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The horrible truth starts to dawn on Europe's leaders

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The horrible truth starts to dawn on Europe's leaders
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Last updated: November 16th, 2010

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The entire European Project is now at risk of disintegration, with strategic and economic consequences that are very hard to predict.

In a speech this morning, EU President Herman Van Rompuy (poet, and writer of Japanese and Latin verse) warned that if Europe’s leaders mishandle the current crisis and allow the eurozone to break up, they will destroy European Union itself.

“We’re in a survival crisis. We all have to work together in order to survive with the euro zone, because if we don’t survive with the euro zone we will not survive with the European Union,” he said.

Well, well. This theme is all too familiar to readers of The Daily Telegraph, but it comes as something of a shock to hear such a confession after all these years from Europe’s president.

He is admitting that the gamble of launching a premature and dysfunctional currency without a central treasury, or debt union, or economic government, to back it up – and before the economies, legal systems, wage bargaining practices, productivity growth, and interest rate sensitivity, of North and South Europe had come anywhere near sustainable convergence – may now backfire horribly.

Jacques Delors and fellow fathers of EMU were told by Commission economists in the early 1990s that this reckless adventure could not work as constructed, and would lead to a traumatic crisis. They shrugged off the warnings.

They were told too that currency unions do not eliminate risk: they merely switch it from currency risk to default risk. For that reason it was all the more important to have a workable mechanism for sovereign defaults and bondholder haircuts in place from the beginning, with clear rules that to establish the proper pricing of that risk.

But no, the EU masters would hear none of it. There could be no defaults, and no preparations were made or even permitted for such an entirely predictable outcome. Political faith alone was enough. Investors who should have known better walked straight into the trap, buying Greek, Portuguese, and Irish debt at 25-35 basis points over Bunds. At the top of boom funds were buying Spanish bonds at a spread of 4 basis points. Now we are seeing what happens when you build such moral hazard into the system, and shut down the warning thermostat.

Mr Delors told colleagues that any crisis would be a “beneficial crisis”, allowing the EU to break down resistance to fiscal federalism, and to accumulate fresh power. The purpose of EMU was political, not economic, so the objections of economists could happily be disregarded. Once the currency was in existence, EU states would have give up national sovereignty to make it work over time. It would lead ineluctably to the Monnet dream of a fully-fledged EU state. Bring the crisis on.

Behind this gamble, of course, was the assumption that any crisis could be contained at a tolerable cost once the imbalances of EMU’s one-size-fits-none monetary system had already reached catastrophic levels, and once the credit bubbles of Club Med and Ireland had collapsed. It assumed too that Germany, The Netherlands, and Finland would ultimately – under much protest – agree to foot the bill for a ‘Transferunion’.

We may soon find out whether either assumption is correct. Far from binding Europe together, monetary union is leading to acrimony and mutual recriminations. We had the first eruption earlier this year when Greece’s deputy premier accused the Germans of stealing Greek gold from the vaults of the central bank and killing 300,000 people during the Nazi occupation.

Greece is now under an EU protectorate, or the “Memorandum” as they call it. This has prompted pin-prick terrorist attacks against anybody associated with EU rule. Ireland and Portugal are further behind on this road to serfdom, but they are already facing policy dictates from Brussels, but will soon be under formal protectorates as well in any case. Spain has more or less been forced to cut public wages by 5pc to comply with EU demands made in May.

All are having to knuckle down to Europe’s agenda of austerity, without the offsetting relief of devaluation and looser monetary policy.
 
Greek rescue frays amid Irish crisis
8:44PM GMT 16 Nov 2010

[B]Greece's eurozone bail-out starts to unravel as Austria suspends aid contributions over failure to comply with rescue terms.
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The eurozone bail-out for Greece has begun to unravel after Austria suspended aid contributions over failure to comply with the rescue terms, and Germany warned Athens that its patience was running out.

The clash caught markets off-guard and heightened fears that Europe's debt crisis may be escalating, with deep confusion over the Irish crisis as Dublin continues to resist EU pressure to request its own rescue.
Olli Rehn, the EU economics commissioner, said escalating rhetoric in Europe was turning dangerous. "I want to call on every responsible European to resist the centrifugal tendencies and existential alarmism."

Swirling rumours hit eurozone bond markets, while bourses tumbled across the world. The FTSE 100 fell 2.4pc to 5681.9, and the Dow dropped over 200 points in early trading. The euro slid two cents to $1.3460 against the dollar as the US currency regained its safe-haven status.
 
