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Tsinoys in Pinoyland - Can Pinoys integrate into Singapore like Tsinoys in Pinoyland?
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there is an article on yahoo on this my friend...here u go...http://chinabusinessphilippines.com...the-best-of-the-filipino-and-the-chinese&cati..
The Chinese are perceived to be business-minded, good in mathematics, rich, industrious, thrifty, dynamic, and persevering. But undercurrents of racism and latent racial animosity have always been beneath the surface. This has not really been problematic in modern times, except on occasions when politicians deliberately exploit the issue and fan racial unrest to serve their own ends. Political candidates or interest groups would deliberately raise the specter of the Chinese menace especially during elections.
However, the image of Tsinoys (short for Tsinong Pinoy or Chinese Filipino) today is vastly different from the immigrant intsik (Chinese) of yesteryear. The ethnic Chinese in contemporary Philippine life are integral to Philippine society: their destinies are inseparable from that of Filipinos.
Around 90% of the close to a million ethnic Chinese (who make up 1.2% of the total Philippine population) are local born. Although they recognize and take pride in their Chinese roots and ancestry, their bonds are with the Filipino people; their future, with the Filipino nation.
This generation comes from the best Philippine schools, is politicized by the Philippine environment, and can articulate concerns to public officials. Today, Chinese Filipinos are no longer passive bystanders waiting for change to happen. They respond actively to new challenges and work for meaningful reforms in Philippine society.
This is one reality, which the Tsinoys hope both their own government, the Philippines, and China, the country of their ancestors, would recognize. Before relations between China and the Philippines were normalized, both countries first agreed to solve the so-called “Chinese problem.” This referred to the sizable number of long-time Chinese residents in the Philippines, including those born here but who were still considered Chinese citizens.
The problem was solved on the eve of diplomatic relations through Letter of Instruction 270, an executive decree by then President Ferdinand Marcos. It granted Filipino citizenship through a greatly facilitated and speedy administrative process. National interest dictated that the Philippine government grant citizenship to local Chinese lest they fall under the jurisdiction of a foreign government.
Today, with majority of the ethnic Chinese already well integrated into mainstream Filipino society, there is no longer a “Chinese problem.” Instead, the problems of the ethnic Chinese community have become national issues.
Integration is especially marked among the younger, local-born generation, and this process has happened smoothly as a natural social phenomenon. Not only does this hold true among Manila-based Chinese, but even more so among those who live in the provinces. The evolution of the Chinese—from traders and seafarers to sojourners or hua qiao and later immigrants or permanent residents—has been a long, difficult process.
That ethnic Chinese make up only a very small percentage (both relative to the total Philippine population and in absolute numbers) is a deciding factor in the socio-cultural makeup of the youth, who are more at home in a westernized Filipino rather than a purely Chinese cultural milieu. The ethnic barriers that separated their parents from their Filipino peers are no longer as obvious as they were before.
There is a mutual enrichment and enhancement of positive elements in each culture. As in the early days when Chinese products were a prime commodity for exchange in the international market, the Chinese themselves have also become agents of change that help bring development to the Filipino nation.
Philippine soil and social environment have nurtured a new generation of Chinese Filipinos who confidently accept their identity as Filipinos, yet remain proud of their Chinese heritage. With their Chinese language abilities, Tsinoys are natural links, directly or indirectly, to the vast supermarket that is China and to the rest of the world.
there is an article on yahoo on this my friend...here u go...http://chinabusinessphilippines.com...the-best-of-the-filipino-and-the-chinese&cati..
The Chinese are perceived to be business-minded, good in mathematics, rich, industrious, thrifty, dynamic, and persevering. But undercurrents of racism and latent racial animosity have always been beneath the surface. This has not really been problematic in modern times, except on occasions when politicians deliberately exploit the issue and fan racial unrest to serve their own ends. Political candidates or interest groups would deliberately raise the specter of the Chinese menace especially during elections.
However, the image of Tsinoys (short for Tsinong Pinoy or Chinese Filipino) today is vastly different from the immigrant intsik (Chinese) of yesteryear. The ethnic Chinese in contemporary Philippine life are integral to Philippine society: their destinies are inseparable from that of Filipinos.
