PAP gahmen lost $2.6 billion for failure to tax PHV cars proportionately/ adequately.

[bic_cherry]

PAP gahmen lost $2.6 billion p.a. for failure to tax PHV cars by mileage adequately.

Isn't it a very glaring loophole that PHV cars are all freeloading on Singapore road infrastructure given the fact that they all travel 9x the mileage of a normal family sedan car?

At an average depreciation of $8000 p.a. and not even including road taxes payable, each PHV car is thus short changing government coffers of $64,000 p.a. every year based on their road mileage travelled. https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...p-petrol-consumption-in-singapore-say-experts

⁣Accoring to https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/private-hire-cars-outnumber-taxis-by-a-mile there are 41,297 PHV registered cars on the roads in April of 2017.

Given that each PHV car by mileage has short changed IRAS (tax authority) of $64,000 based on loophole of obsolete road use taxes policy, the total amount shortchanged by all PHV vehicles in Singapore would thus be up to $2,643,008,000.

The Singapore government should strive hard to recover this large amount of $$$ from the rich and wealthy people who like to use such private and bespoke private hire car chauffeur services and use it to improve PMD/ Bicycle use on the roads, of which they are currently being squeezed off the roads due to excessive congestion and dangerous/ aggressive driving habits of PHV drivers.

More people using bicycles will mean lesser strain on the public transportation system and a lesser need to provide concessionary travel and also public transportation subsidy vouchers to support poor people. $2.6 billion dollars should more than cover these subsidies and concessions and public transportation users who are already borderline poor, shouldn't be expected to subsidise their equally poor co-users.

LTA should charge all PHV operators like Gojek, GRAB car etc a levy tax of an equal share of their commission collected for the physical road infrastructure that the PHV use for their business purposes. Based on mileage and the profitability of business, this would probably somewhat make up the $2.6 billion in road use fees and charges by motor vehicles lost (if all the PHV cars indeed do the 9x normal car mileage and are not idling in car rental stores awaiting rental by PHV drivers). Some of these PHV levies collected can also be channeled towards treatment of medical/ lung problems in cyclist, pedestrians and PMD users because these PHV emit toxic air pollutants and add to greenhouse gas emissions. Some of the $2.6 billion could also be used for nation building, like the infrastructure and maintenance costs of MRT lines.

Spoiler

Poor depend on poor for help with concessions and public transportation vouchers:

AFFORDABLE FARES, SUSTAINABLE PUBLIC TRANSPORT
The Fare Review Mechanism Committee Report 2013

http://mot.gov.sg/news/FRMC Report 1 Nov.pdf

Estimate of annual depreciation of car value in Singapore (mainly from COE, ARF amortization etc):

https://www.sgcarmart.com/tools_tips/depreciation.php

 

[Kuailan]

Don't talk cock and bull stories, if car need to travel 9 times more than they have to pay for petrol 9 times more, they didn't get the

petrol FOC from gahmen, gahmen didn't provide free petrol!! Next times pay by mileage travel, GPS based, than peasants and

the rest will be fuck by pap deep deep!! Vote them in and get SCREWED deep deep!!

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Don't talk cock and bull stories, if car need to travel 9 times more than they have to pay for petrol 9 times more, they didn't get the

petrol FOC from gahmen, gahmen didn't provide free petrol!! Next times pay by mileage travel, GPS based, than peasants and

the rest will be fuck by pap deep deep!! Vote them in and get SCREWED deep deep!!

Need to add in cost of ERP

 

[Valium]

Fuck bicycle and pmd.
Fuck your mother's cheebye too.

 

[mojito]

PAP gahmen lost $2.6 billion p.a. for failure to tax PHV cars by mileage adequately.

Isn't it a very glaring loophole that PHV cars are all freeloading on Singapore road infrastructure given the fact that they all travel 9x the mileage of a normal family sedan car?

At an average depreciation of $8000 p.a. and not even including road taxes payable, each PHV car is thus short changing government coffers of $64,000 p.a. every year based on their road mileage travelled. https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...p-petrol-consumption-in-singapore-say-experts

⁣Accoring to https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/private-hire-cars-outnumber-taxis-by-a-mile there are 41,297 PHV registered cars on the roads in April of 2017.

