Chitchat Trump's massive voter fraud claim based on this

[winnipegjets]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/26/trum...re-reportedly-sparked-by-bernhard-langer.html

President Donald Trump reportedly told congressional leaders a story he heard from golfer Bernhard Langer to back his unsubstantiated claims that 3 million to 5 million "illegals" voted in the 2016 election.

Trump repeated his claim about widespread voter fraud, which is backed by no evidence, in a Monday meeting with lawmakers. When Democrats called foul, Trump relayed a story that he said Langer told him, The New York Times reported, citing three staff members who were in the room.

Trump said that Langer, a two-time Masters champion, waited in line to vote in Florida on Election Day before an official said he was not allowed to, witnesses told the Times. Trump went on to say that Langer stood next to people who did not look like they should be allowed to vote but who were able to cast provisional ballots, the newspaper reported.

Trump then floated the Latin American countries those voters could have hailed from, according to the Times. The report said the story "was greeted with silence" and White House chief of staff Reince Priebus urged Trump to change the subject.

A White House official disputed that version of events, saying Trump told a story passed to Langer by one of his friends, according to the newspaper. Langer's daughter told the Times that her father is a German citizen who cannot vote in the United States and is not a friend of Trump.

Trump has used his unsubstantiated belief that millions voted illegally to call for a "major investigation" into voter fraud.

 

[virus]

Dems: Trump voter fraud 'fantasy' a distraction from Russian help
By Rebecca Savransky - 01/25/17 11:26 AM EST

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) on Wednesday knocked President Trump for his claims of rampant voter fraud during the 2016 election, calling them a distraction.

The DNC said in a statement that "everyone knows there was no massive voter fraud in the election," arguing Trump's allegations were an effort to distract people from Russian meddling in the election.

"He can't let go of his voter fraud fantasy — both because he cannot bear the thought that millions more Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than for him, and to cover up the real crime: Russian efforts to help him win," the DNC said.

The president on Wednesday announced he would ask for a "major investigation into voter fraud." He said in a series of tweets that the country would "strengthen up voting procedures" depending on the results of the investigation.

The DNC mocked Trump's call for an investigation involving "phantom voters."

"While he’s throwing away taxpayer dollars looking for millions of phantom voters, Trump might as well investigate the whereabouts of Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster too," the DNC said.

"If he’s interested in doing his new job as our President, he should protect our nation by cooperating with Congress and the Intelligence Community investigations into Russia's attack on our elections and his team’s potential collusion with them.”
Trump said during a White House meeting with congressional leaders earlier this week he lost the popular vote because of rampant voter fraud by "illegals."

Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by more than 2.8 million votes, but Trump won the Electoral College.

During the presidential campaign, Trump frequently claimed without evidence that the election was rigged and alleged widespread voter fraud.

Several lawmakers and reporters have since disputed the president's claims about rampant voter fraud, saying there is no evidence to back up his allegations.

A declassified report released by the intelligence community earlier this month said Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a widespread influence campaign intended to help elect Trump to the White House.

The Senate Intelligence Committee announced earlier this week it is moving forward with its probe into Russian meddling in the presidential race.


http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...aud-fantasy-a-distraction-from-russian-aid-in

 

[virus]

The left is falling for Trump's voter fraud bait
Jake Novak | @jakejakeny
22 Hours Ago



What's the top political story right now? There are a lot of juicy ones to choose from, but a quick look at the key newspapers, news websites, and cable news stations tells us that issue #1 is suddenly President Trump's claim that millions of votes were cast illegally for his opponents in the 2016 presidential election. The conventional wisdom says this is a black eye for the White House and a distraction from his agenda. Once again when it comes to all things Trump, the conventional wisdom is wrong.

The "experts" did have it half right. This voter fraud claim is a distraction alright. But it's not distracting President Trump. It's distracting almost everyone else from blocking and focusing on the Trump team's agenda, not the other way around.

But for President Trump, and a lot of conservatives with him, it gets better. The fact is that conservatives have tried to make allegations of widespread voter fraud a national front page story for about 20 years. They've demanded investigations into it. And they've had no real success. In fact, the counterclaim that there is no significant voter fraud has been taken so for granted that the case has rarely been made by Democratic Party politicians in public. It was basically a joke.