Austria tells Greece to get stuffed

Europe’s hastily assembled bailout fund already seems to be coming apart at the seams, and that’s before Ireland has even tapped into it.

Austria is refusing to contribute to the next tranche of bailout money for Greece, citing the country’s failure to meet conditions. Yesterday it emerged there is serious slippage in Greece’s deficit reduction programme.

The way things are going, the facility will fail even before its wider fault lines have been fully exposed. Europe is making things up as it goes along, and a pretty desperate job it is making of it too.

The extraordinary thing to outsiders trying to analyse these events is just how poorly prepared Europe was to cope with sovereign debt crises within its midst. Indeed the no bailout clause contained in the Maastricht Treaty seemed to deny the possibility of there ever being one.

Europe had wholly failed to plan for a hurricane of this sort – bizarre when you consider how meticulous the Germans are in their economic disciplines.

As a result, the euro is left scrambling around looking for a plan. The European Financial Stability Facility plainly isn’t it, for this only seems to condemn the surplus nations to repeatedly having to bailout the deficit economies. Eventually, that’s going to be politically unacceptable. Perhaps it already is judging by Austria’s actions. And even if it were acceptable, it doesn’t work. For decades, Northern Italy has been bailing out the south with massive transfers of money. It’s done no good what so ever, with the gap between the rich north and poor south still as wide as ever. Fiscal transfers ultimately only succeed in entrenching the dependency culture.

Attempts by Germany to put in place a “resolution regime” which would allow debt restructuring for fiscally distressed nations, forcing bondholders to share in the costs, has only succeeded in making a bad situation worse. European finance ministers believed they were bring “clarity” to this intention by stating that these haircuts would only apply to debt issued after 2013, but actually this brings no relief whatsoever.

Is Europe really saying it plans to honour the entire stock of existing national debt in these distressed nations, which is what the statement implies? Me thinks not, for to do so would call into question the creditworthiness even of the mighty Germany.
 
With the implosion of Euro and the supposed united economy what is left is US and China. We are beginning to see small openings in using Yuan as international currency. Lets look at the ingredients:

1)Euro is going kaput

2)Uncle Ben is printing $ like crazy QE2 who knows with the budget impass and wars maybe QE3 and QE4

3) Standard Chartered says that China GDP will surpass US in 10 years (2010) and be doubled that of US in 20 years. That is what they are saying. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...0-in-super-cycle-standard-chartered-says.html

4) Moody’s Investors Service in Nov 2010 increased China’s debt rating to Aa3 from A1 with a positive outlook. Moody’s cited China’s financial strength and ability to contain losses from a credit boom.

Interesting times ahead.





HSBC Holdings Plc and Standard Chartered Plc, the biggest foreign underwriters of yuan bonds sold in Hong Kong, say they have never been busier even as China seeks to curb inflows of capital to limit appreciation.

Justin Chan, HSBC’s deputy head of global markets in Asia Pacific, said the bank has organized 10 conferences outside China to promote use of the currency in world commerce and has “a very strong pipeline” of companies seeking to sell so- called dim sum bonds, yuan-denominated debt issued in the city. Sundeep Bhandari, Standard Chartered’s head of global markets in Northeast Asia, said the bank has done 25 similar events in 2010 and is advising a fund that plans to focus solely on the debt.

While Chinese regulators joined counterparts from Brazil to Thailand last week in tightening limits on inflows of funds, central bank Governor Zhou Xiaochuan said yesterday China will push ahead with exchange-rate reforms in the yuan. Issuers are paying 40 percent less to borrow in the currency in Hong Kong than they pay in Shanghai because of demand from overseas investors betting on exchange-rate appreciation.

“China still wants to develop the onshore market by opening it up in a controlled manner,” Chan at HSBC, Europe’s biggest lender, said in a Nov. 12 interview in Hong Kong. Last week’s measures, which included tighter rules on repatriating capital and borrowing overseas, were precautions “to prevent further hot-money flows into China,” he said.

Lifting Demand

The yuan may rise 6.2 percent to 6.26 per dollar by the end of next year, the most among the so-called BRIC nations that also include Brazil, Russia and India, according to a Bloomberg survey of 17 analysts. The median estimate is for a 1.3 percent gain in the Brazilian real, a 4.2 percent advance in the Indian rupee and a 5 percent climb in the Russian ruble.

