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drifter

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the rising and setting of the sun was once attributed t helios and a flaming chariot . earthquakes and tidal waves were the wrath of poseidon. if religions countinued to promote pious myth as absolute fact , scientific progress would halt, and mankind would be doomed to an agnorant future of senseless holy wars, much lke what we see today. holy wars were still making headlines " my god is better then your god " . luckly, science has now proven those gods to be false idols. soon all god will be proven to be false idols . science has provided answers to almost every question , man can ask . they are only a few questions left ,and they are the esoteric ones , what are we doing here ? what is the meaning of life ?which man has been askng since the begining of time .
religions has stood by while science picked away at religion bit by bit , debunking so-called miracles . modern miracles belongs to science ....computers , ipad , iphone ,vaccines,space station, genetic manipulation....even the divine miracles of creation . matter from nothing ...in a lab . these are the science we tell our children . these are the miracles we herald as proof that science will bring us the answers. headlines in newspaper carried science's miracles everyday . who need god ? science is god ! faith does not protect you , intelligence protect you . how long has it been since someone walk on water ? " god " is a haullcuination , a delusion cruth for those who are weak . those ancient stories and fairy tales of immaculate conception , walking on water , talkng snake , staying inside a fish stomach alive for 3days , virgin birth and parting seas are no longer relevant in today world . god has become absolete . science has won the battle ! science has won by providing answers.

ask yourself ,why half the school in eroupean countries are not allowed to teach evolution . ask yourself why the US christains coaltion is the most influential lobby against scientific progress in the world , for example " cloning " . the battle between science and religions is still raging . science have left religions with little room to debate . if cloning human have been successful , religions have use " moral " as an excuse to stop scientific research for cloning .
 

drifter

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christianity is just some kind of repackage " sun worship " ! december 25th is not even jesus birthday . it is the ancient pagan holiday of sol invictus -uncouquered sun-coinding with the winter solstice. its the time of the year when the sun returns , and the day start getting longer .conquered religions , often adopt existing holiday to make conversion less shocking . its called transmutation . it helps people acclimatize to the new faith . christianity did not only borrow only from the "sun worship " , the ritual of christainity is taken from the " god making " rite of euhemerus . the practice of " god eating " that is , holy communtion was borrow from the aztecs . even the concept of christ dying for you sins is arguably not exclusively christian. the self-sacrifice of a young man to absolve the sins of his people appears in the earliest tradition of the quetzalcoat . very little in any organizes faith is truly original . every religion have heaven as a reward and hell as punishment . religion are not born from scratch . they grow from one another ...so drop your religion now !!!!!!
 

da dick

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boring rant. not going to work anyway. even without religion and "moral" restrictions, funding for scientific research will still be hard to come by since people with all the money(or trustees of the money) always expect magical and fast(i'm talking like 5 year contracts and such) results from any kind of research. scientific breakthru always cames in leaps and bound. totally unexpected. most people seem to have a big problem understanding that.
 

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christianity is just some kind of repackage " sun worship " ! december 25th is not even jesus birthday . it is the ancient pagan holiday of sol invictus -uncouquered sun-coinding with the winter solstice. its the time of the year when the sun returns , and the day start getting longer .conquered religions , often adopt existing holiday to make conversion less shocking . its called transmutation . it helps people acclimatize to the new faith . christianity did not only borrow only from the "sun worship " , the ritual of christainity is taken from the " god making " rite of euhemerus . the practice of " god eating " that is , holy communtion was borrow from the aztecs . even the concept of christ dying for you sins is arguably not exclusively christian. the self-sacrifice of a young man to absolve the sins of his people appears in the earliest tradition of the quetzalcoat . very little in any organizes faith is truly original . every religion have heaven as a reward and hell as punishment . religion are not born from scratch . they grow from one another ...so drop your religion now !!!!!!


u are absolutely right but there are still many silly people who dont read and analyze and question....
 

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as much as i have compared, i find that science & geography have served to further amplify & justify the events that took place.
 

drifter

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as much as i have compared, i find that science & geography have served to further amplify & justify the events that took place.

yes....science and geography have justify everything ....:wink:





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drifter

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Tunmasek

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Yes its blind faith. A god may exist (the creator of this universe), but religion itself is created to by the illuminati. For those who don't understand about the illuminati, they are the freemasons controlling the Earth. A video on religion by David Icke who does very detailed research can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FyWLeoSjXM
 

tanwahtiu

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this is what we call blind faith ....:biggrin:

Drifter,

After reading much about Christianity and Muslim religions both come from the same one place source that is Judaism. This small Judea tribe from Jeruslem are so religious people that all they want to do is to pray and pray to their God. Leave them alone.

