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Chitchat Mud Professor: "To Be Malay Is To Be Muslim!" Christian Malays Disqualified Please!

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  1. JohnTan

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    SINGAPORE — The Community Committee is part of a system fluid enough to deal with the malleable concept of race in the presidential elections, said two political office holders on Friday (Sept 8).

    The issue of what it means to be Malay, and the role of the Community Committee that certifies a prospective candidate’s ethnicity, continued to spark discussion at the Institute of Policy Studies forum on the reserved presidential election.

    Following changes to the constitution last November, this month’s Presidential Election has been reserved for the Malay community. A 16-member committee will certify a prospective candidate’s racial group.

    The very concept of race evolves and the system to determine one’s race should not take a “definitive, restrictive, exclusive approach”, said Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office Chan Chun Sing.


    “The community must come to terms (with) who best represents them. If the community accepts someone… then who else outside the community will want to dispute that and who else in the community will want to dispute that?” he said.

    “So it’s a very common-sensical way to allow the community to decide for themselves.”

    Mr Chan was responding to IPS Senior Research Fellow Mathew Mathews, who asked if the committee’s decision would affect the country’s overall social cohesion or notion of the reserved election if – in a hypothetical situation – it were to reject a Malay candidate because he is Christian.

    The system tries to strike balance between defining race and leaving the concept “fluid and malleable and changeable over time”, said Senior Minister of State (Communications and Information and Education) Janil Puthucheary .

    “To have that fluidity over time is very, very important. It doesn’t lock us in,” he said. “If the Malay community changes its aspirations and its sense of what makes a Malay five years from now, there should be a way to reflect that in the choice of candidate, without us having to go for a potentially very divisive Constitutional amendment.”

    Dr Puthucheary acknowledged that the hypothetical individual mentioned by Dr Mathew could feel excluded, but said the individual could still contest in an open election.

    A reserved presidential election kicks in if someone from a particular racial group has not been represented for five continuous terms.

    A community may not unanimously agree on who belongs to its community, and the decision could fall on its leaders, said Dr Puthucheary.

    On who selects and sets the criteria for the committee, Mr Chan said Singaporeans should elect the government that they trust to make the decision.

    Earlier during the forum, participants had also discussed how an individual could be deemed “accepted” as a member of a particular community.

    For this presidential election, the constitution defines a “person belonging to the Malay community” as anyone who considers himself to be a member of the community and who is generally accepted as such by the community.

    With the Community Committees made up of prominent individuals, the Government has devised an “elite-driven mechanism”, said Dr Norshahril Saat, a fellow at the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute. On its part, the Malay community at large seems primarily concerned with the candidates’ ability to speak the language, their religious outlook, and contributions to the community.

    Dr Norshahril felt sentiments on the ground today require Malays to be Muslims – a point other academics felt to be potentially contentious.

    “So, a person who has an Indian father and a Malay mother is more Malay than a whole-hearted Malay who happens to be a Christian?” mused Dr Kevin Tan, an adjunct professor at the National University of Singapore’s law faculty.

    If the Community Committee requires the candidate to be a practising Muslim to consider him or her Malay, that “poses a lot of problems, simply because it infringes a person’s right to religious freedom” – which is also a constitutional provision, said Singapore Management University law don Eugene Tan.

    “That opens another potential can of worms, because if a Christian Malay is not given a certificate of eligibility, I think that person can take this case to the courts,” he said.

    That the decisions of the Community Committee— which also assesses minority candidates under the Group Representation Constituency system in General Elections — are final, is also a problem, said Dr Kevin Tan.

    “That is probably unconstitutional… The basic fundamental principle about the separation of powers is that if the court has to interpret the constitution, no branch of the Government can tell the court what to do,” he said.

    http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/community-committee-able-deal-evolving-concept-race
     
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    Re: Mud Professor: "To Be Malay Is To Be Muslim!" Christian Malays Disqualified Pleas

    Sadly and increasingly the Malays are being thought of as utter fools and completely helpless and hapless when it comes to race. And Singapore is their land. I am just amazed they are keeping quiet. Looks like AMP, Mendaki, and the Malay MPs have been gutted.
     
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    Re: Mud Professor: "To Be Malay Is To Be Muslim!" Christian Malays Disqualified Pleas

    I find this statement to be both untrue and a huge insult to the sinkies.