Given that each PHV car by mileage has short changed IRAS (tax authority) of $64,000 based on loophole of obsolete road use taxes policy, the total amount shortchanged by all PHV vehicles in Singapore would thus be up to $2,643,008,000.

The Singapore government should strive hard to recover this large amount of $$$ from the rich and wealthy people who like to use such private and bespoke private hire car chauffeur services and use it to improve PMD/ Bicycle use on the roads, of which they are currently being squeezed off the roads due to excessive congestion and dangerous/ aggressive driving habits of PHV drivers.

More people using bicycles will mean lesser strain on the public transportation system and a lesser need to provide concessionary travel and also public transportation subsidy vouchers to support poor people. $2.6 billion dollars should more than cover these subsidies and concessions and public transportation users who are already borderline poor, shouldn't be expected to subsidise their equally poor co-users.

LTA should charge all PHV operators like Gojek, GRAB car etc a levy tax of an equal share of their commission collected for the physical road infrastructure that the PHV use for their business purposes. Based on mileage and the profitability of business, this would probably somewhat make up the $2.6 billion in road use fees and charges by motor vehicles lost (if all the PHV cars indeed do the 9x normal car mileage and are not idling in car rental stores awaiting rental by PHV drivers). Some of these PHV levies collected can also be channeled towards treatment of medical/ lung problems in cyclist, pedestrians and PMD users because these PHV emit toxic air pollutants and add to greenhouse gas emissions. Some of the $2.6 billion could also be used for nation building, like the infrastructure and maintenance costs of MRT lines.

Spoiler

Poor depend on poor for help with concessions and public transportation vouchers:

AFFORDABLE FARES, SUSTAINABLE PUBLIC TRANSPORT
The Fare Review Mechanism Committee Report 2013

http://mot.gov.sg/news/FRMC Report 1 Nov.pdf

Estimate of annual depreciation of car value in Singapore (mainly from COE, ARF amortization etc):

https://www.sgcarmart.com/tools_tips/depreciation.php

First time I hear
People want tax themselves more
Pay more for teksi
Where tax moneys go
Into pockets of MIW
Certainly not yours!

 

[bic_cherry]

Don't talk cock and bull stories, if car need to travel 9 times more than they have to pay for petrol 9 times more, they didn't get the

petrol FOC from gahmen, gahmen didn't provide free petrol!! Next times pay by mileage travel, GPS based, than peasants and

the rest will be fuck by pap deep deep!! Vote them in and get SCREWED deep deep!!

I already put in the spoiler the annual depreciation of car value, mostly arising from the COE and ARF value, car value depreciation which will happen REGARDLESS if u use the car or not.

Just that when government decided on COE quota, they based on average mileage and thus pollution, congestion caused per car, but when PHV came along, each PHV car caused 9 times the pollution and congestion and many more accidents because some PHV drivers are young and inexperienced drivers just out to make a quick buck.

Thus, due to new PHV class of cars, much of the Singapore government car taxes on usage are now OBSOLETE and thus need urgent rethink, if any, to fund and drive our push for better public transportation and car lite.

Nah, annual depreciation of car values FYI:

Estimate of annual depreciation of car value in Singapore (mainly from COE, ARF amortization etc):

https://www.sgcarmart.com/tools_tips/depreciation.php

 

[bic_cherry]

First time I hear
People want tax themselves more
Pay more for teksi
Where tax moneys go
Into pockets of MIW
Certainly not yours!

Should go into the public transportation fund' which is currently mostly from fares paid by normal public transportation passengers.

Those high SES people who use the bespoke chauffeur services should be subsidising the concessions and public transportation vouchers instead.

 

[mojito]

Should go into the public transportation fund' which is currently mostly from fares paid by normal public transportation passengers.

Those high SES people who use the bespoke chauffeur services should be subsidising the concessions and public transportation vouchers instead.

Should, ought to.
Loong should not appoint his own wife on Temasek CEO. But he can. Can you?
It is all about the cans and can nots. Should and should not have no place in our politics.

 

[bic_cherry]

Should, ought to.
Loong should not appoint his own wife on Temasek CEO. But he can. Can you?
It is all about the cans and can nots. Should and should not have no place in our politics.

But it does have an IMPORTANT PLACE in the court of public opinion.