Why leave them alone, even today?

Since the time Roman General Pompey invaded, occupied and colonized this small religious tribal people the Roman never have peace. This tribal Judea people just want to be free and be left alone to pray to their God. So when the Romans occupied them they just keep fighting and giving problems with the Romans in the name of their God until they are set free. When thet fight with the Roman they believed their God will send a Messiah to them, and also their God will come down personally to destroy their enemy for them.

They have their scriptures to believe in that their God will come down one day to establish HIS Kingdom of God and peace will be on this Land of Judea, now Israel. Until today, Israel is at war with its neighbours and that one day, as prophecised by their prophets in their scriptures, may or may not come through for Yahweh will establish HIS Kingdom of God. You and I will be dead by then.

Jesus, was just one of the many failed Messiance movements leader who think around that time He was the messiah and he and God will establish his kingdom of God and destroy their enemies 9according to the scriptures). Unfortunately their God has his own timing and Jesus died for nothing. But he (Jesus) was clever to establish a new Israel, known as Christianity for the Gentile, non-Jews, who wish to adopt Jewish Torah law and religion. Muslim is one of the out branch of Judaism. If not for the Romans the Muslim religion will not exist.

Chrisitanity, is another out branch of Judaism and is the lighter version - no need to circumise and baptism replaced circumcision, and Easter replaces Passover, and no fasting and praying everday. Muslim is more adhere to Judaism and they circumised, fast and pray many times a day.

As such these religious people just want to be left alone to pray, so leave them alone. Since the Roman invasion of Judea by General Pompey, they (Jewish) have never stop fighting to be free and left alone to pray and waiting for their God to establish HIS Kingdom of God (whatever it is).

So just leave them alone, they are harmless people who just want to pray and pray.
 
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Cranial Blowout

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm4HbqUKmY0


I don't wanted to be branded anti Semitic - but to cut an eight day old baby's wee wee off is barbaric wicked and cruel.

If the Jews decided that Singapore or Ireland were the 'promise land', would that be OK; I don't think so.

In the new testament Christians 'turn the other cheek' and are not fundamentalists.

Watch Richard Dawkins interview
 

drifter

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Drifter,

After reading much about Christianity and Muslim religions both come from the same one place source that is Judaism. This small Judea tribe from Jeruslem are so religious people that all they want to do is to pray and pray to their God. Leave them alone.

Why leave them alone, even today?

Since the time Roman General Pompey invaded, occupied and colonized this small religious tribal people the Roman never have peace. This tribal Judea people just want to be free and be left alone to pray to their God. So when the Romans occupied them they just keep fighting and giving problems with the Romans in the name of their God until they are set free. When thet fight with the Roman they believed their God will send a Messiah to them, and also their God will come down personally to destroy their enemy for them.

They have their scriptures to believe in that their God will come down one day to establish HIS Kingdom of God and peace will be on this Land of Judea, now Israel. Until today, Israel is at war with its neighbours and that one day, as prophecised by their prophets in their scriptures, may or may not come through for Yahweh will establish HIS Kingdom of God. You and I will be dead by then.

Jesus, was just one of the many failed Messiance movements leader who think around that time He was the messiah and he and God will establish his kingdom of God and destroy their enemies 9according to the scriptures). Unfortunately their God has his own timing and Jesus died for nothing. But he (Jesus) was clever to establish a new Israel, known as Christianity for the Gentile, non-Jews, who wish to adopt Jewish Torah law and religion. Muslim is one of the out branch of Judaism. If not for the Romans the Muslim religion will not exist.

Chrisitanity, is another out branch of Judaism and is the lighter version - no need to circumise and baptism replaced circumcision, and Easter replaces Passover, and no fasting and praying everday. Muslim is more adhere to Judaism and they circumised, fast and pray many times a day.

As such these religious people just want to be left alone to pray, so leave them alone. Since the Roman invasion of Judea by General Pompey, they (Jewish) have never stop fighting to be free and left alone to pray and waiting for their God to establish HIS Kingdom of God (whatever it is).

