mm gun can both shoot air targets and attack offshore and coastal facilities. To deal with submarines, the Type 055 destroyer has a hangar that can accommodate two medium-sized helicopters.
According to the report, the Type 055 destroyer carries a variety of radio electronics and sonar equipment, including phased array radar, electronic warfare systems, ship head sonar and towed array sonar.
The report also pointed out that considering the development trend of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy, it can be speculated that the Type 055 destroyer has two main "identities": the main force for the future Chinese aircraft carrier escort, and the core of the independent combat group, which can be coordinated with the aircraft carrier formation or Act alone.
The report believes that China is planning to build eight Type 055 destroyers. Combined with 21 destroyers of the 052B/C/D and numerous frigates and light frigates, they will be the largest surface fleet in Asia, second only to the US Navy. At the same time, given the global ambitions of the United States and the need to retain a significant portion of naval power in other parts of the world, China is expected to gain the upper hand in the “home” Western Pacific waters.
According to the report, under normal peacetime conditions, a large fleet will enable China to reliably control communications between Southeast Asia and the Indian Ocean, ensure its trade security with Africa and the Middle East, and launch an impressive force when necessary. Go to the local conflict area.
The report also said that among China's direct competitors in the Pacific, in addition to the United States, there are also navies from Japan, South Korea and Australia. At present, the Chinese navy is superior to the fleet of the above three countries in terms of the number of ships and the diversity and technical performance of the weapons. In fact, without the support of the United States, these countries, which strictly follow the ranks of the military, are incapable of competing with the Chinese navy.
According to the report, the closest similar ship to the Chinese Type 055 destroyer is the US "Ticonderoga" class cruiser, which is slightly smaller in size but slightly more. The 055 has 112 hair-dropping devices, and the "Ticonderoga" class has 122. At present, 22 "Ticonderoga" class cruisers are serving in the US Navy, and they entered the service in the 1980s and 1990s respectively. Some of the cruisers of this class have been upgraded to join the US anti-missile defense system. In addition, "Ticonderoga" is actively used to form aircraft carrier battle groups, acting as air defense defense ships, and launching "Tomahawk" cruise missiles to destroy land targets.
According to the report, the United States has repeatedly raised the issue of building a new cruiser to replace the "Ticonderoga" class, but decided not to pass it - for economic reasons. The trial of the first batch of Chinese cruisers is likely to make these plans urgent again. It will be interesting to pay attention to China's next move.
According to the report, some experts believe that China may turn to build a larger missile cruiser, similar to the Russian 1144 missile cruiser. In any case, given the prudence of Beijing's naval construction and the steady development of warship projects from simple to complex, the task of building larger missile cruisers is hopeful to be completed in the second half of the 1920s. (Compile / Zhu Lifeng)
Keywords: 055 destroyer cruiser China Navy Pacific US Army
 

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Not only detect by DIRECTLY KILLED by it's power.

PLA's J-20 radar can COOK roast goose at 1km! KFC @2km. They are the most expensive microwave cookers. J-20's radar can buy 2 turbo jet engines top models from Putin's Sukhoi SU-57's Product 30. AWAC radar can cost several several jets.

https://www.xuehua.us/2018/07/29/如果飞行员想吃烤鸡怎么办?用雷达照射一公里/


What if the pilot wants to eat roast chicken? "It’s okay to use radar to illuminate chickens one kilometer away."
Dusk at the end of the game 2018-07-29 21:50:08 Military Reading 99,951 Comments 0


The saying that the warplane fire control radar roasts a chicken one kilometer away is the original passive phased array radar from the Soviet MiG-31. According to rumors, a chicken one kilometer away will be cooked when it is turned on. But in reality, because of the resistance of things such as barriers, the power of the radar will be greatly weakened, so it is difficult to really cook a chicken. At the same time, if the radar adopts a large-scale rough search mode, the electromagnetic wave is very scattered, and the energy is not enough to reach the standard of baking.

