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US May Scrap F-35 Altogether While FAP Traitors Buy Them in Bulk!

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[h=1]Canceling Lockheed F-35 Said to Be Among Pentagon Options[/h]
<cite class="byline"> By Tony Capaccio - Aug 2, 2013 12:00 PM GMT+0800</cite>


Canceling the $391.2 billion program to build Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT)’s F-35 fighter jet is among options the Pentagon listed in its “strategic review” of choices if forced to live with automatic budget cuts, according to people familiar with Defense Department briefings.
The F-35 was a program listed for potential elimination in charts at briefings held July 31 by the Defense Department, according to the people, who asked not to be identified discussing the closed-door sessions.

Enlarge image[h=3]Canceling Lockheed F-35 Said to Be Option in Pentagon Review[/h]
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Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-35 jet is the Pentagon’s costliest weapon system, with the estimated price tag of $391.2 billion for a fleet of 2,443 aircraft, up 68 percent from the projection in 2001, as measured in current dollars.



Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-35 jet is the Pentagon’s costliest weapon system, with the estimated price tag of $391.2 billion for a fleet of 2,443 aircraft, up 68 percent from the projection in 2001, as measured in current dollars. Photographer: Mike Fuentes/Bloomberg



Scrapping the fighter wasn’t among options disclosed to reporters that day by Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel as he outlined in broad terms results of the review he ordered of alternative approaches if the military must continue to absorb about $50 billion a year in cuts under the process known as sequestration. Hagel indicated the Pentagon may have to choose between a “much smaller force” and a decade-long “holiday” from modernizing weapons systems and technology.
“We have gone to great lengths to stress that this review identified, through a rigorous process of strategic modeling, possible decisions we might face under scenarios we may or may not face in the future,” Pentagon spokesman George Little said in an e-mailed statement. “Any suggestion that we’re now moving away from key modernization programs as a result of yesterday’s discussion of the outcomes of the review would be incorrect.”
[h=2]Protecting F-35[/h]The F-35 is the Pentagon’s costliest weapon system, with the estimated price tag of $391.2 billion for a fleet of 2,443 aircraft, up 68 percent from the projection in 2001, as measured in current dollars. The rising costs and troubles in building the plane as it’s still being developed have led to criticism in Congress.
The Pentagon moved to protect the F-35 from sequestration’s initial impact this year, locking in several contracts before the cuts took effect. Frank Kendall, the Defense Department’s chief weapons buyer, has said he will continue to do his best to protect the plane built by Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed in the future.
Based on that track record, “the implication is that any ‘option’ to kill the program is an academic exercise rather than a serious possibility,” according to Loren Thompson, a defense analyst with the nonprofit Arlington, Virginia-based Lexington Institute. Thompson wasn’t briefed on the charts.
While the Pentagon and its supporters have lobbied for relief from sequestration, President Barack Obama and congressional leaders aren’t engaged in active efforts to find an alternative to the automatic cuts.
[h=2]Protecting Weapons[/h]In Hagel’s presentation to reporters, he cited the F-35 among weapons systems that could be protected if substantial cuts are made instead to forces.
Asked on July 31 whether there is an emerging consensus in the Pentagon about protecting forces or weapons capability, Admiral James Winnefeld, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, predicted “we will edge slightly probably toward capability, because we have to keep our industrial base alive, we have to keep focusing on new technologies.”
Pentagon officials and the Government Accountability Office have said this year that the F-35 is making steady progress in development and flight testing.
Lockheed and the Pentagon reached an accord this week for the company to produce 71 more F-35 jet fighters, saying costs per plane have been reduced by about 4 percent.
[h=2]‘High Priority’[/h]“The F-35 is a very high priority,” Kendall, the undersecretary for acquisition, said in July 15 interview. “Could we protect it completely? I’m not sure. We have to look at all the trade-offs. We may address some of those decisions in the fall, but right now, we are committed to the program. That hasn’t changed.”
The supersonic F-35 was intended to transform military aviation. Three versions for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps would be built off a common assembly line, an approach designed to permit faster production, reduced costs and compatibility among allied air forces.
About a quarter of the aircraft would be purchased by other countries. Norway, Canada, the U.K., Australia, Turkey, Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark and the U.S. agreed in 2006 to cooperatively produce and sustain the F-35 jet. Israel and Japan later signed on to purchase jets and take part in their development.
To contact the reporter on this story: Tony Capaccio in Washington at [email protected]
To contact the editor responsible for this story: John Walcott at [email protected]
 
The FAP Traitors will pay any amount to bribe the Yankees into silence on their dictatorial ways!