So just leave them alone, they are harmless people who just want to pray and pray.


harmless ? you mean they go around and brainwash ppl mind is harmless ? if they leave us alone ...we willl leave them alone .....:wink:
 

vamjok

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the funny thing is many muslim and christian refused to admit they are praying to the same god and belong to the same freaking religion
 

GOD IS MY DOG

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religion without science is blind


well said.................the only one that science is always supporting is Buddhism and it's not a religion at all.................

other ''religions'' are always proven wrong by science................


just as the Buddha said ''all spiritual truths are NO-things''


religion is just a concept created by the human mind.
 

Hahahaman

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well said.................the only one that science is always supporting is Buddhism and it's not a religion at all.................

other ''religions'' are always proven wrong by science................


just as the Buddha said ''all spiritual truths are NO-things''


religion is just a concept created by the human mind.

quantum science?
 
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How the Bible and Evolution Conflict
An Analysis of the Tension Between Two Worldviews


Let's first make the point that the tension between the Bible and evolution is not at all about the age of the earth! Authors Timothy Martin and Jeffrey Vaughn, in their book Beyond Creation Science, argue that the majority view of Christians throughout the ages has been that the Bible teaches an old earth. They quote, for example, St. Augustine, considered the top theologian in the early Christian age, as saying in his ancient book titled The Literal Meaning of Genesis: "But at least we know that it [the creation day] is different from the ordinary day with which we are familiar." While some Christians hold to a literal 6-day creation, even these do not necessarily hold to a young earth view, believing that the creation week happened billions of years ago.

The tension between evolution and creation is philosophical not scientific. Here are some points:

Creationism and evolutionism begin from two radically different points. Creation: In the beginning there was God. Evolution: In the beginning there was random chance.

Darwinian doctrine insists that the evolution of life is a random process—that we are here by a series of pure accidents (e.g., mutations, and molecules in motion, gene recombinations and duplications). This is in direct conflict with the biblical doctrine of election—that life is not merely a series of accidents. According to the Bible, each believer is in some sense individually foreknown and chosen by God from before the foundations of the world. (1 Samuel 16:7-12; Psalm 139:16; Jeremiah 1:5; Matthew 24:31, 25:34; Romans 8:29-30; 1 Corinthians 2:7; Galatians 1:15; Ephesians 1:4-12; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2:9)

The God of the Bible is more than Creator and Savior. He is also Sustainer. With evolution, life is a self-sustaining process ruled by fate, and God plays no role in the universe or in the ongoing lives of men. This contradicts the biblical doctrine of providence—that all things happen under the authority of God, and that God is still at work sustaining (though not re-creating) His creation. (Genesis 45:7-8, Nehemiah 9:6; Esther 4:14; Psalm 104:30, 145:16, 147:9; Proverbs 16:9,33, Isaiah 45:1,7, 46:10; Matthew 6:26, 10:29-31; John 5:17, 14:16-17, 15:26, 16:13-15; Acts 17:26, 18:9-11; Romans 8:9-11; Colossians 1:17, Hebrews 1:3)

Still another aspect of the God of the Bible is that He is Judge. The Bible makes a major point of an afterlife in heaven or hell. Indeed, Jesus discusses this concept more than any other biblical figure. As part of the process of ultimate judgment by God, a new type of resurrection body will emerge to another life—to either be glorified in heaven or condemned to hell for eternity. Evolution is in great conflict with this view, including the fact that the physical cannot evolve into an afterlife. (Matthew 5:22,29,30, 23:33, 24:31; Romans 8:23; 1 Corinthians 15:42-53; 2 Peter 2:4-10)

The Bible says that man was created as a special being—in the image of God, as opposed to the evolutionary view that has man is just another animal in the evolutionary process. (Genesis 1:26-27, 2:7)

The Bible indicates that creation was a completed event in the past, and is not continuing as evolution suggests. (Genesis 2:1-3; Ecclesiastes 3:14; Hebrews 4:3-11) As put by the Concordia Study Bible (annotations page 8), "His creative work was completed—and it was totally effective, absolutely perfect, 'very good.' It did not have to be repeated, repaired or revised, and the Creator rested to commemorate it."

Given the above, the creation by God of distinct "kinds" as described in Genesis 1 and 1 Corinthians 15:38-39 implies that transmutations between kinds is precluded, or at least superfluous.

The Bible indicates that there is clear physical evidence of creation. (Psalm 19:1-6; Acts 17:24-29) Evolution denies the evidence for creation. If Darwinism were a reasonable hypothesis, atheists would have a perfectly good excuse, in contradiction to Romans 1:20. On the other hand, creation is a consistent theme throughout the Bible.

