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Serious It's Official! PM Said Russia Did Not Shoot Down m&d Flight MH17! Did The Jews Do It?

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KUALA LUMPUR — Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad said on Thursday (June 20) Russia is being made a scapegoat for the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 and questioned the objectivity of the investigations into the 2014 disaster.

The international investigative team set up to probe the crash said on Wednesday three Russians and one Ukrainian will face murder charges for the deaths of 298 people aboard the flight that was shot down over eastern Ukraine.

"We are very unhappy, because from the very beginning it was a political issue on how to accuse Russia of the wrongdoing," Dr Mahathir told reporters at a government event.

"Even before they examine, they already said Russia. And now they said they have proof. It is very difficult for us to accept that."

MH17 was shot out of the sky on July 17, 2014, over territory held by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine as it was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. Everyone on board was killed.

The Dutch-led international team named the four suspects as Russians Sergey Dubinsky, Oleg Pulatov and Igor Girkin, and Ukrainian Leonid Kharchenko. It said international arrest warrants for the four had been issued.

Dutch Chief Prosecutor Fred Westerbeke said the suspects were believed to be responsible for bringing a Russian-made missile into eastern Ukraine "with the aim to shoot down an airplane".

Russia has said it regretted the crash investigation findings and called the murder charges against Russian suspects groundless.

Dr Mahathir said he did not think the Russians were involved and that the investigative team's findings were based on "hearsay".

"I expect everybody to go for the truth," he said. REUTERS

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It makes more sense for ukraine to shoot the plane and blame it on russians.and highlight the civil war the world got bored with.
 

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It is Ukrainian using outdated old model BUK Soviet Era missiles which Putin already stop using. Putin's BUK is a new version, which has different warhead, and Pattern of Explosion damages proven it was not the new warhead.










https://newspunch.com/finally-proof-that-russia-was-not-involved-in-mh17-crash/


Finally, Proof That Russia Was Not Involved In MH17 Crash
October 14, 2015 Sean Adl-Tabatabai News, World 0

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Manufacturers of the Russian BUK missile have confirmed that Russia was not responsible for shooting down Malaysian airlines flight MH17, as has been suggested recently by western governments and media.

The manufacturers of the weapon, Almaz-Antey, have said that recent tests involving BUK anti-aircraft missiles prove that any explosion caused by such missiles would lave a distinctive “butterfly-shaped’ hole in the shrapnel – something missing from the shrapnel found on flight MH17.
Rt.com reports:

MH17 shot with BUK missile, Ukraine failed to close airspace http://t.co/PV1SiKozKY pic.twitter.com/SgPrE1vvY1
— RT America (@RT_America) October 13, 2015
“The Boeing 777, which carried out the flight, did not have a single hole like this and as a consequence, this absolutely excludes the possibility of a missile with double T-shaped shrapnel being used to strike this aircraft,” Almaz-Antey stressed in a statement on Wednesday, following the final report of the Dutch Safety Board that looked into the causes of the crash.
8 things we learned through Dutch report, BUK arms maker on #MH17 crash in Ukraine http://t.co/U7CFzHvwu5 pic.twitter.com/eGkPnNiLKY — RT (@RT_com) October 13, 2015


The Dutch Safety Board concluded the plane, which was carrying almost 300 people, was hit with a 9N314M-model warhead mounted on the 9M38-series missile. The weapon was fired from a BUK surface-to-air missile system from an area in eastern Ukraine.
Almaz-Antey maintains that in fact a 9N314 warhead was responsible. On Wednesday, they commented on the differences between the two warheads and whose defense forces may have been using the missiles mentioned by the Dutch investigators.
Russia denies Dutch report on #MH17, agrees Ukraine should’ve closed air space – regulator http://t.co/lYWetzfjBI pic.twitter.com/mqF5EN5sMW
— RT (@RT_com) October 14, 2015
The manufacturer said the Russian army has not been using BUK missiles with 9N314 warheads filled with shrapnel different from a double T-shape, as these are “outdated,” while the production of such warheads was halted in 1982, Almaz-Antey stressed. Almaz-Antey also noted that as of 2005, there were 991 missiles armed with 9M38M1 warheads in arms depots in Ukraine.
‘It remains our belief’: US insists rebels downed MH17 with BUK missile, ignores Dutch report http://t.co/yjwuCLSy3a pic.twitter.com/8SGbFtr7wF — RT (@RT_com) October 14, 2015