HSBC’s Chan said he expects the currency to appreciate 3 percent to 5 percent annually in the next one or two years. He said the yuan may become one of the three major global currencies, with the dollar and the euro, in 20 to 30 years.
The yuan declined 0.16 percent to 6.6488 per dollar as of 1:25 p.m. in Shanghai. The offshore rate in Hong Kong of 6.6075 was 0.6 percent stronger than the onshore. The yuan’s non- deliverable forwards reflect bets the currency will advance 2.4 percent in the coming 12 months.

China is allowing greater use of its currency in global trade and investment to reduce reliance on the U.S. dollar, after Premier Wen Jiabao said in March he is “worried” about holdings of assets denominated in the greenback. Purchases of U.S. currency to contain yuan appreciation swelled the nation’s foreign-exchange reserves to $2.65 trillion in September.

Trade Settlement

The value of international trade transactions settled in the Chinese currency jumped 160 percent from the three months through June to 126.5 billion yuan ($19 billion) in the third quarter, the People’s Bank of China reported on Nov. 2. Yuan deposits at Hong Kong banks more than doubled to a record 149 billion yuan in the six months ended Sept. 30, Hong Kong Monetary Authority data show.

“Our clients want to know about the yuan,” Standard Chartered’s Bhandari said in a Nov. 12 interview in Hong Kong. “I will fly back from London at 5 p.m. on Wednesday and get a Thursday morning flight to Tokyo."

Bhandari declined to give details about the planned fund focused on yuan debt or name its manager. The dim sum bond market has grown 42 percent to 50 billion yuan since July 19, Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc. said in a report on Nov. 15.

HSBC said it underwrote 11 issues of yuan-denominated debt instruments this year in Hong Kong, including dim sum bonds and certificates of deposit. Standard Chartered said it has been an underwriter on sales of totalling 8.4 billion yuan in 2010.

Planned Sales

Export-Import Bank of China plans to sell as much as 5 billion yuan of bonds in Hong Kong next month. International Finance Corp., the World Bank’s private investment arm, aims to sell about 100 million yuan of five-year bonds in Hong Kong, according to Treasurer Nina Shapiro.

‘‘We like buying offshore renminbi bonds because the regulations are not as tedious,’’ said Chia Tse Chern, director at UOB Asset Management, which oversees the equivalent of $10.6 billion and is a unit of Singapore’s second-largest bank. ‘‘They want to develop the renminbi bond market and possibly don’t want more capital flows into the mainland. So they are allowing the market to be developed out of Hong Kong.”

Attractive Returns

Yuan appreciation plus interest-rate payments can translate into annual returns of as much as 7 percent, he said.

The average yield of yuan bonds in the city, including those sold by state-controlled lenders including China Development Bank and Bank of China Ltd., is 1.77 percent, according to data from the Treasury Markets Association, which tracks 23 outstanding issues that have maturities of no more than four years. The average rate in China for one- to three- year bonds issued by government-linked companies is 2.99 percent, according to Bank of America Merrill Lynch’s China Quasi-Government Index.

The yield on China’s 3.28 percent government bond due in August 2020 was little changed at 3.74 percent, according to the National Interbank Funding Center. The extra yield investors demand to hold China’s 10-year bonds rather than similar- maturity U.S. government debt has widened 63 basis points since June 30 to 101, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Bond Risk

The perceived risk of investing in Chinese debt has fallen this year. Five-year credit-default swap contracts on government bonds rose two basis points to 63 basis points yesterday, CMA prices in New York show. They have declined 11 basis points this year. The contracts pay the buyer face value in exchange for the underlying securities or the cash equivalent should a government or company fail to adhere to debt agreements.

HSBC’s Chan said China won’t slow the opening up of its financial market because it wants to make the yuan an international currency. The central bank allowed overseas financial institutions on Aug. 17 to invest yuan funds in the nation’s bond market. The Hong Kong units of HSBC and Standard Chartered won the approval last month.
China had approved qualified foreign institutional investors to buy $18.97 billion of assets in China by Sept. 30, up from $16.67 billion of quotas at the end of last year, according to a statement on SAFE’s website on Nov. 10. The authorities granted the Hong Kong Monetary Authority a QFII license in October.

Charles Li, the chief executive officer of Hong Kong Exchanges & Clearing Ltd., has proposed allowing Chinese companies to sell yuan-priced stock in Hong Kong, where investors are free from the quotas imposed by Beijing on foreign ownership of mainland equities.

“If you want big demand for yuan offshore, you need to create channels for offshore yuan funds to be invested,” said Chan. “This will by and large help open the door for capital- account movement.”
--Judy Chen. With assistance from Patricia Lui and Lilian Karunungan in Singapore and Shelley Smith in Hong Kong. Editors: Patrick Chu, Sandy Hendry

To contact Bloomberg News staff for this story: Judy Chen in Shanghai at +86-21-6104-7047 or [email protected].

