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Minimum Wage - A Necessity for Capitalism

Goh Meng Seng

Alfrescian (InfP) [Comp]
Generous Asset
Recently, there is a discussion on minimum wage in one of the public forums on income disparity/ gap.<br />
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Well, the headline put up by Singapolitics screamed <a href="http://www.singapolitics.sg/news/minimum-wage-not-solution-wealth-gap">"Minimum Wage is not the solution to wealth gap"</a>. Within this report, it was reported that Minimum Wage dominates the forum while Nicole Seah reported said, "If we were to impose the minimum wage, then what’s going to happen? Are business owners willing to stay put?"<br />
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I find it quite disturbing reading the report because apparently, the headline itself is an oxymoron. How could the panelists or the report try to make that special claim that Minimum wage is not the solution to wealth gap when it is NOT supposed or meant to be used as a tool for that purpose in the first place? For a start, wealth gap itself, is not about income gap. The concept of wealth is totally different from income, though they may be correlated. Well that is not the crux of the matter.<br />
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It seems to me that either the forum or the report is trying to "discredit" or "write off" the issue of minimum wage in such a ingenious way. <br />
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The issue of Minimum Wage is about FAIR WAGES for the lower income group who may have little bargaining power in the labour market that make them more prone to exploitation. It is also called as "Living Wage" in some places. <br />
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The fundamental concept is that if capitalism is left on its own unregulated, it will become "exploitism". This is especially true for the vulnerable group of low wage workers.<br />
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In Singapore's context, the liberal foreign workers policy has in fact aggravated the situation of pure exploitation. The exploitation happens not only to local citizens but also to those transient workers. PAP government cannot just keep both eyes closed on such issues which are becoming potentially a big time bomb for us. <br />
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Such living wage as minimum wage, is to make sure that the lowest percentile of 10% to 20% of our workers would not be exploited and that their honest labour will provide them with an income that could sustain their livelihood in Singapore. <br />
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Throughout history, we know that revolts or revolutions will always start with hungry peasants due to various reasons, with ultra feudalistic exploitation being the main culprit most of the time. Thus, in a capitalist system, in order to prevent instability, a living wage as minimum wage for the lowest wage workers are a necessary regulation. <br />
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Will minimum wage policy chase out foreign investments? Most unlikely. We must always remember that such policy only affect the lowest 10% to 20% of the workers at most. The fact is that most MNCs do not employ workers at this spectrum of the labour force. The recent implementation of minimum wage in Hong Kong did not create any significant impact on business closures at all. In fact, Hong Kong is negotiating an increment of their minimum wage after one year of implementation. <br />
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Will the implementation of minimum wage affect prices? Maybe yes, maybe not. As minimum wage policy will only affect those companies employing low wage workers, not all sectors and prices will be affected. It will also depend on the levels of minimum wage being set as well. If businesses could still earn a decent profit after implementation of the minimum wage, due to market competition, they may not be willing to increase prices. In fact, even if businesses are to increase prices to transfer the higher cost to consumers, it will not be an increase to facilitate full transfer of higher costing.<br />
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Will minimum wage be "the maximum wage" for these workers? The experience in Hong Kong's implementation has shown that many companies, especially restaurants, which are thought to be affected by minimum wage policy, have to employ workers way ABOVE the minimum wage. This is due to the shortage of labour. It basically means that even with minimum wage implemented, market forces will still dictate wages as well and it is possible for low wage workers to earn more than minimum wage. <br />
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Should we implement minimum wage for foreign transient workers as well. Yes. Else, the minimum wage will lose its effectiveness as local Singaporeans will lose their jobs to foreign workers. I have touched on this point in my other postings before. In fact, a minimum wage implemented together with the foreign workers levy applied would tilt the balance towards low wage Singapore workers. <br />
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The implementation of minimum wage will definitely affect local SMEs more than MNCs. However, it would provide the incentives for local companies to increase their labour productivity through various means. <br />
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For example, I find that in the construction sector which is more labour intensive and dependent on transient workers, labour productivity can be increased by more investment in machinery. <br />
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The crux of the matter is about how to set a FAIR WAGE to reflect a Living Wage, instead of whether we should or should not have a minimum wage policy. <br />
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There are many studies and methodologies derived to calculate FAIR WAGE. You can find some examples here at this <a href="http://livingwage.mit.edu/">website</a>. For Hong Kong minimum wage negotiation, academia, various labour unions and employers groupings have gone through extensive discussion with FULL DATA provided by the government. Well, you may not please everyone but as long as consensus is achieved, the policy kicks off with the promise of yearly review. <br />
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I hope that politicians (from both ruling and opposition parties) should not confuse the issue of Minimum Wage with Income gap or disparity, least with "Wealth Gap"! And I definitely hope that the usual "bogey man" scare tactic of "business will close down, MNCs will leave Singapore" should be discarded forever as it does not make any sense for such assertion when Minimum Wage only affects 10% to 20% of low wage workers, not the whole spectrum of the labour force. Such bogey man scare talk is only fit for kindergarten politics. <br />
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Goh Meng Seng
 

TopSage

Alfrescian
Loyal
This Nicole, I like her because she speaks well. However, she needs to be schooled in economics especially the history of economics. In the absence of both independent unions and minimum wage, what happens to workers? Just look around plenty of examples to know what will happen. Now look at what has happened to Singapore.

I don't blame Nicole. In Singapore we are somehow conditioned to think in a certain way.

my blog: http://sgordinary.blogspot.com a blog with stories of ordinary Singaporeans and their struggles.
 