Around 90% of the close to a million ethnic Chinese (who make up 1.2% of the total Philippine population) are local born. Although they recognize and take pride in their Chinese roots and ancestry, their bonds are with the Filipino people; their future, with the Filipino nation.
This generation comes from the best Philippine schools, is politicized by the Philippine environment, and can articulate concerns to public officials. Today, Chinese Filipinos are no longer passive bystanders waiting for change to happen. They respond actively to new challenges and work for meaningful reforms in Philippine society.
This is one reality, which the Tsinoys hope both their own government, the Philippines, and China, the country of their ancestors, would recognize. Before relations between China and the Philippines were normalized, both countries first agreed to solve the so-called “Chinese problem.” This referred to the sizable number of long-time Chinese residents in the Philippines, including those born here but who were still considered Chinese citizens.
The problem was solved on the eve of diplomatic relations through Letter of Instruction 270, an executive decree by then President Ferdinand Marcos. It granted Filipino citizenship through a greatly facilitated and speedy administrative process. National interest dictated that the Philippine government grant citizenship to local Chinese lest they fall under the jurisdiction of a foreign government.
Today, with majority of the ethnic Chinese already well integrated into mainstream Filipino society, there is no longer a “Chinese problem.” Instead, the problems of the ethnic Chinese community have become national issues.
Integration is especially marked among the younger, local-born generation, and this process has happened smoothly as a natural social phenomenon. Not only does this hold true among Manila-based Chinese, but even more so among those who live in the provinces. The evolution of the Chinese—from traders and seafarers to sojourners or hua qiao and later immigrants or permanent residents—has been a long, difficult process.
That ethnic Chinese make up only a very small percentage (both relative to the total Philippine population and in absolute numbers) is a deciding factor in the socio-cultural makeup of the youth, who are more at home in a westernized Filipino rather than a purely Chinese cultural milieu. The ethnic barriers that separated their parents from their Filipino peers are no longer as obvious as they were before.
There is a mutual enrichment and enhancement of positive elements in each culture. As in the early days when Chinese products were a prime commodity for exchange in the international market, the Chinese themselves have also become agents of change that help bring development to the Filipino nation.
Philippine soil and social environment have nurtured a new generation of Chinese Filipinos who confidently accept their identity as Filipinos, yet remain proud of their Chinese heritage. With their Chinese language abilities, Tsinoys are natural links, directly or indirectly, to the vast supermarket that is China and to the rest of the world.
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Do you know a few filippino presidents have chinese roots. The current one has roots in fujian i believe. You notice the difference between the chinese as a minority and how they are treated and how other races are treated as a minority in chinese society. The minorities in chinese society actually lead rather decent lives. I don't think any chinese govt actually uses racism to bully the minorities. I'm sure there's no such thing as being openly racist to minorities in chinese society. This is in contrast when chinese are minorities in other countries and it's perfectly fine to be openly racist to them. Politicians using racism to try to win votes. If the population was against racism they would have condemned the politicians for doing that. You need more chinese to stand for their rights instead of somehow always allowing others to abuse them. Just like the malays in singapore whereby anything -ve no matter how small it is written about them is somehow racist and supposed to be offensive.
Do you know a few filippino presidents have chinese roots. The current one has roots in fujian i believe. You notice the difference between the chinese as a minority and how they are treated and how other races are treated as a minority in chinese society. The minorities in chinese society actually lead rather decent lives. I don't think any chinese govt actually uses racism to bully the minorities. I'm sure there's no such thing as being openly racist to minorities in chinese society. This is in contrast when chinese are minorities in other countries and it's perfectly fine to be openly racist to them. Politicians using racism to try to win votes. If the population was against racism they would have condemned the politicians for doing that. You need more chinese to stand for their rights instead of somehow always allowing others to abuse them. Just like the malays in singapore whereby anything -ve no matter how small it is written about them is somehow racist and supposed to be offensive.
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Not exacted true. Chinese Communist China have tortured the Tibetans and other minorities in China.
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That was to take over the land but it's a fact that in china a minority has more perks compared to a han chinese and they are allowed to have more than 1 child i believe.
That was to take over the land but it's a fact that in china a minority has more perks compared to a han chinese and they are allowed to have more than 1 child i believe.