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Sandy Hendry at [email protected].
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The maths of reserve currency accumulation
(1)Foreigners having RMB account
(2)Full convertibility
(3)Communist party has no control over the setting up and trading of its currency,with more limited government intervention
(4)The world needs a way to accumulate RMB if it is to be a major trading or reserve currency.
This can be done in two ways
(a) China running a current account dficit.
(b)Foreign capital inflow into China must be matched by capital outflows fr China,this allows foreigners to hold RMB bonds and other assets

ADB has Suggested that by 2035,25 years from now,RMB will comprise 3 to 12% of international reservs,I think this time table is reasonable.
The Future Global Reserve System - an Asian Perspective
This e-report is part of ADB's Research
aric.adb.org/grs/

Another point
3) Standard Chartered says that China GDP will surpass US in 10 years (2010) and be doubled that of US in 20 years. That is what they are saying. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...ered-says.html

Well,currently USA hs GDP of 14 trillions whilst China is 5 trillions
GDP in 2101 will deoopemds pon
(1)Annual growth rate of both
(2)Movement of RMB against USD
 
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I agree that the Math behind when China will have a larger economy is off by +/- 5 years. SCB says 2020 but it could be 2025. Fact is they will be there in the blink of an eye.

Just got back from business trip to Shanghai/Beijing. In my opinion, these guys have all the ingredients with an excellent infrastructure, huge funding in their educational system, strong mfg base, lots of savings both personal and gov. They are on verge of a quantum leap. But that is my biased opinion.

Your bloomberg link in dead! your "math for reserve currency accumulation is correct.

Read the ADB report. But much of it depends on Beijing's policy and how much their are willing to "open" up their currency. They stated 3 to 12% but that is with uncertainty over what Beijing will do.

Beijing is already starting that off in HK, selling Yuan bonds - what the article was about. In the article it states Beijings intends to make Yuan an international currency!

However in the current env, currency control is actually helping stop the hot money flow. Everyone wants to hold Yuan because it is undervalued. Most of the BRICs are intervening in the currency markets as per US$. That is why Obama's Chinese currency manipulation message was lost in Seoul with the Germans, South Koreans and BRI nations whacking US back hard on its QE2 - another form of currency manipulation.

I guess the linch pin is currency controls. Should Beijing lift currency controls, the likelyhood of Yuan become one of the reserve currency is high. Fact is they are already experimenting with it in HK.

Currently their only method of pegging Yuan /US$ is buying US treasuries since Yuan is controlled. But imagine if they can print $ just like US to weaken their currency? There is an advantage to being a reserve currency.

Lets say there is a 40% differential bet Yuan and US$. With a 3% to 5% increase Yuan would be fully valued as per US$ in 8 to 10 years. They cannot lift currency controls overnight because it would kill their economy. But once their reach parity the benefits of reserve currency status (being able to print a lot of money without inflation) outweights keeping Yuan low.



The maths of reserve currency accumulation
(1)Foreigners having RMB account
(2)Full convertibility
(3)Communist party has no control over the setting up and trading of its currency,with more limited government intervention
(4)The world needs a way to accumulate RMB if it is to be a major trading or reserve currency.
This can be done in two ways
(a) China running a current account dficit.
(b)Foreign capital inflow into China must be matched by capital outflows fr China,this allows foreigners to hold RMB bonds and other assets

ADB has Suggested that by 2035,25 years from now,RMB will comprise 3 to 12% of international reservs,I think this time table is reasonable.
The Future Global Reserve System - an Asian Perspective
This e-report is part of ADB's Research
aric.adb.org/grs/

Another point
3) Standard Chartered says that China GDP will surpass US in 10 years (2010) and be doubled that of US in 20 years. That is what they are saying. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...ered-says.html

Well,currently USA hs GDP of 14 trillions whilst China is 5 trillions
GDP in 2101 will deoopemds pon
(1)Annual growth rate of both
(2)Movement of RMB against USD
 
Me too, got back biz trip exactly Beijing/Shanghai.(August 2010)

Obviously what u saw is not what I saw.

Diversity is strength!
 
Me too, got back biz trip exactly Beijing/Shanghai.(August 2010)

Obviously what u saw is not what I saw.

Diversity is strength!

People, and these financial analysts , experts who come on TV and give their views, are just text book based "experts" . Just that.

One can laugh at them when they say things like China Yuan will become a reserve currency when it overtake USA in GDP.