But now we have non-conservatives clamoring to talk about it all day and eager to see investigations launched to "prove" they're right. And that's a trap. First it's a trap because now almost any level of voter fraud that's discovered will elevate President Trump's claims from laughable to at least partially correct.

And he already has that as a done deal thanks to several confirmed reports of voter irregularities last year. Detroit alone saw 37 percent of its voting districts tabulate more votes than actual registered voters. And there are documented cases of ballots cast by "dead people" in Colorado, non-citizens voting in Virginia, and the list goes on.

Just like President Trump likes to claim big victories every time a CEO announces what may be a relatively small or even previously-planned investment in the U.S., the White House will be able to successfully trumpet any and every documented case of voter fraud that comes up. And when the President tweets about it or mentions it in a news conference, it will get a 1000 percent more coverage than any previous claims of voter fraud ever did over the years.

Of course, you can just hear the journalists and the Trump opponents shouting: "But, but, but... it's not millions of illegal votes!" Granted, it probably isn't. But in politics, it's important not to get too bogged down by the details. The political impact of the public learning about dozens of small instances of voter fraud will be the same as one report totaling the number in the millions. The Trump team has known this all along, and won the election with a more persuasive and emotional campaign than Hillary Clinton's message that leaned on the "fact" that she was more "qualified" for the job.

Speaking of impact, what does the left's and the news media's obsession with this illegal voting distraction do for the overall Trump agenda? Currently, it's providing crucial cover. Notice that Trump's controversial cabinet nominees, especially Secretary of State-Designate Rex Tillerson, seem to be sailing through the confirmation process. The left hasn't raised a full-throated effort against Tillerson or any Trump nominee. I say that's in part because Trump keeps lobbing distraction bombs all over the place that the left cannot resist.

Why can't the anti-Trump forces get focused? The top reason is that President Trump chooses to distract them with the kinds of issues laden with the most emotionally charged themes for the left. His discussion of Mexican illegal immigrants, Muslim tourists, and now illegal voters are filled with the kinds of racial and xenophobic overtones Democrats and liberals have been obsessed with for decades and long before the Trump candidacy.

The left cannot ignore anything with those kinds of racial/cultural triggers, in fact it believes it's its duty to point it out every time. Some of those instincts are indeed admirable. But they've also led to an obsession that can be easily abused by the left itself and exploited by its political enemies. That's exactly what the president is doing now.

There's a perception that Donald Trump is a thin-skinned and oversensitive man who clings to myths and grudges to his own peril. The opposite is true. The evidence is much clearer that the new president is willing to take any amount of ridicule and personal attacks in order to get what he wants in the end.

First it was winning the election, now it's getting his political agenda enacted. As long as his opposition remains obsessed with the outrageous and not-so-outrageous controversial things he says, President Trump will be able to slip a lot through while everyone is so focused on something else. If he were too concerned about his personal image, President Trump and candidate Trump before him wouldn't say about half of what he says. But sometimes when there's no shame in your game, that's the best way to win.

Commentary by Jake Novak, CNBC.com senior columnist. Follow him on Twitter @jakejakeny.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/trumps-opponents-fall-for-his-voter-fraud-distraction-commentary.html

 

[Leongsam]

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/...omatically-register-drivers-to-vote.html?_r=0

I have a California Driver's license. I got it in 1979 while I was there on assignment. I have kept it current.

I am not a US citizen. Does that mean I can vote?

 

[winnipegjets]

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/...omatically-register-drivers-to-vote.html?_r=0

I have a California Driver's license. I got it in 1979 while I was there on assignment. I have kept it current.

I am not a US citizen. Does that mean I can vote?

Don't you have to prove that you have residence rights before you they give you a licence?

 

[Leongsam]

Don't you have to prove that you have residence rights before you they give you a licence?

Nope. What happened is that in 1978 I arrived in SFO as an innocent young engineer and was told that I needed a driver license with a photo if I wanted a long term car rental. SG driver licenses were just a scrap of paper at the time.

My company suggested that I get a California license since I was going to be there for 2 years or more.

After a harrowing 2 weeks of driving on the wrong side of the road I managed to pass my test. Of course things were a lot easier in the good old days.

I never had a green card. All I had was my passport and a letter from the company saying that I was there on business and training.

 

[eatshitndie]

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/...omatically-register-drivers-to-vote.html?_r=0

I have a California Driver's license. I got it in 1979 while I was there on assignment. I have kept it current.