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Did you know about 20% of Filipinos have some Chinese ancestry? President Corazon Aquino, Cardinal Jaime Sin, and national hero Jose Rizal are some of the more famous "Tsinoys", or Chinese Filipinos.
As the Philippines is so close to Fujian province, Chinese influence in Filipino culture dates back centuries and is as ubiquitous as pancit and lumpia. The first Spanish-established Chinatown was the Parian, which later became Binondo.
Did you know about 20% of Filipinos have some Chinese ancestry? President Corazon Aquino, Cardinal Jaime Sin, and national hero Jose Rizal are some of the more famous "Tsinoys", or Chinese Filipinos.
As the Philippines is so close to Fujian province, Chinese influence in Filipino culture dates back centuries and is as ubiquitous as pancit and lumpia. The first Spanish-established Chinatown was the Parian, which later became Binondo.
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My question is therefore whether Singapore can be successful in intehrating so many FTs. Countries in the world take years if not tens of years. I think we may be even see any tangible integration within the next 10 years...
My question is therefore whether Singapore can be successful in intehrating so many FTs. Countries in the world take years if not tens of years. I think we may be even see any tangible integration within the next 10 years...
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The Chinese diaspora is all over the world. It does not make Pinoys any less annoying.
The Chinese diaspora is all over the world. It does not make Pinoys any less annoying.
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Filipinos and Filipinas are here to make a buck. They value the democracy in their country. Most of them have no intention to remain in sinkapore.
Filipinos and Filipinas are here to make a buck. They value the democracy in their country. Most of them have no intention to remain in sinkapore.
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It doesn't make sinkies any less annoying either.
It doesn't make sinkies any less annoying either.
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Fully agree...in every race, dialect group or otherwise, there are bound to be annoying people.
Fully agree...in every race, dialect group or otherwise, there are bound to be annoying people.
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As we can see, the Chinese minorities are well accepted by the pinoys and even become presidents, rizal, marcos, aquino etc.
We too should reflect and learn from them and be accepting towards pinoys too.
As we can see, the Chinese minorities are well accepted by the pinoys and even become presidents, rizal, marcos, aquino etc.
We too should reflect and learn from them and be accepting towards pinoys too.
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True, but the Pinoys in Sg must make an effort at integration too.
True, but the Pinoys in Sg must make an effort at integration too.
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That explains why PHP has been the sick man or SEA,,all the rich are all hokkeins,,the most stingy southern dialect group,,,just that lucky they converted to Catholicism and integrated with the locals,,contrast that to Indon,,my kawan in Jakarta is 3rd generation Hokkein and his grand father from Fujian,,but his dad and him cant speak Hokkein due to the persecution of the chinese,,so they had to keep their roots quiet etc,,,and they stand out amongst the locals,,and remain as Buddhist,,and they are well off so become easy targets for the Indons,,,
In Pinoyland,,same religion same language, same name,,look similar,,so how to differentiate??+ I admit,,Pinoys are more tolerant
That explains why PHP has been the sick man or SEA,,all the rich are all hokkeins,,the most stingy southern dialect group,,,just that lucky they converted to Catholicism and integrated with the locals,,contrast that to Indon,,my kawan in Jakarta is 3rd generation Hokkein and his grand father from Fujian,,but his dad and him cant speak Hokkein due to the persecution of the chinese,,so they had to keep their roots quiet etc,,,and they stand out amongst the locals,,and remain as Buddhist,,and they are well off so become easy targets for the Indons,,,
In Pinoyland,,same religion same language, same name,,look similar,,so how to differentiate??+ I admit,,Pinoys are more tolerant
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They do. Especially their kids.
They do. Especially their kids.
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I willing to accept their Pub gals into Spore but not their menfolks..
But few of their Pub gals really tried their best during their integration sessions with me.. LOL..
I willing to accept their Pub gals into Spore but not their menfolks..
But few of their Pub gals really tried their best during their integration sessions with me.. LOL..
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Yeeah I agree,,,good looking pub gals are ok,,the guys can go back,,,,
Yeeah I agree,,,good looking pub gals are ok,,the guys can go back,,,,
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The singkie gals wont agree w you
The singkie gals wont agree w you
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