“We obtained this information through official channels. Back in 2005, the company conducted a pre-contractual engineering study of how long these types of missiles could be used for in Ukraine,” Almaz-Antey said, adding that they had a shelf-life of around 25 years.
“We also have data that 502 missiles of the outdated 9M38 modification were used by Ukraine’s armed forces during the same year,” the company added.
#MH17 downed by outdated BUK missile fired from Kiev-controlled area – system manufacturer http://t.co/WSDbJHa3fz pic.twitter.com/RjlCD4I96q
— RT (@RT_com) October 13, 2015

On October 13 the Almaz-Antey defense company presented the results of two full-scale experiments aimed at recreating the MH17 crash. The company concluded the missile that downed the flight was an old BUK model fired from a Ukrainian government controlled area, contesting the preliminary theory by Dutch investigators.


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MH17 TWO YEAR ANNIVERSARY Chilling animation reveals exactly how Malaysia Airlines holiday jet MH17 was blown out the sky by a BUK missile over Ukraine
Dutch investigators painstakingly assessed evidence from the tragic crash, which killed 298
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  • By DANNY COLLINS
  • 18 Jul 2016, 13:04
  • Updated: 28 Sep 2016, 12:35



  • By DANNY COLLINS
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A HORRIFYING video re-enacts the moment a missile struck flight MH17 – two years since 298 were killed when the Malaysia Airlines jet was shot down.
Air crash investigators believe the Boeing 777 was downed over Ukraine by a surface-to-air rocket.

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Dutch air crash investigators believe a BUK rocket exploded near the plane, sending a shower of deadly pellets into the aircraftCredit: Demotix Images

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They concluded that the missile caused MH17 to break up in mid-air over Ukraine

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Air crash investigators have since re-built the nose of the plane using wreckage from the scene of the crash

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Wreckage of the doomed Malaysia Airlines MH17 is seen near the village of Hrabove in Ukraine's Donetsk region. Nearly 300 were killed following the tragic crashCredit: Getty Images




And the chilling footage reveals the full horror of how the Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur jet was hit.

Describing how they believe a BUK missile to be behind the tragedy, the Dutch investigators’ report states: “No scenario other than a BUK surface-to-air missile can explain this combination of facts.”

Robby Oehlers, a relative of one of the flight’s victims, added: "It was a BUK missile that hit the left upper part of the cockpit.”

Although not directly hit by the missile, MH17’s nose was shattered with pellets from the warhead.
 

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Dutch reports on MH17 crash have mistaken BUK missile models and warhead types–the footnote which puts the boot to BUK
October 17, 2015

By John Helmer, published in Dances With Bears, Oct 16, 2015
MOSCOW–The Dutch Safety Board (DSB) conclusion on the missile detonation which caused the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17 is based on a report of the Dutch National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), based in Amsterdam. The 66-page NLR report can be found as an appendix to the main DSB report. Combined in their release this week, the two Dutch organizations and the two Dutch reports claim that a Russian-made Buk missile of the 9M38 model series, armed with warhead type 9N314M, was fired at MH17, exploding to the left of the aircraft at about two metres from the cockpit. The blast and shrapnel spray from this detonation, the two Dutch reports claim, caused the break-up of the aircraft in the air, and the deaths of all on board.

Dutch Safety Board Chairman Tjibbe Joustra presents final report on MH17 crash on Oct 13. No questions from assembled journalists were allowed
From the evening of the crash day, July 17, 2014, western government officials and media reporters have blamed Russia for manufacturing the missile, ordering it fired, and causing the crash. They are now citing the Dutch reports as proof of the initial assignment of blame. This is despite the DSB’s reluctance to do so in its report; and despite the refusal to date of Australian and Dutch police, coronial investigators and pathologists to release the detailed autopsy evidence they have gathered of the shrapnel which struck the aircraft and the bodies of those on board. According to the DSB report, shrapnel killed the crew in the cockpit, and three pieces of shrapnel, characteristic of warhead type 9N314M , were found in the bodies of the pilot and co-pilot. No crew member or passenger in the aircraft, outside the cockpit, was struck by this shrapnel, according to the DSB.
On these three pieces of metal hangs the case for a Buk missile detonation as the cause of crash; the cause of death; and Russian culpability for the shoot-down. But a search through the DSB records, and through the technical reports of shrapnel impact and blast simulation on which the DSB has based its conclusions, together with interviews with spokesmen for the Dutch investigations, finds that the only evidence for the source of the three metal fragments turns out to be a classified military secret of the Dutch Ministry of Defence.