However, if the focus is on an object, such as the discovery of enemy fighters in air combat, and the mode of concentrated illumination in order to guide missile attacks, the energy is concentrated at one point. At this time, the energy generated by the fire control radar is within a certain period of time. You can cook a chicken.


At present, the radar is also constantly being updated. Now the airborne radar is not the pulse radar and continuous wave radar used in the past, but the relatively power-saving and anti-interference pulse compression radar and frequency agility. radar. Although it is the same radar, it also reduces the damage to the non-attack target.

The main purpose of the radar's work is to capture the target, not in the sky like a laser beam biting the enemy plane. Such wishful thinking is impossible. At the same time, airborne radar also needs self-hiding radar spectrum requirements, otherwise stealth fighters will not be invisible. Once the radar is turned into a big fireball in the other's eyes, what is the strength?

如果飞行员想吃烤鸡怎么办?“用雷达照射一公里外的鸡就行了”
落幕时的黄昏 2018-07-29 21:50:08 军事 阅读 99,951 评论 0




战机火控雷达烤熟一公里外小鸡的说法,最早来源于苏联米格-31的被动相控阵雷达。据传言,其在开机的情况下,一公里外的一只鸡将会被烤熟。但真实情况下,因为阻隔物等东西的抵挡,雷达的功率会被大幅度削弱 ,所以很难真的烤熟一只鸡。同时,雷达如果采用大规模粗略搜索模式时,由于电磁波十分分散,能量不足以达到烤熟的标准。

但要是重点对着一个物体照射,比如空战中发现敌方战机,为了引导导弹攻击而采取集中照射的模式时,能量集中于一个点,这时候火控雷达所产生的能量,在一定时间内是可以烤熟一只鸡的。


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就目前而言,雷达也在不断的更新换代中,现在机载的雷达不在是以前所用的脉冲雷达以及连续波雷达,而是采用相对省电,并且抗干扰的脉部压缩雷达和频率捷变雷达。虽然是同一部雷达,由此也降低了对非攻击目标的照射伤害。
雷达的工作主要目的是捕捉目标,并非是在天上像激光束一样咬着敌机照下来。这样一厢情愿的事情是不可能出现的。同时机载雷达也需要自我隐藏雷达频谱的需求,否则隐身战机就不隐身了,一开雷达就成了对方眼中的大火球还打个什么劲?


There was an article somewhere I read that they laughed at Indian self-made radar's weakness, says it can only make a cup of Teh Tarik across the basketball court, when the Chinese / Russian / American radars can make steaks and roasted chicken etc a kilometer away. The specification of the Chinese radar is the strongest among all. After purchasing SU-35 from Russia, PLA comments it's radar is too much inferior compared with even their own J-10B radars, and in PLA's own war games, SU-35 got bullied by J-10Bs, due to this weakness, even though it has much superior powerful engines and carries much more and much stronger missiles.



http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2018-08-27/doc-ihifuvph5969852.shtml
中国接收苏35后发现其软肋 雷达太差被国产战机压制

