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Obama what hope? Why fear?

nkfnkfnkf

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090120...uration_rdp;_ylt=AjIrRQ9DZu_hxZ5qnj3Mu_qs0NUE

Obama takes office, saying choose 'hope over fear'

When the hardship is here then face it with courage and out tough it.

What hope? Hope is the source of weakness.

You only hope if you mind still want to get out of trouble and avoid facing it avoid to be in hardship. That means you are still naive and don't accept the reality realistically. Your hope is only your source of pain.

You should rather chose BRUTE over Hope.

Fear then will not be your problem once you have the Brute, the hardship should fear you instead.

Mankind had lived in very harsh and hard situations and suffered much before death of many generations. Brute is the only naturally strong way to face life. Not hope.

If you live in Zimbabwe right now, and have HIV like the rest there, in serious shortage of food and water, then hyperinflation is a billion percent then only Brute will keep you going. Hope will only pain you.

But choice is yours, you can take hope. You can hope to be Bill Gates while you suck your painful life in Zimbabwe, the more you hope the more you are in pain the more you may give up the more you WILL be DISAPPOINTED. You can dream even bigger and your mind will then be even further from reality and disconnect you from ability to adapt and cope with reality of hardship.

Obama's family was not the African slaves, he don't have it in his blood like his black brothers to be able to BRUTE. Like whites he bet wrongly on hope and try to escape from his own fear.

You can tell it from reading between his lines that he is fearful although he hide his fear very well. Fear is factually with him as he steps into his office. I can say his fear won't go away ever because he bet on HOPE instead of BRUTE.

Many great leaders had chosen Brute instead of Hope and performed well in much harder situations than Obama's time. One leader that have no problem of Fear and handled pains and suffering very well and survived harsh reality in Brute is Mahatma Gandhi. Chaos fights bloodshed deaths sufferings poverty feud and HOPELESSNESS was around India during Gandhi's time, eventually he was even shot dead by someone. But he brutally submerged in all these harsh difficulties and hardship. He took on these conditions so well and have no complains about them.

He don't sell Hope nor Fear like Obama.

Mahatma Gandhi is more than 25 times stronger and practical than Obama. American president's burden is more than 100 times of newly independent India, just their enormous debts alone is a world record. India didn't even become independent with debt.

Obama isn't going to do well simply because he came from the wrong perspective and is going towards a lost direction.

Hope means he still want to return to America's good past and the idea of turning around swiftly hangs in his mind and won't go away. That means he will lead a time and resource wasting spin on the same spot. Unlike Mahatma Gandhi who was ready for hardship and all suffering without attitude of avoidance, Mahatma Gandhi was prepared to face lack of resources and chaos and subject himself and India to these harsh reality with a tough brute mentality, he can because his ancestor did the same for many generations before the British came. Gandhi had no plan to take fast route out of India's bad situation. Deaths suffering deprivations chaos conflicts whatever Gandhi face it naturally and brutally. He subjected himself to starvation and hungerstrike going straight towards death without FEAR NOR REGRET. He did not hang HOPE high in his mind when he did what he did.

This is very unlike Obama & PAP.

It is obvious that they want to turn back to good time and shaft the problematic reality to a dark corner that they can not see. Sadly that is how most people had wrongly defined success.
 

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Americans voted for Obama this is democracy.

Gandhi wasn't even voted by Indians. He had just became the Mahatma by what he did. Gandhi isn't an example of democracy, but rather (fight for) freedom instead of democracy.
 

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LOL, what so great about Gandhi ? He is irerlevant today even Hindians have long forgotten him. Thank god the fundie Hindu finished off this pacifist sex pervert.
 

zuoom

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"hope" is one of powerful tool.

it works both ways.

if hope is taken away at the most difficult time.. then only despair is left.
but if hope is ever present, then there just might be a chance to turn over.
 

nkfnkfnkf

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LOL, what so great about Gandhi ? He is irerlevant today even Hindians have long forgotten him. Thank god the fundie Hindu finished off this pacifist sex pervert.


Americans and the likes TODAY better learn how to respect Gandhi.

Gandhi is one of the very very few leaders that shows NO GREED and NO FEAR OF SUFFERINGS and NO FEAR OF LOSSES.

Gandhi is also one of the very very few leaders that shows how to TAKE THE HARD WAYS.

Gandhi led by example.