http://www.todayonline.com/commentary/f-35-singapores-next-generation-fighter

[h=1]The F-35: Singapore’s next generation fighter?[/h]<!-- /.block --><article class="node-103596 article node node-article node-promoted view-mode-highlight_article clearfix" typeof="sioc:Item foaf:Document" about="/commentary/f-35-singapores-next-generation-fighter"><header></header> Singapore’s interest in the JSF can be traced back to 2003, when it joined the JSF programme as a Security Co-operation Participant. Photo: Reuters

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By[h=2]Kelvin Wong[/h] -

02 April
Singapore is poised to make a decision on acquiring new fighter aircraft to replace an ageing segment of its fleet.
During last month’s Committee of Supply debate, Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen expressed Singapore’s desire to acquire new military platforms, particularly for the air force and navy. Noting that two of the Republic of Singapore Air Force’s (RSAF’s) main air combat platforms are either approaching mid-life or the end of their operational life cycles, Dr Ng revealed that his ministry was close to completing its evaluation of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) as a potential replacement for its ageing fighters.
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According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies’ Military Balance, the RSAF’s current air combat fleet comprises 24 Boeing F-15SGs, 20 Lockheed Martin F-16Cs and 40 F-16Ds, as well as 28 Northrop F-5S and nine F-5T Tiger IIs. While the F-15SGs were recently acquired in 2008 as a replacement for its retired A-4SU Super Skyhawk fleet, the F-16C/Ds entered service in the late 1990s while the F-5S/Ts have been operational since the late 1970s.
THE JSF PROGRAMME: A TROUBLED ENDEAVOUR
The JSF programme, now costing a record US$396 billion (S$492 billion), is an ambitious international combat aircraft development and acquisition project involving the United States and 10 foreign partners — Britain, Italy, Canada, Norway, Turkey, Denmark, the Netherlands, Australia, Japan and potentially South Korea.
Its key selling point is a relatively affordable, yet stealthy “fifth generation” (characterised by highly advanced avionics and radar-evading features) air combat platform, capable of replacing a variety of existing aircraft in air force inventories today.
In comparison, the F-22 Raptor, the only other fifth generation Western aircraft currently in existence, cost around US$74 billion to develop and build.
However, the programme is seven years behind schedule and continues to be beset by technical complications and significant cost overruns. While these issues are par for the course with any large-scale research and development programme, the latter issue has become the stuff of nightmares for partners.
The overall cost for each JSF platform is kept “affordable” by the expected sale of a large quantity of the aircraft — more than 3,000 JSFs are expected to be acquired by the US and its partner nations, although the number has been adjusted downwards in recent years as soaring costs and defence cutbacks have spooked partner nations.
With the uncertainty over the dismal defence budget outlook in the US and in Europe, it is not difficult to imagine further cuts to JSF procurement, a result which would have serious implications for the programme.
ASSESSING SINGAPORE’S INTEREST
Singapore’s interest in the JSF can be traced back to 2003, when it joined the JSF programme as a Security Co-operation Participant along with Israel which subsequently ordered 20 JSFs at a cost of US$2.75 billion in October 2010.
While Lockheed Martin has certainly spared no effort in marketing the JSF here over the past decade, Singapore defence officials have kept mum on any commitment to procure the aircraft, preferring to await additional information to become available as the programme developed.
The picture became slightly clearer in 2007 when the then chief of air force, Major General Ng Chee Khern, revealed the JSF as a contender alongside the Boeing F-15SG to replace the RSAF’s ageing F-5 fleet.
The F-15 series of fighters are combat-proven aircraft with an unsurpassed record of over a hundred combat victories and no losses in air-to-air combat, and as a mature programme it presents considerably less risk of failure.
Moreover, the RSAF has been training with the customised Singapore F-15SG variant since 2009 and is already well into the process of operationalising its first squadron. These factors will no doubt feature prominently in the selection process of the F-5’s replacement.
Given Singapore’s characteristically cautious approach in major defence acquisition programmes — defence planners here have typically opted to minimise risk by acquiring tested and proven platforms such as the F-15 fighters, Leopard 2 tanks and upgraded ex-Swedish Navy submarines — it will be surprising if they do commit to the JSF at this stage of development, when the prospect of further technical glitches and/or cost hikes is still likely.
The prudence is certainly well founded. The Australian experience with the JSF programme presents a stark lesson on the peril of taking on too much risk in defence acquisition.
Recently released documents, obtained by media under a freedom of information inquiry, the former Liberal government and air force officials were revealed to have disregarded a warning from the defence ministry that an accurate assessment of the JSF was impossible with the information available in 2002, and advised that Australia widen its options.
Despite the counsel, the Liberal government sank A$300 million (S$388 million) into the programme. As a consequence, the subsequent Labor government has had to plug the capability gap created by the delay in JSF deliveries and the retirement of some of its aircraft.
AS A LONG-TERM OPTION?
There is, nevertheless, still a strong case for the JSF as Singapore’s next generation fighter in a future acquisition programme.
A key aspect of Singapore’s defence doctrine is maintaining a qualitative edge over other South-east Asian nations. But Singapore’s technological superiority over its neighbours could diminish in an increasingly tough neighbourhood, characterised by heightened defence spending and acquisition of increasingly sophisticated defence equipment.
While such moves may not necessarily guarantee increased military capability, it nevertheless incentivises Singapore defence planners to consider the JSF on more favourable terms.
The fact remains that the JSF is the only (and probably last) fifth generation Western combat aircraft currently being developed which, in addition to its much-touted stealth characteristics and sensor capabilities, offers more room for further upgrades in contrast to the already mature F-15 design conceived in the 1960s.
Unless Singapore is willing to consider Chinese or Russian fifth generation options — a distinctly remote, if not altogether impossible prospect when considering Singapore’s traditional preference for US or Western-made equipment — or even turn to unmanned combat platforms when those technologies mature, then the JSF seems like the only viable option for maintaining regional air superiority in the long term.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
Kelvin Wong is a Programme Manager (Military Studies Programme) at the SAF-NTU Academy. The views expressed are his own.