中国接收苏35后发现其软肋 雷达太差被国产战机压制



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原标题:一周军评:“军队2018”展到底展示了什么?
作者署名:席亚洲
今年的“军队2018”展上,俄军宣布的订单也是让人颇为唏嘘。
这里面最受人关注的,当然是2020年前俄军只购买2架苏-57战斗机了,这等于坐实了不久前军工联合体新闻网所报道的,俄军对于现有苏-57性能不满意,不会大量采购,要求对其进行大刀阔斧全面改进的消息。此外,俄军宣布采购132辆T-14坦克、T-15重型步兵战车的消息也受到了一定的关注,这表明“阿玛塔”车族终于可以开始低速交付俄军了。虽然相比之下,俄军采购“新型坦克”的大头仍然放在了T-90M、T-72B3上,其中T-90M坦克今年将会采购一个营(约30多辆)。当然,T-90M和T-72B3都是用现成的坦克改装,而不是全新生产,这本身和“阿玛塔”的生产不能相提并论。
大家都知道,俄罗斯近年来在推行军事改革,此前我们也多次评论过,其核心就是从苏联时代以世界大战为主要作战模式的想定,转入适应现代条件的,以高科技局部战争为想定条件的,更精干的职业化军队。
问题在于,这样的一支新型军队需要新型的武器。目前我军进行的军改,一方面对部队组织结构进行梳理,另一方面就是要为军改后的部队配备新型装备,以适应军改后的新作战模式。
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今年“军队2018”展上的俄军新装备展示也是个老装备拉皮大集合,图为俄军展示BMP-1AM和BMP-2M步兵战车
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T-90M坦克进行射击演示
俄罗斯也为了他们设想的新战争模式,设计了武器装备,其代表就是“阿玛塔”车族——但却因为其高昂的成本,和相对不够成熟的技术状态,短期内肯定指望不上。
但俄罗斯和中国又有一个重大的区别,就是他们面临着巨大的军事压力,实现军改和“转型”刻不容缓。
那么在这种情况下,俄罗斯陆军就和我们之前说过的,俄罗斯海军一样,搞起“两层皮”了。一方面是开始采购“阿玛塔”坦克等新型装备,开始组建一支新式军队;另一方面,根据乌克兰冲突的经验,开始用“拉皮”老装备武装起一支“二流”但却要充当主力的军队来。
或者说,俄军发现自己还是要靠“数量、力量”去压倒对手,而“智能、灵活”什么的,现在还只能是奢望。
我们都知道,采用规模较小的新型作战编制的前提,是要装备新一代的信息化武器。那么用“拉皮老装备”是无论如何也达不到这个效果的,那么既要沿用老装备,又要提高战斗力——唯一的选择就是回到老编制。
所以我们就看到了近年来俄军组建的近卫坦克集团军等这样的传统编制的部队了,而这些部队,也恰恰就是使用T-72B3、BMP-1AM、BMP-2M、以及复活的大口径火炮……这些武器的部队。
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集团军炮兵旅装备的203榴弹炮和240迫击炮,后面跟着的是S-300V,这些装备,都有年头了
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通古斯卡自行防空系统加装了一个闪闪发光的新光电头
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参加各种防务展多年,但今年才开始装备俄军的“诺娜”120毫米迫榴炮
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“山毛榉M3”防空导弹
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图中士兵装备着无动力的外骨骼,旁边放着一套动力装甲模型……
事实上自从2008年以来,俄军陆军部队已经几乎经历了一次重建的过程。
