The CPF Dialogue – The people taking the initiative

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Roy Ngerng and his concerned Singaporean friends held a protest at Hong Lim Park to demand for more transparency and accountability on the people’s savings in the CPF. Other than demanding the return of the CPF savings, they also demanded for better interest rate, how the CPF savings are being invested, abolishing minimum sums, and a list of other things.

This is the first time the people are initiating the conversation, a public conversation on a very important issue affecting every Singaporean. Would the Govt make an effort to respond to the issues and demands raised by the speakers at Hong Lim? Or would this be another monologue, the people talking to themselves just like the Natcon initiated by the Govt, talking only to the convert? In the Natcon it was like the Govt telling the people these would the things they would do to the CPF. The people mumbled and grumbled and that was it. Last Saturday was like the people rising up to tell the Govt what they wanted, what they agreed and disagreed. It is so funny that we have two national conversations but there were no meeting of minds, like two people talking talking but not wanting to talk to each other.

Did the Govt invite critical views like those from the opposition parties or Govt critics to join in the Natcon? Did Roy Ngerng and Hui Hui invite the Govt to Hong Lim Park to speak as well? Apparently up till last Saturday, both sides are keeping each other at a distance or at arm’s length. There was supposed to be a press conference at the end of the rally. When the media were invited to speak, none spoke as if the media were not even there to cover the event. Were the local media present? The foreign media were there.

Hri Kumar is holding a public dialogue with residents of Thomson and Toa Payoh next Saturday to talk about the CPF. Hri Kumar called his public dialogue ‘CPF, An honest conversation’ and invited his residents to register their attendance.

Kenneth Jeyaretnam, Roy Ngerng and Ariffin Sha were reported to have registered for the public dialogue. It would be an interesting dialogue when the two camps met to have a serious and in dept discussion on this very important matter. I think many people from other constituencies would also like to attend. Maybe I should also register my attendance to get enlightened by the two very informed parties on the CPF issues. This initiative by Kenneth and Roy, to make an effort to talk to the other camp, could address a lot of issues and misconceptions about the CPF. It would definitely benefit all Singaporeans.

The avoidance to meet and discuss cannot go on while keeping on a wayang of talking and listening. A healthy exchange in a constructive manner would be a good start to a real dialogue. Now many have doubts whether such a dialogue would be possible, would really take place. Would Hri Kumar welcome Kenneth, Roy and his friends to this dialogue? Or would they be ruled out of order, not qualified to attend?

Comments: http://mysingaporenews.blogspot.sg/2014/06/the-cpf-dialogue-people-taking.html
 
this article proves democracy in singapore is such a joke.keeping each other at arms length,not inviting this and that.....have u seen australian and uk parliament,the parties slug it out and wrestle each other in parliament like machiam its WWE smackdown.....fighting and clawing over issues and debates....here we only have wayang shows inviting respective worshippers like machiam its CHC concert.hoping to send the "right" message to the "faithful".
 
Yes,the PAP will dialogue strictly only with students.All others will be banned.
 
It is so funny that we have two national conversations but there were no meeting of minds, like two people talking talking but not wanting to talk to each other.

=> It is not funny at all. SGs should make clear to the FAP Traitors who the boss is. And when the boss speaks, the other listens!
 
We do not need stupid dialogue. The issues are very crystal clear. What really is needed is a national referendum.
In fact, the issue can be summarized into one: Should the govt honor the original promise to return the CPF plus all interest at age 55.

If yes, then minimum sum automatically becomes optional. Hence, the govt will have to entice those who wish to retain the minimum sum by increasing the interest until they're convinced it is worthwhile. Then the draw-down age and CPF Life become optional too automatically!
 
this article proves democracy in singapore is such a joke.keeping each other at arms length,not inviting this and that.....have u seen australian and uk parliament,the parties slug it out and wrestle each other in parliament like machiam its WWE smackdown.....fighting and clawing over issues and debates....here we only have wayang shows inviting respective worshippers like machiam its CHC concert.hoping to send the "right" message to the "faithful".
The people are responsible for such form of democracy. By giving them 60% mandate, the people have given them a clear ok that such form of democracy is acceptable.
 
We do not need stupid dialogue. The issues are very crystal clear. What really is needed is a national referendum.
In fact, the issue can be summarized into one: Should the govt honor the original promise to return the CPF plus all interest at age 55.

If yes, then minimum sum automatically becomes optional. Hence, the govt will have to entice those who wish to retain the minimum sum by increasing the interest until they're convinced it is worthwhile. Then the draw-down age and CPF Life become optional too automatically!

