MRT Failure

[TracyTan866]

The N-S Line was the 1st MRT Line in SG and started operations in 1987. As in any system, it was probably built based on some planned operating requirements such as line capacity, usage rate, train frequency, etc. Based on these identified requirements, the line specifications were proposed and built. We can safely assume that when these requirements were put up in the 1970s, a 5million population, carrying capacity and train frequency of 1 train per minute were not part of the requirements.

In recent years, due to influx of migrants, I assume that SMRT were pressured into adding more trains and frequencies to NS Line. Could the power rails, overall system, etc cope with these increased demands in the long term. Did they cause premature wear and tear? Did these premature wear cause yesterday's MRT failure? If they did, whose fault are they?

 

[zhihau]

If they did, whose fault are they?

amidst the cries for the heads to roll, i've heard calls for forgiveness.
a moot point: why do we have such low tolerance for failures?

 

[TracyTan866]

amidst the cries for the heads to roll, i've heard calls for forgiveness.
a moot point: why do we have such low tolerance for failures?

who is intolerant to failures. what's important is that pap and smrt shd not cover up...come clean and learn from such failures and improve the system.

ppl get intolerant only who they sense that the pap gives excuses and brushed aside failures by saying:

1. "it's an honest mistake. let's move on"
2. "it happens once in 50yrs"
3. "no amount of engineering can avoid nature's causes"
4. when pap and smrt are not totally truthful abt the causes of such breakdowns and treating commuters as fools...trust once betrayed breeds hatred, distrust and contempt

 

[zhihau]

who is intolerant to failures.

people who are creative and resilient? what about scientists? :p:p:p

on the other salient point, i thought it was the old man whom wanted things to work with the press of a button, things running smoothly without any hitches.
no doubt we've come to high levels of efficiency comparable to other developed nations, i reckoned that came at the cost of almost every single one of us becoming a mini-LKY

 

[TracyTan866]

people who are creative and resilient? what about scientists? :p:p:p

on the other salient point, i thought it was the old man whom wanted things to work with the press of a button, things running smoothly without any hitches.
no doubt we've come to high levels of efficiency comparable to other developed nations, i reckoned that came at the cost of almost every single one of us becoming a mini-LKY

on the contrary, I think scientists are most tolerant of failure..eg Albert Einstein.

I think Singaporeans are also very tolerant...just look how how they tolerated pap failures

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

The N-S Line was the 1st MRT Line in SG and started operations in 1987. As in any system, it was probably built based on some planned operating requirements such as line capacity, usage rate, train frequency, etc. Based on these identified requirements, the line specifications were proposed and built. We can safely assume that when these requirements were put up in the 1970s, a 5million population, carrying capacity and train frequency of 1 train per minute were not part of the requirements.

In recent years, due to influx of migrants, I assume that SMRT were pressured into adding more trains and frequencies to NS Line. Could the power rails, overall system, etc cope with these increased demands in the long term. Did they cause premature wear and tear? Did these premature wear cause yesterday's MRT failure? If they did, whose fault are they?

Some forummers have suggested the problem is with the physical hardware and flawed engineering. Why did this happen? The reason is simple. You don't want to hire quality engineers or pay for quality raw materials. So you cut corners and hire cheap foreigners to do the engineering. Everything must be cheap! Singaaporean engineers go to hell, foreigners cheaper! Now this is the end product. A MRT system that breaks down a dozen times in two years.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

amidst the cries for the heads to roll, i've heard calls for forgiveness.
a moot point: why do we have such low tolerance for failures?

Can forgive! Sure! But don't forget. The ballot box opens once every 5 years. Cast your vote wisely.

 

[TracyTan866]

Some forummers have suggested the problem is with the physical hardware and flawed engineering. Why did this happen? The reason is simple. You don't want to hire quality engineers or pay for quality raw materials. So you cut corners and hire cheap foreigners to do the engineering. Everything must be cheap! Singaaporean engineers go to hell, foreigners cheaper! Now this is the end product. A MRT system that breaks down a dozen times in two years.

that's possible..and when you outsource too much, you lose core capabilities. this lack will increase to the extent that you lose competence in the long run. penny wise pound foolish

 

[po2wq]

... You don't want to hire quality engineers or pay for quality raw materials. So you cut corners and hire cheap foreigners to do the engineering. Everything must be cheap! Singaaporean engineers go to hell, foreigners cheaper! ...

u tink dat ceo stoopig? ... ofcos, putting moni in2 ur own pocket is much betta dan putting moni in2 other ppl's pocket wat! ...

look @ dat loon burger ... wen he gif himself 8 mth bonus, moni no prob ... wen ask him 2 use moni 4 other mor beneficial tings, he ask u where 2 find moni ...