最近俄军展示的新一代老装备改装的车辆,最大的进步是大部分都装上了“松树-U”热像仪,这是俄罗斯引进法国技术在国内建厂生产的。之前人们普遍感觉奇怪的是,俄罗斯究竟是怎样在法国参加对俄罗斯制裁后继续维持生产的,因为此前的消息称,一些关键部件仍要从法国进口。但今年“军队2018”展会上,有中国企业表示,目前俄罗斯国内几家生产热像仪的企业,都和他们有合作关系……虽然这话还不能做什么证据,但是我觉得……中国和俄罗斯的热像仪一句“关系匪浅”还是可以说的。这也是俄罗斯在军费今年比去年又大幅度下降情况下,还能在新一代坦克、步兵战车上推广热像仪的一个基本前提,全世界都知道嘛。
笔者之前就说过俄罗斯迟早要“口嫌体正”……现在至少热像仪这块……恭喜中国热像仪企业咯。
同样,俄罗斯空天军的战斗机部队,到2010年以后,也就基本相当于是“重建”了一遍了。其目前真正具有作战能力的部队,使用的都是21世纪以后经过改装的战斗机——毕竟战斗机和坦克不一样,在高科技战争中,20年前的战斗机现在开出去要想在空战中打赢人家几乎没机会,反而20年前的坦克,至少还能去欺负一下轻装甲目标或者步兵。
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解放军苏-27SK在泰国已经演示了,使用倒卡天线的苏-27,再怎么也不可能在中距空战中压倒现代化战斗机,哪怕对手是个小小的“鹰狮”
但是俄罗斯基本技术条件的限制,决定了其战斗机……
苏-35战斗机在解放军部队刚刚接收的时候,曾经因为驾驶它的都是以前开苏-27SK的飞行员,对其评价非常高,认为什么什么都好,包括航电也有改进。但是……经过一段时间的使用,所有人的观点都有所改变。尤其是,虽然因为该机的一些辅助设备仍不能符合参加“金头盔”等比赛的需求,该机只能与友邻部队的歼-10C等我军的三代半战斗机进行一些研究性质的“对练”……但已经非常明显的显示出,苏-35的航电设备在实战对抗条件下,并没有什么优势,反而是经常处于被欺负的境地。尤其是电子对抗方面,采用无源阵雷达的苏-35面对使用有源阵的歼-10C,基本上只有被压制的份。
苏-35都这样了,苏-27SM3、苏-27SM、苏-30SM等这些电子设备和苏-35比都还差一截的飞机就更是……现在回想起来,当年中国坚持在国产歼-11系列飞机上采用我国自行研制的新型电子设备,实在是高瞻远瞩了。有飞行员甚至表示,将歼-16的航电设备装上苏-35,或许才能真正彻底提高苏-35的作战能力。虽然苏-57号称拥有全新的电子设备,但仅仅从俄罗斯在航展上拿出来的产品的集成化程度等方面来看——那还真是差得远了。又不隐身,航电又差点意思,最重要的,国家钱又紧张……苏-57终于“凉了”也容易理解。
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SU-27SM的N001VP雷达换上了平板缝隙天线,比“倒卡”天线当然是强多了,但也已经算不上先进产品了
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虽然苏-30SM战斗机先进程度也就那么回事,但是在石油价格高企,俄罗斯经济状况也因此兴旺的几年里,俄军也是以每年20多架的速度在采购的
还有海军,今年“军队2018”展上俄罗斯克雷洛夫设计局展示了两个模型,一个是大家已经见惯不怪的“暴风”级驱逐领舰(很多媒体译为“领袖”级驱逐舰),一个是新的4万吨级航母。这个新航母还计划采用核动力,带弹射器。
驱逐领舰咱们且不去说他,这个4万吨航母的模型啊……居然有三个升降机,其中两个还是舷内升降机——总体给人的感觉就是,这就是一个把舰桥缩小,并调整到正常位置的印度“维克拉玛蒂亚”号嘛……甭管咋说,这至少比克局前几年参展的,排水量动辄10万吨的超级航母方案要务实多了,等到俄罗斯修完几艘“基洛夫”级巡洋舰和“库兹涅佐夫”,那个著名的“大坑”腾出空来——说不定还能上马呢……嘿,俄罗斯印度化,这也是遭不住。
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今年克雷洛夫局拿来了一艘4万吨“合理化改进型‘超日王’”来……
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印度“超日王”号航母