WE DO NOT NEED THAT STUPID SHIT ABOUT HONOR FROM BASTARDS WITH NO HONOR AND LIED TO US EACH TIME AND EVERY TIME

NECKLACE THE PAPs AND ALL THEIR COLLABORATORS WITH BURNING CAR TYRES OR BIKE TYRES IF CAR TYRES NOT ENOUGH
DANGLE THEM FROM LAMP POSTS TO DANCE AWAY USING PIANO WIRE OR ANYTHING ELSE IF PIANO WIRE SHORTAGE

BUT FIRST DRAG LKY FROM HIS DEATH BED EVEN IF HE KICK AND SCREAM. DRAG THAT BASTARD FROM THE FUNERAL HOME IF HE DECIDE TO DIE AND HANG HIM FROM LAMP POST TO DANGLE THERE EVEN IF HE CANNOT DANCE



IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE FUCKING PAPs ARE SCREWING AND SUEING THE SINGAPOREANS
AND NOT JUST ROY

PAPs ARE ATTACKING SINGAPOREANS BY THIS ATTACK ON ROY
PAPs ARE FIXING THEIR PIANO WIRES AROUND THE NECKS OF SINGAPOREANS
PAPs ARE FIXING THE NECKLACE OF BURNING CAR TYRES ON THE NECKS OF SINGAPOREANS
WILL SINGAPOREANS REMAIN HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH FOR PAPs TO FUCK
AND TO TIEW AND TO TIE PIANO WIRES?
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH


Hang those PAP maggots cockroaches with piano wires from lamp posts to make them dance before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
BBQ those PAP maggots cockroaches before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Cut a few more arseholes into those PAP maggots cockroaches to let out their shit before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.
Make those PAP maggots cockroaches eat joss sticks and candle wax before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.



GET RID OF THE POISON IN SINGAPORE
HANG ALL THOSE FUCKING PAPs AND THEIR COLLABORATORS
BBQ THE BASTARD PAPs

AND SINGAPORE CAN BE AS GOOD IF NOT BETTER THAN SWITZERLAND

OR REMAIN HEAD DOWN DOWN AND ARSEHOLES UP HIGH HIGH TO BE FUCKED TO BE TIEWED TO BE KANNED BY THE PAP MAGGOTS COCKROACHES

Kill them all PAPs
Let GOD sort out the good from the really bad ones
The good PAPs can then eat joss sticks and candle wax from time to time
The bad PAPs like smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY will be raped and tiewed and kanned by legions of ghouls and demons and not ever
get time off to eat joss sticks and candle wax

Hang those PAP maggots cockroaches with piano wires from lamp posts to make them dance before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

BBQ those PAP maggots cockroaches before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

Cut a few more arseholes into those PAP maggots cockroaches to let out their shit before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.

Make those PAP maggots cockroaches eat joss sticks and candle wax before it is too late and we have no more CPF to get back.


None of those in PAP work for anyone but that smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY, to help him hold down Singaporeans to screw and fuck hundreds of BILLIONs from us all into smear of shit on sole of shoe LKY stinkapore sovereign funds.

They are there in PAP because LKY know that they are a bunch of self serving greedy bastards and scrapings of scums of society. To call them maggots cockroaches will be to insult real maggots and real cockroaches.
LKY will never allow good decent people into the PAP and good decent people will not want to get into the PAP.
Maggots and cockroaches are appointed as ministers in parliament
Kangaroos are frolicking in High Court instead of being allowed to wander and roam about in the Zoo

And lowest scums of society known for their vicious self interest driven greed are preaching to sinkies on morality and elitism.
Those in PAP are the most corrupt and moral degenerates and moral bankrupts and moral filths that are being presented to stinkaporeans as moral compasses.
Despite the leeching and fucking of singaporeans by the cheebye PAP and LKY, Singapore still managed to survive to date.
Despite their being hung as a fucking millstones around the necks of Singaporeans and the idiocy and corrupt manipulations of PAP and LKY, Singapore still not dead yet.

WE ALL ARE NOW WAITING FOR THE DEATH OF LKY IN COMING DAYS OR WEEKS.
WE ALL WILL YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AND YUM SENG AGAIN AND AGAIN DANCING SINGING ON TABLE TOPS AND STREETS

WE THEN WILL SEE THOSE IN PAP WITH SHARPENED KNIVES HOOTING ARSEHLOON A DOZEN NEW ARSEHOLES AND THE DEATH OF THE ENTIRE LEE KWA CLAN

WE THEN WILL PICK UP PIANO WIRES AND HANG ALL THOSE REMAINING PAP AND THEIR COLLABORATORS FROM LAMP POSTS AND SEE THOSE BASTARDS AND BITCHES DANCE.
AND HAPPINESS WILL RETURN TO OUR LAND.

AND STINKAPORE WILL BECOME SINGAPORE ONCE MORE.

https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en
 
It is so funny that we have two national conversations but there were no meeting of minds, like two people talking talking but not wanting to talk to each other.

There is no meeting of minds because the PAP minds are top notch while the opposition minds are wanting.
 
It is so funny that we have two national conversations but there were no meeting of minds, like two people talking talking but not wanting to talk to each other.

=> It is not funny at all. SGs should make clear to the FAP Traitors who the boss is. And when the boss speaks, the other listens!

One want the truth. The other want to hide the truth.

How to talk to each other? LoL
 
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