Cruxx

Alfrescian
Loyal
This Nicole, I like her because she speaks well. However, she needs to be schooled in economics especially the history of economics. In the absence of both independent unions and minimum wage, what happens to workers? Just look around plenty of examples to know what will happen. Now look at what has happened to Singapore.

I don't blame Nicole. In Singapore we are somehow conditioned to think in a certain way.

my blog: http://sgordinary.blogspot.com a blog with stories of ordinary Singaporeans and their struggles.

"Brainwashed" is a more apt term to describe Sinkies. :rolleyes:
 

Goh Meng Seng

Alfrescian (InfP) [Comp]
Generous Asset
I would have to agree with you. If Nicole wants to stay relevant to Singapore politics, she will need to be more hardworking not only on the ground but also reading up lots of things about Democracy, Economics, Public Finance and Public Policy studies. On top of that, current affairs not only in Singapore but things happening around the region and the world.

The star effect will only help her that much.

Goh Meng Seng



This Nicole, I like her because she speaks well. However, she needs to be schooled in economics especially the history of economics. In the absence of both independent unions and minimum wage, what happens to workers? Just look around plenty of examples to know what will happen. Now look at what has happened to Singapore.

I don't blame Nicole. In Singapore we are somehow conditioned to think in a certain way.

my blog: http://sgordinary.blogspot.com a blog with stories of ordinary Singaporeans and their struggles.
 
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valiant20

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
Good Analysis by Mr Goh MS. Thumbs up for Post #1.

Nicole is right to voice out her concerns, because.. there's truth in that statement as well. Hard to fault her.

What matters.. is the result/what we want - Simplified statement"Do we want min wage, some MNCs leaving and sg to sorta lose her "competitiveness/business environment rating" but yet sg'reans probably being better off overall? or vice versa?"
 

Cruxx

Alfrescian
Loyal
Good Analysis by Mr Goh MS. Thumbs up for Post #1.

Nicole is right to voice out her concerns, because.. there's truth in that statement as well. Hard to fault her.

What matters.. is the result/what we want - Simplified statement"Do we want min wage, some MNCs leaving and sg to sorta lose her "competitiveness/business environment rating" but yet sg'reans probably being better off overall? or vice versa?"

Can't blame the MNCs for abandoning Sinkieland though. The only real advantage Sinkie workers have is their subservience. Strip Sinkies of their only bargaining chip, what then would convince businesses to stay? The quality of Sinkie workers? :biggrin:
 

valiant20

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
Can't blame the MNCs for abandoning Sinkieland though. The only real advantage Sinkie workers have is their subservience. Strip Sinkies of their only bargaining chip, what then would convince businesses to stay? The quality of Sinkie workers? :biggrin:

Maybe the legalised Geylang Businesses :biggrin::p
 

Cruxx

Alfrescian
Loyal
Let's face it: Singapore isn't Australia or Denmark where they enjoy the highest minimum wages in the world and low unemployment. Their education system and culture produce productive workers and thinkers whereas Sinkieland's only serve to replicate hordes of mindless robots who do nothing at work other than breathing.
 

liongsum

Alfrescian
Loyal
Good Analysis by Mr Goh MS. Thumbs up for Post #1.

Nicole is right to voice out her concerns, because.. there's truth in that statement as well. Hard to fault her.

You are too kind. She has certainly overlooked the fact that minimum wage can be set to obtain the optimum effect. Instead, she jumped into the brainwashed position.
 

coolguy

Alfrescian
Loyal
If you want to talk about minimum wages, you will first have to vote in someone like Chee Soon Juan into parliament.
Else, all talk is wayang and wayang.
you talking minimum wages to a bunch of greedy rich spolit scums. What a joke.
 

Cruxx

Alfrescian
Loyal
If you want to talk about minimum wages, you will first have to vote in someone like Chee Soon Juan into parliament.
Else, all talk is wayang and wayang.
you talking minimum wages to a bunch of greedy rich spolit scums. What a joke.

What about Low Thia Khiang? Vote him in got minimum wage or not? :confused:
 

julyaric720

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Loyal
Looks nice!
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Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
Salaries should be based on market rates and not on legislation.

In NZ, the minimum wage has resulted in the lazy, useless scums of society earning far more than they will ever be worth. I sincerely hope this never happens in Singapore.
 

mojito

Alfrescian
Loyal
Salaries should be based on market rates and not on legislation.

Minimum wage is akin to giving workers a loaded die. Subsidies to corporations is like giving capitalists loaded dice. Both have no place in a fair and equal society, as they interfere in the "laws of nature". Agree?
 

cleareyes

Alfrescian
Loyal
This Nicole, I like her because she speaks well. However, she needs to be schooled in economics especially the history of economics. In the absence of both independent unions and minimum wage, what happens to workers? Just look around plenty of examples to know what will happen. Now look at what has happened to Singapore.

I don't blame Nicole. In Singapore we are somehow conditioned to think in a certain way.

my blog: http://sgordinary.blogspot.com a blog with stories of ordinary Singaporeans and their struggles.

To really have minimum wage, we need independent unions.

Without which, there will be no fight and no case no matter how good the rational is.
 

mojito

Alfrescian
Loyal
To really have minimum wage, we need independent unions.

Without which, there will be no fight and no case no matter how good the rational is.

Hear hear! Or a left-wing party in power with full discretion to manage labour supply. Either would be adequate.
 
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