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估计他们自己也明白前几年拿来的这个10万吨的超级航母现在俄罗斯无力建造……
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过几年,给这个“大坑”加几个龙门吊,把坑挖规整点——说不定也能造新船……当然,相关的设备还得先找中国买……
现在啊,俄罗斯在军事技术方面是有绝活,也确实有深厚的功底,但是现实条件决定,这些都无法直接转换为俄军新装备的技术水平,也无法直接改善俄军的战斗力。因为从“技术绝活”、“深厚功底”到实际运用之间,其实还隔着千山万水呢,而且这也不仅仅是钱的问题了,还有人的问题——国家政策的问题,军方认识水平和重视程度的问题。
而且,俄罗斯现在的理工教育也多少有些问题了,据此前曾留学俄罗斯,学习航空、航天技术的多位朋友反映。他们上学的2010年前后那段时间,俄罗斯几个大名鼎鼎的理工科高等学府中,老师们都在感慨,真正勤奋学习的俄罗斯年轻人越来越少,反而是中国留学生的学习热情更高。
那接下来我就想到一个有意思的事儿,为什么在西方,虽然大部分学者(西方大学里天天讨论普京死后,俄罗斯再解体的前景)和负责战略的官员都清楚,正在衰退的俄罗斯其实对西方威胁不大,某个兔子皮已经快撑破了的国家才是西方强加给全世界的不合理政治经济制度的“掘墓人”,但在媒体上,风向却和这种共识完全相反。
随便看看美国主流媒体,甚至包括不那么主流的特朗普及其团队天天喊的话,搞的好像俄罗斯现在比苏联时代还强大,随时可能推平欧洲,威胁美国,再次掀起世界革命高潮似的。
就最简单的,在高超声速问题上,美国学术界已经认识到中国在这方面已经领先,而俄罗斯基本上是在靠“嘴炮”吹嘘,但到了媒体上,一说就是“中俄高超声速威胁”,“俄罗斯高超声速武器已经即将投入使用,所以我们必须要开发与之对抗的武器”,这时候反而就很少提起中国了。
甚至于,俄罗斯海军都已经成现在这德行了,居然美国参议员向海军提出关于FFG(X)护卫舰计划意见的时候,还在说,“要考虑大西洋护航的要求,万一俄罗斯进攻欧洲,我们还得让护卫舰保护运输船团前往欧洲……”不知道的还以为今年是1984年呢。
或许,这并不是西方国家真的不明白,只不过,既然国会老爷们还活在冷战年代,那么用冷战老对手刺激他们,显然更容易骗到钱。相比之下,西方媒体几十年如一日的宣传中国明天就要崩溃论,你突然告诉他们,中国很强大,可能马上就能击败我们了——老爷们才不会理你。
从这个角度说,有些读者说美国的涉华军力报告还有什么“内部版”……那就是不了解美国体制了——国会老爷们不需要了解真相,他们只需要了解军方希望他们了解的真相——所以这个报告当然就是我们看到的这个傻样子。当然了,军方自己是不会相信这种报告的。
其实不用说美国军方,就算是兰德公司这几年的报告,也能明显看出来美国对于中美俄如今的实力变化情况并非心中无数——有些事情美军其实门清,不说而已,人美军的高层也是政治高手,怎会自讨苦吃?
而且,最重要的地方在于,正是因为俄罗斯的虚弱,你投资下去,就明显能看到压倒他们的效果,非常明显;反而是在东亚,这投资是个无底洞,而且投资下去连个响都听不到……那对于追求“政绩KPI”的决策者们来说……怎么办还不明显吗?
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说话间,川普昨天就宣布复活第二舰队了,到是太平洋这边,折腾了半天的增强第七舰队计划到现在还没动静……毕竟“复活”第二舰队其实用不了添新船嘛
不过,这也带来一个问题,那就是在东亚地区的局势,可能出现国会老爷们,和一些官员,因为对这个地区的实际力量对比缺乏认识而做出一些“麻烦”的举动……比如,《与台湾关系法》和美军前太平洋司令的那些行为,这倒反而成了现在一个有点严重的问题。不过,有俄罗斯这个天生拉怪超稳的T在,看来我们这个兔子皮,还可以稳稳的在头上再顶几年。
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西方媒体把我们塑造成这个样子
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但照现在的趋势发展下去,咱们倒是可以期待这一幕……