    Many people of the non-Malay races have lived here for generations. Some of us have served NS for a few generations too. This is our land too. Please do not erase our links to this land simply because we are not melayu. That is both racist and incorrect. Some of us family members have bled and died in service for this land too.

    Factually, singapore island was sparsely inhabited by the time Raffles landed and made this into a Brit colony. There were only a few villages around. Most of the people staying in Singapore today, including the Malays, came from somewhere. Most probably came from the Indon islands. Hard to say this island belongs ONLY to a single race when in reality, it was owned by a single mud who would actively dispute that other muds shared in his land ownership. In any case, it is our land too.


    They will keep quiet because they are the small minority. PAP is not as stupid as the French, British, Swedish, Belgian or German governments who imported in huge numbers of foreign migrants who mostly do not share in the values of the country and do not identify with their host country beyond using citizenship for international travel, social benefits and getting a job.

    Ah Gong learnt from the racial and religious riots of the 1960s and formulated population demographic plans on it. Western governments are too politically correct to even go near that issue, resulting in the mess that they have today. Why do you think HDB forcibly distributes all the races across Singapore, instead of letting racial groups form their little slums and no-go zones like what we see in Sweden or Paris?

    If there were a lot more muds in Singapore, you can rest assure that they would be a lot more aggressive. It's simple demographics.
     
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    Re: Mud Professor: "To Be Malay Is To Be Muslim!" Christian Malays Disqualified Pleas

    Malays cannot tell the difference between Culture and Religion, hence many wear Arabic style clothing rather than their own Malay traditional dresses.

    Placing their faith in form rather than essence.

    All the while, Arabs look down on Malays.......that they are good enough to clean ISIS toilets.....

    Its time Malays stand up and tell the hidden Arab wannabe within themselves to fark off
     
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    Re: Mud Professor: "To Be Malay Is To Be Muslim!" Christian Malays Disqualified Pleas

    The BE angmoh Raffles was looking for a armed strategic place to setup gunboats military base in this region. Pommies Raffles was a bastard w no goodwill intention to setup Singapore for your Chinaman grandfathers but to attack China and war w Chinese.

    Butcher Dutch bastards had Indonesia, Portuguese had melaka, spanish had Philippine, French had Vietnam and so BE had Calcutta as opium growing region and India. This Asian regions formed blockage sea routes against China gunboats passing through Malacca straights and gun down China gumboats passing through.

    Bastard BE are targeting China for opium trade and if opium trade war broke up Singapore will be BE military gunboats base and opium logistic warehouse for the BE.

    Fuck you John. Dont try to forget this evil history of BE trageted China ans eventually blockage China gunboats in SEA in this narrow turning sea route heading to BE Europe to war in with UK and Europe.

    Singapore was not built by Pommies on goodwill intent to trade w China legally w integrity.

    Fuck you John.

    历史不是钱单的改。

    我是中国人。

     
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    Agree, time for them to step forward and take hold of their destiny.

     
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    Re: Mud Professor: "To Be Malay Is To Be Muslim!" Christian Malays Disqualified Pleas

    Its in the constitution that define malay as anyone who practise malay culture and is of muslim faith. So if you chinese or indian or turk, arab, thai, tibetan pracrise malay culture, and is a muslim, then he is considered a malay in both malaysia and singapore.
    Somebody should tell philippinos this as they keep on ticking malay under race category.
     
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    Re: Mud Professor: "To Be Malay Is To Be Muslim!" Christian Malays Disqualified Pleas

    If a full blooded Malay has to look for a reference to confirm that he is a Malay then he is an idiot. Same goes for any full blooded member of any race.
     
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    Re: Mud Professor: "To Be Malay Is To Be Muslim!" Christian Malays Disqualified Pleas

    The same apply to the 70% voters, they cannot tell the difference between the PAP & Singapore...:rolleyes:
     
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    Re: Mud Professor: "To Be Malay Is To Be Muslim!" Christian Malays Disqualified Pleas

    The Malays I grew up with, can identify themselves as Malay...my neighbour, Malay Language teacher son...proudly tells me, he is bumiputra & they don't need to serve N.S....that is he is a Malay & son of the soil.

    Nowadays...the only soil the Malays have...is they soil in their pants...& have allowed other people to dilute their culture & identity....that is why An Indian can be categorise as a MALAY, as long as that Indian is a Muslim...
     

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