The truth of the matter is China is dead scared of even floating its urrency for fear that its currency ( and its economy ) will be hurt badly if left in the hands of market forces. That confidence is not there for China to float its currency, as it will expose its inherent internal weakness and distortions in its economy and bring it to heel.

That brings to what I have said all along. You cannot claim economic strength based on mere GDP figures. That would be a mistake. China is simply not an open economy and it has almost zero soft infrastructure like what the Western economies have.

And soft infrastructure is the real backbone of a nation's economy and which gives it the strength and power..

When we point this out to some people, they do not like to hear that, they skirt or avoid the issue and repeat the same text book statements.

Ignorance is bliss. !
 
He is admitting that the gamble of launching a premature and dysfunctional currency without a central treasury, or debt union, or economic government, to back it up – and before the economies, legal systems, wage bargaining practices, productivity growth, and interest rate sensitivity, of North and South Europe had come anywhere near sustainable convergence – may now backfire horribly.

Isn't that the model called "globalisation"? Let people from lower costs of living go to places with higher costs of living to earn high real wage while fucking up the real and nominal wage of people in higher costs economies. Euro is just a small replica of the larger GLOBALISATION shit which has no co-ordination and costs comparisons, screwing up everyone's life.

FUCK FT POLICY.
 
people, and these financial analysts , experts who come on tv and give their views, are just text book based "experts" . Just that.

One can laugh at them when they say things like china yuan will become a reserve currency when it overtake usa in gdp.

The truth of the matter is china is dead scared of even floating its urrency for fear that its currency ( and its economy ) will be hurt badly if left in the hands of market forces. That confidence is not there for china to float its currency, as it will expose its inherent internal weakness and distortions in its economy and bring it to heel.

That brings to what i have said all along. You cannot claim economic strength based on mere gdp figures. That would be a mistake. China is simply not an open economy and it has almost zero soft infrastructure like what the western economies have.

And soft infrastructure is the real backbone of a nation's economy and which gives it the strength and power..

When we point this out to some people, they do not like to hear that, they skirt or avoid the issue and repeat the same text book statements.

ignorance is bliss. !

what are examples of soft infrastructure?
 
Not only EU will break up. Like Canada's Quebec was separating apart from Canadian federation, the USA is also in a matter of time when the shit get deeper there. It won't take too long.

;)
 
Europe got plenty of soft infrastructure..

Yeah, it does. And it walk the talk by putting its currency on the
line by floating the euro, over 10 years ago.
( But that does not mean the market will be merciful and benign. In fact
these merciless markets are good. They force self corrections when weakness looms.)

Which China could not do and will not do. i.e: Float its currency.
However it is very eager to seek and take advantage of the
open markets of the West.
 
People, and these financial analysts , experts who come on TV and give their views, are just text book based "experts" . Just that.

One can laugh at them when they say things like China Yuan will become a reserve currency when it overtake USA in GDP.

The truth of the matter is China is dead scared of even floating its urrency for fear that its currency ( and its economy ) will be hurt badly if left in the hands of market forces. That confidence is not there for China to float its currency, as it will expose its inherent internal weakness and distortions in its economy and bring it to heel.

That brings to what I have said all along. You cannot claim economic strength based on mere GDP figures. That would be a mistake. China is simply not an open economy and it has almost zero soft infrastructure like what the Western economies have.

And soft infrastructure is the real backbone of a nation's economy and which gives it the strength and power..

When we point this out to some people, they do not like to hear that, they skirt or avoid the issue and repeat the same text book statements.

Ignorance is bliss. !
GoFlyKite Now

My view is that the internet has opened up China as old fox Rupert Murdoch. once famously claimed.

China wants to be a global power,China wants RMB to be reserve currency ASAP, and Communist China has many talented economists,fr Harvard,Yale,Chicago school,LSE,etc,so many.

They know that their bosses will be in great trouble if the party fails to resolve unemployment problem.With GINI reaching 0.5,a revolution is due.

Both the leaders are due to retire in 2012,what would they do,leave it to the next generation!

Don't you think?

Thank you.
 
Yeah, it does. And it walk the talk by putting its currency on the
line by floating the euro, over 10 years ago.
( But that does not mean the market will be merciful and benign. In fact
these merciless markets are good. They force self corrections when weakness looms.)

Which China could not do and will not do. i.e: Float its currency.
However it is very eager to seek and take advantage of the
open markets of the West.

Where have you been all this while?
USA has been telling the whole world that:
floating USD = self-correcting, is total hogwash.. :D
 
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