After receiving the Su 35, China discovered that its soft rib radar was too badly suppressed by domestic fighters.
August 27, 2018, 12:32 Observer Network


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Original title: Weekly military review: What did the "Army 2018" show show?
Author's signature: Xi Asia
At this year's "Army 2018" exhibition, the orders announced by the Russian army are also quite embarrassing.
The most popular thing here is, of course, that the Russian army only purchased two Su-57 fighters before 2020. This is equivalent to the fact that the Russian military has reported on the performance of the existing Su-57. Dissatisfied, will not purchase a lot, and ask for a comprehensive and comprehensive improvement. In addition, the Russian military announced the purchase of 132 T-14 tanks, T-15 heavy infantry fighting vehicles also received some attention, which shows that the "Amata" car family can finally begin to deliver the Russian army at low speed. In contrast, the Russian army's procurement of "new tanks" is still on the T-90M and T-72B3, and the T-90M tanks will purchase one battalion (about 30 vehicles) this year. Of course, the T-90M and T-72B3 are all modified with off-the-shelf tanks, not new ones, which is not comparable to the production of “Amata”.
Everyone knows that Russia has been pursuing military reforms in recent years. We have repeatedly commented on it. The core of this is that from the Soviet era, the world war was the main mode of operation, and it was adapted to modern conditions. Conditional, more capable professional army.
The problem is that such a new type of army needs new weapons. At present, the military reform carried out by our military, on the one hand, sorts out the organizational structure of the troops, on the other hand, it is necessary to equip the troops after the military reform with new equipment to adapt to the new operational mode after the military reform.
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This year's "Army 2018" exhibition of the Russian military new equipment display is also a large collection of old equipment, the picture shows the Russian army to show BMP-1AM and BMP-2M infantry fighting vehicles
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T-90M tank for shooting demonstration
Russia has also designed weapons and equipment for the new war model they envisioned. The representative is the “Amata” car family – but because of its high cost and relatively mature technology, it is definitely not expected in the short term.
But there is another major difference between Russia and China, that is, they face enormous military pressure, and it is imperative to achieve military reform and "transformation."
Well, in this case, the Russian Army, like the Russian Navy, said, "two layers of skin." On the one hand, it began to purchase new equipment such as “Amata” tanks and began to form a new type of army; on the other hand, according to the experience of the Ukrainian conflict, it began to arm a “second-rate” with the old equipment of “Lapi” but it was The army that serves as the main force comes.
In other words, the Russian army found that it is still necessary to rely on "quantity, power" to overwhelm opponents, and "intelligent, flexible" or something, can only be expected.
We all know that the premise of adopting a newer type of warfare is to equip a new generation of informational weapons. Then use the "Lapi old equipment" is not able to achieve this effect anyway, then both the old equipment and the combat strength should be used - the only option is to return to the old establishment.
Therefore, we have seen the traditionally-made units such as the Guards Tank Group Army formed by the Russian military in recent years, and these units are precisely the use of T-72B3, BMP-1AM, BMP-2M, and the resurrection of large caliber artillery. ... the troops of these weapons.
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The Group’s Artillery Brigade is equipped with 203 howitzers and 240 mortars, followed by the S-300V. These equipments are all years old.
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The Tunguska self-defense system is equipped with a gleaming new photoelectric head.
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Participated in various defense exhibitions for many years, but this year began to equip the Russian Army’s “Nona” 120mm mortar
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"Beech M3" air defense missile
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The soldier in the picture is equipped with an unpowered exoskeleton with a set of power armor models...
In fact, since 2008, the Russian Army has almost experienced a process of reconstruction.
Recently, the biggest progress of the new generation of old equipment modified vehicles exhibited by the Russian military is that most of them are equipped with the "Pine-U" thermal imager, which was built in Russia by the introduction of French technology. What was strangely felt before was how Russia continued to maintain production after France’s sanctions against Russia, because previous news said that some key components still have to be imported from France. But at this year's "Army 2018" exhibition, some Chinese companies said that at present, several companies in Russia that produce thermal imaging cameras have a cooperative relationship with them... Although this is not enough evidence, I think... China and Russia’s thermal imager’s “small relationship” can still be said. This is also a basic premise for Russia to promote thermal imaging cameras in a new generation of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. This is the basic premise of the promotion of thermal imaging cameras in the new generation of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.