Unlike yourself, I still have hope in the intelligence of Singaporeans. They just have to make the effort to recall where they misplaced it, and put it back right where it rightfully belongs.

 

[bic_cherry]

What makes you think that those cyclists on the roads are low SES? Why don't you check the cost of some of those bicycles? Besides, you are conflating issues. The topic is on the need for the government to get as much revenue ( or it will result in "lost" revenue according to you ) from road users as possible.

There shouldn't be any free loaders. If there are more cyclists on the roads, the roads will be more congested. The foot print of a cyclist is no less than a motorcyclist. In fact, a cyclist requires more space because some buay gan and isn't comfortable with less than 1.5m safe passing distance. Motorcyclists frequently pass vehicles at much less than that.

Providing additional infrastructure for cyclists results in additional costs. That will be a massive logic fail since the topic is to get as much revenue as possible. Spending money on free loaders is stupid and totally contradictory to the purpose of this thread. Just treat cyclists on roads as a motorcyclist. Pay COE, road tax, insurance etc. Additional source of revenue.

For your irrelevant point of public transportation fund, I think with the additional revenue from cyclists ( COE, road tax, ERP etc), the government can give MORE targeted transportation subsidies in the form of transport vouchers for the TRULY needy. Equating cyclists with the less well off is a fallacy and a misdirection.

I suggest that we all don't bother with the PMD and cyclist and that as a city in a garden, we should just give them a lane (or share with buses), just as we spend billions of $$$ to build covered walkways for pedestrians and let them be.

In addition, if more people cycle, perhaps HPB sunrise in the city and other expensive programmes to promote exercise amongst Singaporeans can be curtailed because, then cycling around can be a viable form of exercise in itself since more people can cycle and more people will exercise than sponsoring studios like True Fitness will attract since one exercise studio session is limited to 30pax at most but cycling on roads will allow people to keep fit everytime they travel from one place to the next.

For now, let the high SES PHV users fund the public transportation concession travel and vouchers for poor people, rather than the poor public transportation users themselves.

In public policy making, you need an inter ministry bird's eye view, not just linear view to do one thing to the exception of all others.

High MOH $$$$ expenditure on private exercise gyms and studios to promote active lifestyle amongst Singaporeans and PR:

My overarching objective is to reduce social inequality in Singapore and perhaps avoid any GST increase, which are perhaps the result of our incompetent senior government officials and overpaid ministers thinking each in his own tiny ministry silo all this while.

 

[bic_cherry]

Someone sleeping on the job??

So grab going to charge more now?

Henceforth, due to need to claw back motor vehicle on road usage fees, GRAB and Gojek fares will just have to cost more because now have to factor in the government PHV fare royalty/ levy. Maybe term as 'public transportation fund contribution' will sound more palatable, so all PHV drivers and users will not begrudge the fee.

And yes, someone senior at LTA should have bonus frozen because people outside LTA gave the suggestion, rather than the overpaid LTA scholars themselves.

This is my NS contribution to Singapore, to make public transportation more affordable and also reduce freeloading of road infrastructure by PHV companies, passengers and cars. If PHV passengers are unhappy about surcharge, they are free to hire a bicycle and make their way to their destination at zero payment involved.

In due course, they won't have to contribute to the public transportation fund if they take public transportation because this should be contributed to by the high SES people who opt for PHV bespoke chauffeured private transportation instead.

 

[bic_cherry]

i dont think grab even makes 2.6 billion revenues ......

and pls dont tariff ur own citizens.

GRAB is undoubtedly doing a booming business because the PHV rates are so cheap because as mentioned, their vehicles are at present, in essence, freeloading off the current motor vehicle road transportation system by using ordinary cars as PHV with zero additional road taxes or other fees like COE, ARF, excise duties payable.

Another evidence of this is how PHV vehicle fares have undercut taxi fares by up to 40% for similar rides.

Those high SES PHV passengers are however, the chief benificiaries of this glaring loophole and in the periphery, the PHV drivers and their company sponsors such as GRAB and Go-jek.