I am not a US citizen. Does that mean I can vote?

http://registertovote.ca.gov

to register online, you'll need a california driver's license or id, social security number, and date of birth. the driver's license or id will have an address where the right county will send you the ballot and address of voting station. they need an address to track your precinct in order to mail you the correct ballot, as various cities and counties have different local district officials and measures that require voting on. for example, san mateo has different local measures and a different congressional member from say san jose, thus ballots per district are different. as of last year, a new provision has been made whereby if you do not have a california driver's license or id, you can still use the online form to apply to register to vote by completing the online interview (just a questionaire) 15 days before the election. alternatively, you can walk to a voting station, present an id with an address on it, fill in and sign the register book at the station, ask for a provisional ballot, and vote. provisional ballots are placed in pink colored envelopes and counted after regular ballots are counted with races too close to call. some precincts count provisional ballots anyway, and that's why some counties report results late, weeks after the election. also with a new california law in effect last year (conveniently months before the election), mexicans with mexican consular id's can use these id's similar to cal driver's licenses and id's. anyone caught turning mexican id's away can be sued for discrimination. for ssn, anybody can get an ssn including students on foreign student visas and or illegals. for those not allowed to work "legally", the ssn card (piece of cheap blue paper) will say so. however, for voter registration whether online or via a hardcopy form, any type of ssn will be accepted. the sos voter registration office does not check employment status nor asks for birth certs, naturalization certs, or other documentary proof of citizenship. it's based on an honesty system, and if it asks "are you a u.s. citizen?" and "are you age 18 and above?", a liar or fraud can easily tick "yes", and there are no background checks nor proof is required.

 

[frenchbriefs]

Did not look like they were allowed to vote?What kind of racial profiling is this?

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

http://registertovote.ca.gov

to register online, you'll need a california driver's license or id, social security number, and date of birth. the driver's license or id will have an address where the right county will send you the ballot and address of voting station. they need an address to track your precinct in order to mail you the correct ballot, as various cities and counties have different local district officials and measures that require voting on. for example, san mateo has different local measures and a different congressional member from say san jose, thus ballots per district are different. as of last year, a new provision has been made whereby if you do not have a california driver's license or id, you can still use the online form to apply to register to vote by completing the online interview (just a questionaire) 15 days before the election. alternatively, you can walk to a voting station, present an id with an address on it, fill in and sign the register book at the station, ask for a provisional ballot, and vote. provisional ballots are placed in pink colored envelopes and counted after regular ballots are counted with races too close to call. some precincts count provisional ballots anyway, and that's why some counties report results late, weeks after the election. also with a new california law in effect last year (conveniently months before the election), mexicans with mexican consular id's can use these id's similar to cal driver's licenses and id's. anyone caught turning mexican id's away can be sued for discrimination. for ssn, anybody can get an ssn including students on foreign student visas and or illegals. for those not allowed to work "legally", the ssn card (piece of cheap blue paper) will say so. however, for voter registration whether online or via a hardcopy form, any type of ssn will be accepted. the sos voter registration office does not check employment status nor asks for birth certs, naturalization certs, or other documentary proof of citizenship. it's based on an honesty system, and if it asks "are you a u.s. citizen?" and "are you age 18 and above?", a liar or fraud can easily tick "yes", and there are no background checks nor proof is required.

California is too deep blue to be integrated with the rest of america. It should secede from the union.

 

[eatshitndie]

California is too deep blue to be integrated with the rest of america. It should secede from the union.

it's impossible to secede with a need for super majority of states to ractify even though the senate, representatives and president may approve it. constitutionally, someone is going to sue and the supreme court will deny any secession from taking place. the only way to secede is total war.

 

[winnipegjets]

The left is falling for Trump's voter fraud bait
Jake Novak | @jakejakeny
22 Hours Ago



What's the top political story right now? There are a lot of juicy ones to choose from, but a quick look at the key newspapers, news websites, and cable news stations tells us that issue #1 is suddenly President Trump's claim that millions of votes were cast illegally for his opponents in the 2016 presidential election. The conventional wisdom says this is a black eye for the White House and a distraction from his agenda. Once again when it comes to all things Trump, the conventional wisdom is wrong.