 

[TracyTan866]

Can forgive! Sure! But don't forget. The ballot box opens once every 5 years. Cast your vote wisely.

good advice and good philosphy to adopt

 

[coolguy]

Now is SMRT. The next time it could be the BTO flats.
I heard from a friend who is an engineer in charge of a big HDB new housing project.
He said one of sg biggest building contractor Tiong Seng is hiring very cheap foreign engineers from china,
where their degree qualification is unverified and may be fake.
But this doesn't matter to the company. What's most important is they are cheap.
I shiver at the thought of this.

 

[TracyTan866]

Now is SMRT. The next time it could be the BTO flats.
I heard from a friend who is an engineer in charge of a big HDB new housing project.
He said one of sg biggest building contractor Tiong Seng is hiring very cheap foreign engineers from china,
where their degree qualification is unverified and may be fake.
But this doesn't matter to the company. What's most important is they are cheap.
I shiver at the thought of this.

cheap and foreign labour comes at a price in the future. quality control can be a problem. this problem will only surface in the future.

 

[halsey02]

Can forgive! Sure! But don't forget. The ballot box opens once every 5 years. Cast your vote wisely.

To err is human, to forgive is divine. yes, we can overlook the mistakes, the system failures & whatever, but to forgive!, that is another matter. What if the SMRT was run by people other than those with connections, those on the other end of the tunnel? Will they be so forgiving.

Heads must roll, forgot the CEO is an actual Tai Chi Exponent, so, 'tai chi' is on the cards & soon the commuters will be made to look like they are one of the contributing causes, by being impatient, demanding & destructive also ( breaking the glass). Why can't U Bloody Stupid (UBS) wait for the UBS to kick in & it will last for 45mins, enough time for a rescue operations. It is YOUR FAULT!.

The same UBS people in 5 years time will forget this already, especially the 60%, for they will have forgiven.

The nagging fear that need to to answered by all of us, who travel by public transport like the train daily, is it up to par; or are we going to wait for a major disaster to happen, where lives are lost; to wake up & do the job??

Are we going to wait for another 5 years?? tomorrow you will taking the trains again, rest assure you are in good hands, please forgive!!

 

[GoldenDragon]

I think Singaporeans are also very tolerant...just look how how they tolerated pap failures

Tolerant or ignorant? I opine many are ignorant. They believe that a S'pore without the PAP is not possible - terrorist attacks, collapse of economy, anarchy etc.

 

[TracyTan866]

Tolerant or ignorant? I opine many are ignorant. They believe that a S'pore without the PAP is not possible - terrorist attacks, collapse of economy, anarchy etc.

Both tolerant and ignorant.

Tolerant - because many older Singaporeans have seen what the first generation pap leaders have done and sacrificed for Singapore. It's the gratitude and goodwill they have for these leaders. But I consider this tolerance misplaced gratitude as this generation of pap leaders is totally unlike theoir predecessors. We need to show gratitude to our past leaders, but we shd not tolerate the incompetence of leaders who demand to be paid market value but cant deliver on performance.

Ignorant - this is the result of many years of pap propaganda. Before the era of internet, Singaporeans read what the pap wants them to know. So, like LeongSam's generation, they compare SG with third world countries like Cambodia , Myanmar and believe that the pap is wonderful and the best. The closest they see is Malaysia and with pap's selective news coverage of MY, confirm that PAP is the indeed the most wonderful govt. For those who have the opportunity to travel to Aus, Japan, NZ, Canada, USA, we see through the pap's propaganda and know that it is not as wonderful as it wants us to believe..

So, yes, you are right. Some Singaporeans are tolerant because they have seen the good performance of earlier PAP leaders. Some are ignorant because of constant PAP propaganda that the pap is wonderful and God's gift to Singapore. In fact some Singaporeans, who claim that they are knowledgeable, are still very ignorant abt the pap. They need to get a reality check

 

[TracyTan866]

This morning, NS Line is down again

 

[palden]

Tolerance for failure? The whole cuntry is based on KPIs. Our jobs are based on KPIs. This the the cunture build up by the elites. So we have our rights to demand heads to roll. Sinkees are ball less

 

[TracyTan866]

Sinkees are ball less

hahahaha..I agree