The government is thus obliged to close this glaring loophole which is bleeding from uncollected taxes and other charges to a tune of up to $2.6 billion p.a., in part to limit motor vehicle population on the road and in part on the basis of progressive taxation, to use a large portion of these PHV fares to pay for public transportation vouchers for the needy and concessions travel, so that ordinary public transportation users are not unnecessarily burdened.

Bespoke services, especially chauffeur private hire car services will always command a premium price, likewise, walking, bicycle or PMD transportation option will always be free for the more needy segments of society, in part to relieve burden on the public transportation system and in part to make poor people independent (have to self fix PMD/ bicycle to save $$$). Wealthier segments of society shall keep public transportation operational but no frills since anyone upset with the adequate service can always either buy a car or a bicycle and travel on his own terms within legal limts of ambient music choices, speed, temperature, routes etc.

Instead of forcing public transportation users to help poorer commuters, it is well within reason to make high SES PHV users pay for public transportation subsidise for the poor or other needy segments of society such as students etc.

So please don't accuse me of being capricious about my suggestion of new taxation strategies which are just and unite Singapore society. To not do so (sit on our palms and do nothing) will be our big mistake ultimately.

 

[bic_cherry]

But road taxing by mileage is only akan datang with the satellite coming online soon

Before this they never had the tech to do it- unlezz you go VICOM every month and show your mileage meter.

But now all the PHV sponsoring companies know exactly how much $$$ each driver makes (used to deduct the commission which is retained by PHV company), so government has a very clear view of how much a car is being used in excess of it's original purpose for personal/ family use; rather than for the business use of a private for profit chauffeur service.

Government can very easily charge a levy on this turnover$$$ amount, just like government imposes a tax on tobacco by number of cigarette sticks or GST on transaction amount $$$ on goods purchased.

An amount EQUAL to the amount of commission charged by the PHV sponsoring company is a reasonable levy that the government can collect and probably no PHV passenger would begrudge this fee in part because it is a logical and reasonable fee to charge in lieu of the congestion and pollution added on by PHV vehicles and in part because it will be channeled to help poor people with public transportation and also build up public transportation infrastructure for future the good of the entire population of Singapore.

As mentioned, for current PHV users, public transportation or PMD use are all very viable cheaper or even FOC alternative transportation options.

 

[laksaboy]

Another evidence of this is how PHV vehicle fares have undercut taxi fares by up to 40% for similar rides.

This is more of a damning indictment of how the taxi company cartel has been ripping Sinkies off for years, nothing to do with PHVs.

Similar to Singapore Power and electricity bills.

 

[bic_cherry]

Our Ref: LTA/QSMO/SQSS/SQ/F20.000.000/1304503
Date : 12-Jul-2019
Tel : 63961235
Fax : 63961192

Dear Ms Cherry

PAP gahmen lost $2.6 billion p.a. for failure to tax PHV cars by mileage adequately.
FEEDBACK NUMBER:20190710-0520

We received your email dated 10 July 2019.

As we require more time to look into your feedback, we will reply to you as soon as we have all the details.

We thank you for writing in.


Yours sincerely
Cecilia Lim (Ms)
Deputy Manager
Service Quality Division

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[bic_cherry]

LTA's Non sequetur, boiler plate standard reply:...


Our Ref: LTA/QSMO/SQSS/SQ/F20.000.000/1304503
Date : 23-Jul-2019
Tel : 62957720
Fax : 63961192

Dear Ms Cherry
PAP gahmen lost $2.6 billion p.a. for failure to tax PHV cars by mileage adequately.
FEEDBACK NUMBER: 20190710-0520

We received your email of 10 July 2019.
We wish to share that road tax is determined by the car’s use of road space, and an element of progressivity is applied on the basis of the car’s engine power. Road space is measured using the Passenger Car Unit (PCU) where different vehicle types are measured relative to a passenger car, which is assigned a unit of 1. Hence, Private Hire Cars (PHCs), which take up the same amount of space as a normal family car, are charged similarly.
We also wish to share that high mileage vehicles do pay more given the Electronic Road Pricing (ERP) system, which charges motorists for every use of priced roads during the designated hours. This minimises the traffic volume in heavily used roads, and to the extent that a particular vehicle contributes more to congestion, the owner correspondingly pays a higher price.
Thank you for your feedback.

Yours sincerely
Winnie Wong (Ms)
Assistant Manager
Service Quality Division

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