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just speculation and rumors. totally useless thread.
 
Each cost US$160m. That very expensive toy.
If included maintenance/cost to run it it will add another min $20m/year.
 
Let's not forget the F-25 is not just bought by Singapore but by European nations . So TS assertion is biased.
 
even without F35, RSAF already has a significant quality edge over regional airforce. There is simply no need to spend this sort of money at this moment.
 
even without F35, RSAF already has a significant quality edge over regional airforce. There is simply no need to spend this sort of money at this moment.

Malaysian Sukhois can even beat the F-35.
 
big debate in the pentagon between pilotless/drone proponents and general staff who are former air force pilots.
 
Malaysian Sukhois can even beat the F-35.

Modern aerial warfare is never a matter of platform vs another platform but system vs system. System consist of AWACS, air refueling, C4ISR other than fighter jets. I don't see how anyone in the region can match RSAF even in the next decade. Buying F-35 is redundant.
 
Maybe US decided its cheaper to buy the copy of f35 from china?
 
Modern aerial warfare is never a matter of platform vs another platform but system vs system. System consist of AWACS, air refueling, C4ISR other than fighter jets. I don't see how anyone in the region can match RSAF even in the next decade. Buying F-35 is redundant.


It's not about defence but how a countries resources are spent. Our neighbours are more pre-occupied with the welfare of their citizens. While the PAP seems more pre-occupied with lining their own pockets.

The economy of our neighbours are booming while many Sporeans are struggling. We will see how much more the 60% can tolerate being squeezed.
 
Modern aerial warfare is never a matter of platform vs another platform but system vs system. System consist of AWACS, air refueling, C4ISR other than fighter jets. I don't see how anyone in the region can match RSAF even in the next decade. Buying F-35 is redundant.

you want to try and see?
 
What a pile of bullshit. Welfare? Might as well be communist then (I said communist, not authoritarian).

It's not about defence but how a countries resources are spent. Our neighbours are more pre-occupied with the welfare of their citizens. While the PAP seems more pre-occupied with lining their own pockets.

The economy of our neighbours are booming while many Sporeans are struggling. We will see how much more the 60% can tolerate being squeezed.
 
This purchase is a very expensive protection fee to the US gahmen :eek:
The Defense Budget has not decrease all these years :rolleyes:
Wonder whose pockets will grow deeper
:oIo:
 
This purchase is a very expensive protection fee to the US gahmen :eek:
The Defense Budget has not decrease all these years :rolleyes:
Wonder whose pockets will grow deeper
:oIo:

that's because LKY served the Japs. He says military is the way to go.
 
What a pile of bullshit. Welfare? Might as well be communist then (I said communist, not authoritarian).


Anyone who thinks it's bullshit only has to look at the high cost of living in Spore. It's been discussed many times in this forum.
The PAP themselves have admitted that Spore is run like a business.
 
Regardless of scrap or no scrap all these purchases got a lot of kickbacks for leegime.
 
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