The author has said before that Russia will sooner or later be "speaking properly"... Now at least the thermal imager... Congratulations to China's thermal imaging company.
Similarly, the fighter units of the Russian Air Force will be basically "reconstructed" after 2010. Its current combat capability is using fighters that have been modified since the 21st century. After all, fighters and tanks are different. In high-tech wars, fighters 20 years ago are now going out to win in air combat. There is almost no chance for people, but instead of tanks 20 years ago, they can at least bully light armor targets or infantry.
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The People’s Liberation Army Su-27SK has demonstrated in Thailand that the Su-27, which uses a reversing antenna, is no longer able to overwhelm modern fighters in mid-air combat, even if the opponent is a small “eagle lion”.
But the limitations of Russia's basic technical conditions have determined its fighters...
When the Su-35 fighters had just received the PLA troops, they used to drive the pilots of the former Su-27-27, and they rated it very high. They thought that everything was good, including the improvement of avionics. But... After a period of use, everyone's views have changed. In particular, although some auxiliary equipment of the aircraft still cannot meet the needs of participating in the "Golden Helmet" competition, the aircraft can only carry out some research-oriented "pairs" with the third-generation fighters of our army, such as the 歼-10C of the friendly troops. Practice "...but it has been very obvious that the Su-35's avionics equipment has no advantage in actual combat conditions, but it is often in a situation of being bullied. Especially in terms of electronic countermeasures, the Su-35, which uses a passive array radar, faces the 歼-10C, which uses an active array, and basically has only a suppressed portion.
Su-35 is like this, the Su-27SM3, Su-27SM, Su-30SM and other electronic equipment and the Su-35 are even worse than the plane. Now, in retrospect, China insisted on domestically-- The 11 series of aircraft adopts the new electronic equipment developed by China itself, which is far-sighted. Some pilots even said that the installation of the Su-16's avionics equipment on the Su-35 may actually improve the Su-35's combat capability. Although the Su-57 claims to have a brand-new electronic device, it is far from the point of view of the degree of integration of the products that Russia took out at the air show. Not stealth, the aeronautical power is almost meaning, the most important thing is that the state money is tight... Su-57 is finally "cool" and easy to understand.
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SU-27SM's N001VP radar is replaced with a flat slot antenna, which is certainly much better than the "reverse card" antenna, but it is not considered an advanced product.
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Although the advanced level of the Su-30SM fighter is also the case, in the years when the oil price is high and the Russian economy is booming, the Russian army is also purchasing at a rate of more than 20 per year.
There is also the Navy. This year's "Army 2018" exhibition on the Russian Krylov Design Bureau showed two models, one is the "storm" class expelled ship that everyone has never seen before (many media translated as "Leader" class destroyers ), one is the new 40,000-ton aircraft carrier. The new aircraft carrier also plans to use nuclear power with a catapult.
Expelling the ship, let’s not say him, the model of the 40,000-ton aircraft carrier... there are actually three lifts, two of which are inboard lifts - the overall feeling is that this is a reduction of the bridge, and Adjusted to the normal position of the Indian "Vikramatia"... 甭 咋 咋 , 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 这 至少 至少 至少 至少 至少 至少 至少 至少 至少 至少 至少 至少After a few "Kirov" class cruisers and "Kuznetsov", the famous "big pit" made room out - maybe it can be launched... Hey, Russia is indian, this is also not live.
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This year, the Krylov Bureau brought in a 40,000-ton "reasonable and improved" super-Japanese king"...
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Indian "Super King" aircraft carrier
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It is estimated that they themselves understand that the 100,000-ton super-aircraft carrier that was brought in the past few years is now unable to build Russia...
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In a few years, add a few gantry cranes to this "big pit" and dig the pits in order to make a new boat. Of course, the new equipment can be built first...
