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Obama believes powerful, structural forces will lead liberal democracies to triumph over their foes—so long as they don’t do stupid things.


How Obama Thinks About Terrorism
The president and his Republican opponents view threats like ISIS in fundamentally different ways.



At the core of Barack Obama’s terrorism speech on Sunday night lay a contradiction. He gave the address to convince an increasingly fearful nation that he takes the terrorist threat seriously. But he doesn’t, at least not in the way his political opponents do.

For George W. Bush, the fight against jihadist terrorism was World War III. In hisspeech to Congress nine days after 9/11, Bush called al-Qaeda “the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th century ... they follow in the path of fascism, Nazism, and totalitarianism.” Many Republicans still see the “war on terror” in these epic terms. After the Paris attacks, Marco Rubio didn’t merely warn that the Islamic State might take over Iraq, Syria, and other parts of the Middle East. He warned that it might take over the United States. America, heargued, is at war with people who “literally want to overthrow our society and replace it with their radical Sunni Islamic view of the future.” In his telling, the United States and “radical Islam” are virtual equals, pitted in a “civilizational conflict” that “either they win or we win.”

Obama thinks that’s absurd. Unlike Rubio, he considers violent jihadism a small, toxic strain within Islamic civilization, not a civilization itself. And unlike Bush, he doesn’t consider it a serious ideological competitor. In the 1930s, when fascism and communism were at their ideological height, many believed they could produce higher living standards for ordinary people than democratic capitalist societies that were prone to devastating cycles of boom and bust. No one believes that about “radical Islam” today. In Obama’s view, I suspect, democratic capitalism’s real ideological adversary is not the “radical Islam” of ISIS. It’s the authoritarian, state-managed capitalism of China.

While Republicans think ISIS is strong and growing stronger, Obama thinks it’s weak and growing weaker. “Terrorists,” he declared on Sunday, now “turn to less complicated acts of violence like the mass shootings that are all too common in our society.” In other words, the Islamic State probably can’t do anything to America that we Americans aren’t doing to ourselves all the time, and now largely take for granted.

Obama also argued that the Islamic State is losing in the Middle East, where the “strategy that we are using now—air strikes, special forces, and working with local forces who are fighting to regain control of their own country” will produce a “sustainable victory.”

The leading GOP presidential candidates reject that. They believe defeating the Islamic State requires some dramatic, if vaguely defined, new military and ideological exertion. Obama, by contrast, thinks America simply needs to not screw up. That means not being “drawn once more” into an effort to “occupy foreign lands,” thus allowing the Islamic State to use “our presence to draw new recruits.”

While Obama doesn’t say it outright, he appears to be subtly referencing Robert Pape’s influential argument that the great driver of suicide terrorism is not jihadist ideology but occupation. Because Obama, unlike Bush and Rubio, believes the Islamic State is ideologically weak, he thinks America’s current strategy will eventually defeat it unless America commits a large occupying force, which would give the jihadists a massive shot in the arm.

The other unforced error America must avoid, according to Obama, is “letting this fight be defined as a war between America and Islam. That, too, is what groups like ISIL want.” Because the GOP candidates see violent jihadism as a powerful, seductive ideology, they think that many American Muslims are at risk of becoming terrorists, and thus that the United States must monitor them more aggressively. Because Obama sees violent jihadism as ideologically weak and unattractive, he thinks that few American Muslims will embrace it unless the United States makes them feel like enemies in their own country—which is exactly what Donald Trump risks doing.

Obama is a kind of Fukuyamian. Like Francis Fukuyama, the author of the famed 1989 essay “The End of History,” he believes that powerful, structural forces will lead liberal democracies to triumph over their foes—so long as these democracies don’t do stupid things like persecuting Muslims at home or invading Muslim lands abroad. His Republican opponents, by contrast, believe that powerful and sinister enemies are overwhelming America, either overseas (the Rubio version) or domestically (the Trump version).

For them, the only thing more terrifying than “radical Islam” is the equanimity with which President Obama meets it. And, to their dismay, that equanimity was very much on display on Sunday night.
 
Obama is clearly drunk. After the Arab Spring and other Arab elections, liberal democracies that first took over the Arab states eventually fell apart and were replaced by jihadist ideology. ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian Revolution, Yemen, Egypt, Palestinian Authority, etc etc. Which one of them is a liberal democracy?
 
Liberal democracies have the enemy within, while ISIS and other totalitarian regimes have safeguards and deterrance against spies and infiltration. Force must be met with force, no need for any fancy liberal quackery.
 
Dream on idiots!

ISIS is only a leading transition or preview of future. ALL morons states chanting Democracy are now bankrupted, dying and have no chance to recover. All the G8 are dying poor. China can not last for another 7~8 year will be as deep in shit as US.

There is nothing sustainable supporting rubbish Democracy or allow people to enjoy security nor quality life.

Global environment is ruined, climate is soon going to deprive all agricultural and food production. Ocean level is rising, and entire world is hanging at 2 degree temperature change to see a chance to survival.

Oil global production will finish in another 50 years or so. It is all doomed. What is there to allow survival, not to even dream of Democracy?

Democracy my Butt.
 
Liberal demon cracies probably ended up in shooting rampages, ODed on drugs, get sexually transmitted dieseases Aids or babies killings!

Or getting shot by crazy Moslems for attending Kiss the Devil concerts.

Choose one! Take your pick.
 
Obama is clearly drunk. After the Arab Spring and other Arab elections, liberal democracies that first took over the Arab states eventually fell apart and were replaced by jihadist ideology. ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian Revolution, Yemen, Egypt, Palestinian Authority, etc etc. Which one of them is a liberal democracy?

If you dunno, don't pretend to know lah. Are there liberal democracies in Middle East? No. The Arab Spring didn't lead to institutionalization of democracy. The military took over in Egypt.
 
Powerful structural forces?like how u fucked up the global economy in 2008?and the asian economy in 1990s?and the middle east since the 1980s?liberal democracies?is that the catchphrase or codename for imposing america's will and agenda unto unwilling countries?anti communisim?is that ur excuse for supporting dictators in indonesia and africa?for supporting class a war criminals in japan and LKY?because these people were willing to kiss america's ass and fight communism and promote "democracy"?u close one eye to the fact they are dictators and war criminals,and mass murderers and slave
 
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