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Obsolete US Presidential vote counting method causes immense problems for the world.

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    Obsolete US Presidential vote counting method causes immense problems for the world

    The USA presidential electorial system is stuck in pre-1861?

    Anyway, what i think/ my SUSPICION about the USA electoral collage system is that it is an anachronistic system stuck in the post civil war years whereby the FASTEST form of ANY USA intra continental COMMUNICATION pre1861 then involved at best, continuous postal service travel vz continuous relay horseback riders to cross the continent to deliver electorial votes to washington in 10days at best ('pony express').
    As usual, the means of secure info transmission, beside stamp and rubber seal etc would involve sending multiple coppies of the same document vz alternative routes to the same address so any hijacking / fraud enroute can be detected and rectified etc.

    BUT none of the more modern technology like even the telegraph had been invented yet.

    Thus the impossibility of actual voter numbers could be transmitted due to the possibility of innumerable disputes arising from vote count numbers (adding an additional digit 'zero' to a count would multiply votes by factor of 10 etc): thus the simplistic option of either a yes or no reply: each state having to decide on just ONE candidate without any subdivision according to individual voter preference due to the limitations in communications technology pre 1861.

    Democratic voting methods need to be updated according to technological improvements, unfortunately, the USA presidential voting system seems to have been stuck in the historical era of George Washington.

    That is why the American political system is getting more and more UNSTABLE as time goes on.

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    In the United States, the Morse/Vail telegraph was quickly deployed in the two decades following the first demonstration. The overland telegraph connected the west coast of the continent to the east coast by 24 October 1861, bringing an end to the Pony Express.[30]
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_telegraph
     
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    Re: Obsolete US Presidential vote counting method causes immense problems for the wor

    Personally, i feel that the greatest flaw is the outdated electoral college system which uses the winner take all counting method due to its antiquated pre 1861 state voting result-communication methods.

    Such a grossly inaccurate counting method (by modern standards) is what gives rise to all sorts of impostors and dishonest tradesmen with less than honourable motives to exploit giant loopholes in prez election system.

    What is happening now is like voting vz show of hands, between candidate A vs B with a winner take all result that is as UNPREDICTABLE as it is grossly INACCURATE : thus the natural reaction by a majority of citizens to be disillusioned with the electoral system and actually treat it like a joke.

    If no action is made to stabilise the foundation, any possible proximate cause like wind, rain, earthquake or even a heavy vibrating air cooling system will demolish the house. The current USA presidential electorial system is designed premised upon the communications limitations circa pre 1861 where all cross continent communications vz the fastest communications method ('pony express') took 10 days to accomplish.

    A redesign of the presidential vote counting method is OVERDUE by more than a century and a half. Or else, American vote counting methods is seriously ailing and outdated and urgently needs a review.
     
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    I just hope that 'Republican democracy' isn't a matter of "Two wolves and a sheep sitting down" to decide the recipie for dinner (i.e. the law of the land).

    U make the USA in its current constitution sound like a giant sorority club with protectionist rules, that also has arcane vote counting methods that remain buried in the era of dependence upon smoke signal communications ... which is hardly reassuring to the rest of the world.

    I think using the current arcane vote counting methods, the Republicans are happy with it because in the last two presidential elections, they managed to win, but though they may temporarily be beneficiaries of this anachronism, their fortunes may easily change at the flip of the coin...
     
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    Obsolete and outdated USA vote counting method is a DANGER to the world.
    I STILL THINK that the way electoral college votes are totalled and the result transmitted to Washington dc for the determination of whom should be president is more a product of LIMITATION BY DESIGN to the pre-1861 state of available communications technology (i.e. smoke signals, pony express mail service in the era BEFORE telegraph service) and perhaps the infant democracy that the USA was at (blacks and women weren't allowed to vote).

    Why else would a state not accede to accurate transmission of data to the benefit of minority interest but either due to TECHNOLOGICAL LIMITATIONS of the contemporary period or else because many states were ruled by BULLIES who would gratuitously (indecently/corruptly) exploit minority interest in favour of their majority rule. I am already being very lenient in blaming technological limitations for the perceivable injustice since to label state leaderships of being rogue BULLIES would be most incriminating. Costs of elections were also a concern so the focus was on state legislature, the vote for president having much lesser concern since USA was more concerned about intra-contentinental issues with few if any global concerns.

    Perhaps the fact that state legislatures across all states (to my knowledge) opt for statewide voter participation in presidential elections (rather than flipping a coin as u mentioned) alludes to the fact that contemporary justice supported by modern technological progress, the GROWING AMBIT OF GLOBAL ROLE OF USA PRESIDENT, demand for as widespread voter participation as possible. Both technological availability and voter interest mandate that a national vote BEYOND the election of mere state legislators be conducted.

    The 'winner take all' casino like manner of electoral college votes reporting for presidential elections only serves to fuel extremes of citizen emotions, from rabid activism to apathetic absenteeism as 'my vote won't count': which itself adds fuel to creating divisions within a nation/ federation. The current method of USA presidential vote counting remains an anachronism of our time and urgently needs reform if the USA is to remain a leading thought/policy leader in the world, rather than an OBSOLETE /spent force, or a bully which others need to teach discipline to and be put back to its original humble place.
     
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