The "experts" did have it half right. This voter fraud claim is a distraction alright. But it's not distracting President Trump. It's distracting almost everyone else from blocking and focusing on the Trump team's agenda, not the other way around.

But for President Trump, and a lot of conservatives with him, it gets better. The fact is that conservatives have tried to make allegations of widespread voter fraud a national front page story for about 20 years. They've demanded investigations into it. And they've had no real success. In fact, the counterclaim that there is no significant voter fraud has been taken so for granted that the case has rarely been made by Democratic Party politicians in public. It was basically a joke.

But now we have non-conservatives clamoring to talk about it all day and eager to see investigations launched to "prove" they're right. And that's a trap. First it's a trap because now almost any level of voter fraud that's discovered will elevate President Trump's claims from laughable to at least partially correct.

And he already has that as a done deal thanks to several confirmed reports of voter irregularities last year. Detroit alone saw 37 percent of its voting districts tabulate more votes than actual registered voters. And there are documented cases of ballots cast by "dead people" in Colorado, non-citizens voting in Virginia, and the list goes on.

Just like President Trump likes to claim big victories every time a CEO announces what may be a relatively small or even previously-planned investment in the U.S., the White House will be able to successfully trumpet any and every documented case of voter fraud that comes up. And when the President tweets about it or mentions it in a news conference, it will get a 1000 percent more coverage than any previous claims of voter fraud ever did over the years.

Of course, you can just hear the journalists and the Trump opponents shouting: "But, but, but... it's not millions of illegal votes!" Granted, it probably isn't. But in politics, it's important not to get too bogged down by the details. The political impact of the public learning about dozens of small instances of voter fraud will be the same as one report totaling the number in the millions. The Trump team has known this all along, and won the election with a more persuasive and emotional campaign than Hillary Clinton's message that leaned on the "fact" that she was more "qualified" for the job.

Speaking of impact, what does the left's and the news media's obsession with this illegal voting distraction do for the overall Trump agenda? Currently, it's providing crucial cover. Notice that Trump's controversial cabinet nominees, especially Secretary of State-Designate Rex Tillerson, seem to be sailing through the confirmation process. The left hasn't raised a full-throated effort against Tillerson or any Trump nominee. I say that's in part because Trump keeps lobbing distraction bombs all over the place that the left cannot resist.

Why can't the anti-Trump forces get focused? The top reason is that President Trump chooses to distract them with the kinds of issues laden with the most emotionally charged themes for the left. His discussion of Mexican illegal immigrants, Muslim tourists, and now illegal voters are filled with the kinds of racial and xenophobic overtones Democrats and liberals have been obsessed with for decades and long before the Trump candidacy.

The left cannot ignore anything with those kinds of racial/cultural triggers, in fact it believes it's its duty to point it out every time. Some of those instincts are indeed admirable. But they've also led to an obsession that can be easily abused by the left itself and exploited by its political enemies. That's exactly what the president is doing now.

There's a perception that Donald Trump is a thin-skinned and oversensitive man who clings to myths and grudges to his own peril. The opposite is true. The evidence is much clearer that the new president is willing to take any amount of ridicule and personal attacks in order to get what he wants in the end.

First it was winning the election, now it's getting his political agenda enacted. As long as his opposition remains obsessed with the outrageous and not-so-outrageous controversial things he says, President Trump will be able to slip a lot through while everyone is so focused on something else. If he were too concerned about his personal image, President Trump and candidate Trump before him wouldn't say about half of what he says. But sometimes when there's no shame in your game, that's the best way to win.

Commentary by Jake Novak, CNBC.com senior columnist. Follow him on Twitter @jakejakeny.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/trumps-opponents-fall-for-his-voter-fraud-distraction-commentary.html

Jake Novak is a supporter of Trump, in case you are not aware of that. Read all his previous columns to find out

 

[winnipegjets]

it's impossible to secede with a need for super majority of states to ractify even though the senate, representatives and president may approve it. constitutionally, someone is going to sue and the supreme court will deny any secession from taking place. the only way to secede is total war.

Californians must then behave like the Texans - fight to secede.

 

[Leongsam]

Jake Novak is a supporter of Trump, in case you are not aware of that. Read all his previous columns to find out

So when the writer is a Trump supporter everything he writes is just propaganda but a so called "journalist" from the Hillary camp is credible and reliable and everything in the article is the gospel truth?