Now, Russia has a unique skill in military technology, and it does have a profound foundation. However, the actual conditions determine that these cannot be directly converted into the technical level of the Russian military's new equipment, nor can it directly improve the combat effectiveness of the Russian army. Because from the "technical skills", "deep foundation" to the actual use, it is actually separated by thousands of mountains and waters, and this is not just a question of money, there are people's problems - the issue of national policy, the army The issue of understanding the level and importance of the party.
Moreover, Russia’s current science and engineering education is somewhat problematic. According to many friends who have studied in Russia and studied aviation and aerospace technology. During the period around 2010, when they went to school, in the famous universities of science and engineering in Russia, the teachers were feeling that there were fewer and fewer young Russians who were really diligent in learning. On the contrary, the enthusiasm of Chinese students was higher.
Then I thought of an interesting thing. Why is it that in the West, although most scholars (the future of Western universities discussing the prospect of Russia’s re-disintegration after the death of Putin) and the officials responsible for the strategy are clear, the Russians that are in recession are actually The threat of the West is not big. A country whose rabbit skin has already broken through is the “digger” that the West imposes on the irrational political and economic system of the whole world. However, in the media, the wind direction is completely opposite to this consensus.
Just look at the mainstream media in the United States, and even the less mainstream Trump and his team shouting every day, it seems that Russia is now stronger than the Soviet era, and it is possible to flatten Europe at any time, threaten the United States, and once again set off the world revolutionary climax.
On the simplest, on the issue of hypersonic speed, the American academic community has realized that China has taken the lead in this respect, and Russia basically relies on "mouth guns" to boast, but in the media, it is said that "China-Russia hypersonic speed "Threats", "Russia hypersonic weapons are about to be put into use, so we must develop weapons against them." At this time, China is rarely mentioned.
Even the Russian Navy has become the virtue of the present. When the US Senate asked the Navy about the FFG(X) frigate plan, he still said, "To consider the requirements of Atlantic escort, in case Russia attacks Europe, we I have to let the frigates protect the transport fleet to Europe..." I don’t know if this year is 1984.
Perhaps this is not something that the Western countries really don't understand. However, since the congressional lords still lived in the Cold War era, it is obviously easier to swindle money by stimulating them with the old rivals of the Cold War. In contrast, the Western media has been advocating China for a few decades, and it is about to collapse. You suddenly tell them that China is very powerful and may be able to beat us right away - the lords will not care about you.
From this perspective, some readers say that there is still an "internal version" in the US military report on China... that is, they don't understand the American system. The Congressmen do not need to know the truth. They only need to know what the military wants them to understand. The truth - so this report is of course the silly we see. Of course, the military itself will not believe in such reports.
In fact, it goes without saying that the US military, even if it is the report of the RAND Corporation in recent years, it is obvious that the United States is not in the heart of the changes in the strength of China, the United States and Russia. Some things are actually clear, not to mention people. The top US military is also a political master. How can you ask for it?
Moreover, the most important thing is that it is precisely because of Russia's weakness that when you invest in it, you can obviously see the effect of overwhelming them. It is very obvious. On the other hand, in East Asia, this investment is a bottomless pit, and investment is going to be heard. Not... It’s not obvious to policy makers who are pursuing “political KPIs”...
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During the speech, Trump announced the resurrection of the Second Fleet yesterday. On the Pacific side, the plan to strengthen the Seventh Fleet has not been moved until now. After all, the "Resurrection" Second Fleet can not add new ships.
However, this also brings up a problem, that is, in the situation in East Asia, there may be some congressional lords, and some officials, because of the lack of understanding of the actual strength of the region to make some "trouble" moves ... For example, The "Taiwan Relations Act" and the actions of the former US Pacific Commander have turned into a somewhat serious problem. However, there is a Russian T, which is inherently ridiculous and extremely stable. It seems that our rabbit skin can still be stable on the head for a few more years.
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Western media has shaped us like this
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But as the current trend continues, we can expect this scene...
Keywords: Chinese fighter radar
 
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