Gandhi never pursue in a good economy in any way. He boycott western economy and had Indians burnt all the British products including cloths. He stopped wearing his western coat which he used to wear as a lawyer. He made his own cotton thread and cloths and wear simple like a robe.

He boycotts even the British Salt Tax. By example he led people how to fight without fear of self-sufferings. He is not afraid to die nor go to prison. He starved himself nearly dead in hungerstrike. He did everything the hardest and painful ways, until he cowed the British Empire.

Gandhi not only led the Indians. He actually led the Africans' fight against British before he returned to India from London. THIS INCLUDED OBAMA'S FATHER & GRANDPA.

Gandhi's leadership is precisely right for today especially in that the resolute NOT to take the easy way out. NOT to demand good life. NOT expecting Economy to fly. However slow however painful however hard however difficult however many had died he and his people CAN TAKE IT. However long and however rough the route he will march on bear foot. How many times the British can charge arrest and imprison him, he can take it. How close was he to death he starved and suffered, he could take it. No complains.

He Bruted it out with the mighty British and he won. Indians won.

That is how the Mahatma is made.

This is not how Obama is made.

Today only the Mahatma's spirit is practically useful not the Obama spirit.
 
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Many people will still think that Obama is hope, I think just because there is no where else they can find any hope. That is the sad desperate state of the world right now. But really what magic spell can Obama cast?
 

nkfnkfnkf

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"hope" is one of powerful tool.

it works both ways.

if hope is taken away at the most difficult time.. then only despair is left.
but if hope is ever present, then there just might be a chance to turn over.

The Brute however is to accept despair and face it and live through it. The spirit is to brave it and not fear it nor avoid it.

The problem with most people in the present world is they want honey coated on everything and they can not take a slight bit of bitterness.

That is why this world is so weak and lost all the strength that we had in the past.

I think Obama's leadership is a little like the PAP or LKY. That he is selling only hope and most likely FALSE-HOPE. Just like LKY's Golden Era.

If he said something more honest and motivated people to be strong than at least he had not been elected in vain. What I see is Obama is just another bubble, those voted him bet on him HOPING to strike 4D. He does not look like wanting to any thing real at all. Just fools peoples' heart and minds by HOPES that's all.

PAP at rare occasions can honestly tell people to Tighten Your Belts. Does Obama tell American children that they have to grow up to pay debts or just HOPE for santa to come everyday?
 

Jimano

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Gandhi is also one of the very very few leaders that shows how to TAKE THE HARD WAYS.

Gandhi led by example.

Go take your Gandhism crap to your fellow Hindians who are the ones who are most lacking in basic human values. Once converted to Gandhism your Hindia can free Kashmir from its terrorism.
 

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So Obama must be right!
With hope people can expect to move mountains even.:biggrin:

Bush also con the American people via false hopes.

His was false hope of security and war victories.

They are all shattered.

LKY also con the Singaporeans with false hopes.

His is Golden Period & More Good Years.

They are all shattered also.

Obama is idiot if he rejected this reality and try to play with more false hopes.

Nothing is going to be achieved and people will be so disappointed and pissed. He is going to be in deeper shit than Bush when people found out that he is a bigger Bull Shit than Bush.

All the hopes to reverse the reality will not work. Only bigger crisis and deficits and failures will be resulted.
 

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Waugh! U are a real pessimist ah. If there are more like u around the churches, temples, mosques will all go empty and casinos all over will go bankrupt and cemetries will be full of people dead from giving up treatments.:biggrin:
 

nkfnkfnkf

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Waugh! U are a real pessimist ah. If there are more like u around the churches, temples, mosques will all go empty and casinos all over will go bankrupt and cemetries will be full of people dead from giving up treatments.:biggrin:

Not really. Worship and spiritual places still have much other useful purposes than pursuing for hopes. I can show you examples what other things people seek at places of worship:

  • Strength
  • Faith
  • Repent
  • Guidance
  • Inspiration
  • Unity
  • Friendship
  • Blessing (marriage child-birth)
  • Funerals

Only for Ah Beng country that people mostly go places of worship to seek hope of good material life and knows nothing else.
 

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O I C, the church is one-stop-shop for all these activities wh are also available eslewhere. Now churches are something like what we see in petrol kiosks today hah?.:rolleyes:
What about improving moral standards of people? They can't be doing a lot here as moral standards today are at all time low!:(
 
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