There is no hint of evolution in the Bible. While this is an argument from silence and thus does not necessarily preclude evolution, such an important concept as to origins would surely have been suggested in the Bible due to its theological implications. On the other hand, creation is a consistent theme throughout the Bible. It is mentioned approximately 64 times in 18 books of the Bible.

Evolution is a philosophy based on naturalism and materialism. Naturalism holds that nature is all there is and that the universe is self-sufficient without a supernatural cause or control of the world. Materialism regards matter as the original cause of all—that matter did its own creating. Materialism denies the existence of the soul. The philosophical assumption of evolution is therefore essentially atheistic or agnostic, thus clearly incompatible with special creation and the other miracles of the Bible. With evolution, if God exists, He is so distant as to be irrelevant.

The Bible teaches that God created man by fiat, that is, by supernatural power, not by natural processes. (Genesis 2:7; Psalm 33:6,9; Psalm 148:5; 2 Corinthians 4:6; Hebrews 11:3)

Some 75 passages of Scripture including those by Jesus, refer to the creation narrative of Genesis 1-2, confirming it as actual history. (Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6; Luke 3:38, Revelation 2:7) See In the Beginning elsewhere on our site.

There is an important reason to interpret from the Bible that Adam was a real person. Unless the concept of original sin through Adam is true, Jesus' coming makes no sense. That is, Christians believe that Christ's atoning sacrifice for our sins was necessary because of man's sin nature inherited in some sense from Adam. The Bible teaches that Jesus was the "second Adam." So if Adam was not real, thus did not bring sin into the world, Christ's redemptive sacrifice was not necessary. (Genesis 3:15-19; Romans 4:22-25, 5:12-21; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,45-57; 1 Timothy 2:13-14).

The overarching theme of the Bible is Creation/Fall/Redemption. (God created the universe "very good." Then man spoiled it by his rebellion—the "Fall", necessitating God's redemption of mankind through Christ.) This sequence is crucial to Christian theology. Did God really create things bad, not "very good" as the Bible says (Genesis 1:31)? If things were bad to start with, the Fall becomes a superfluous concept. (The Fall presupposes that there was something good from which to fall.) Thus, a major point of tension exists between the Bible and evolution at the heart of the biblical doctrine of the Fall. Note the following quote from G. R. Bozarth, The American Atheist magazine, September 1978, 30:

"Christianity has fought, still fights, and will fight science to the desperate end over evolution, because evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of God. If Jesus was not the redeemer who died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing."

Evolutionism, indeed, denies that man even has a sinful nature or else suggests that we should not be faulted for our human nature because "that is just our nature." Thus evolution is inconsistent with the Christian belief that man is indeed fallen and in need of a savior.

The theory of evolution itself has continually changed over time. This is in contrast to the Bible, which has not changed over time.

Morality in evolutionary thought is a function of natural selection, survival of the fittest, or situation ethics. The Bible teaches transcending moral truth, given by God. (Exodus 20:1-17; Isaiah 5:20-21)

Evolution is closely associated with the philosophy of secular humanism, which accepts human beings as the ultimate source of meaning and value. The Bible, of course, places God as the ultimate source of meaning and value.

The Bible teaches that man was created for a special purpose. Evolution denies that man has a divine purpose, or at least implies that man's purpose in life is whatever one wants to make of it (secular humanism). (Isaiah 43:7; Jeremiah 29:11; Matthew 6:10; Romans 8:28, 14:12; Galatians 1:15; Ephesians 2:10, 3:21; 2 Timothy 1:9; 1 Peter 4:10)

Since evolution offers no real purpose for life, it results in an absence of meaning, and therefore an absence of objective moral values. This is clearly in conflict with the Bible. Evolution results in a philosophy of nihilism (the denial of any basis for truth), which ultimately ends in despair. The Bible claims to have the Truth, which gives ultimate hope. (John 14:6; Colossians 1:27)

The Bible not only fits the evidence of scientific investigation, it provides an answer for why the world was created. Evolution does neither.
 

GOD IS MY DOG

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huh ???

believe in a God that almost killed Moses becoz he never circumcise...........................



heck, why didn't the old fool create guys without foreskins in the 1st place ???!!!




HARRY POTTER.....................IS MORE REAL...........................THAN JESUS.......................
 
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