Dutch authorities interviewed by John Helmer for his article
Questioned today for the source of its evidence for the firing of the 9M38 or 9M38M1 model missile , and for the detonation of the 9N314M warhead, NLR spokesman Jan Venema said the NLR will not disclose how, and from what source, it had obtained the missile and warhead data for its detonation and shrapnel testing, and for the conclusions it has reported. According to the LNR text (page 46), LNR relied on an Almaz-Antei “representative” for the information that “only the 9N314M warhead contains bowtie fragments”.
Almaz-Antei has reported several times in public this week that the 9N314M warhead cannot be operated from the 9M38 missile series. The two cannot be connected electronically, according to the missile manufacturer. In addition, Almaz-Antei has confirmed that in the warhead types containing the distinctive shrapnel — the Russians are calling this “I-beam”, the Dutch “bowties” and “butterflies” — there are approximately 7,800 elements in total. Of this number, not less than a third, or 2,600 fragments, are of the bowtie type, again according to the manufacturer. If the DSB and its consultant analysts are all telling the truth, the identification of just three in the cockpit crew’s bodies, and one other fragment in the cockpit wreckage, is inexplicable. Almaz-Antei says its computer modelling, as well as its physical blast simulation, make this impossible.
NLR cites Almaz-Antei in its report for a description of the characteristics of Buk missile models, warhead types, and shrapnel composition of the warheads. This is NLR’s tabulation of what it claims to have been the combinations (see chart).

BUK missile versions and warhead corresponces
Asked today to explain how the evidence of Almaz-Antei that the missile model and the warhead type cannot be combined operationally and fired together, Venema said NLR is prohibited from answering questions by an agreement with the DSB.
Venema claimed in a telephone conversation that NLR has “the experience and expertise” to analyse the evidence of the MH17 aircraft wreckage. In the past, has NLR had experience of testing Russian-made missiles and aerial munitions, Venema was asked. He refuses to say. “I can’t go into the detail of the study.” According to Venema, NLR has an agreement with DSB that “all questions have to be answered by them.”
A third Dutch report by the Netherlands Organization for Applied Scientific Research (TNO), a semi-government operation, has been published as an appendix to the main DSB dossier. The TNO claims it simulated the missile warhead detonation against a Boeing airframe by computer modelling, according to a programme called AUTODYN version 14.5. TNO reports that “in consultation with the DSB, the modelled warhead is type 9N314.” No explanation for selecting that warhead has been provided by TNO.
Monique De Geus is the spokesman of TNO. She was asked to say whether the simulation reported by TNO was done by three-dimension computer modelling only, or involved physical testing, and what was TNO’s source for the warhead data. De Geus interrupted the question halfway, saying: “we are not allowed to answer any questions about this. You must refer to the DSB.” When asked if the question might be asked in full before TNO answered, De Geus allowed the question to be read out on the telephone: was the simulation computerized or physical? and from what source were the parameters of the simulated warhead obtained? De Geus refused to answer, and hung up her telephone.
In addition to the DSB “consultation”, the TNO reports (page 3) “this study uses classified data as described in the Wet Bescherming Staatsgeheimen [State Secrets Protection Act] . The text of this report has been inspected and released for publication by the Netherlands Ministry of Defence”. A footnote to a description of the warhead at the end of the TNO report cites “Jane’s Defence Land-Based Air Defence 2009-2010, 22nd edition.” In short, the only sources for TNO’s conclusions about a Buk missile warhead blast is a NATO military secret, plus a five-year old commercial publication from London.
The TNO conclusions on the detonation have been cited by the NLR for substantiating its conclusions on the missile which brought MH17 down. NLR’s conclusions are the substantiation which DSB cites for its conclusions for the cause of the crash. So the DSB spokesman, Sara Vernooij, was asked from what source did the DSB obtain the parameters of the missile and warhead which have become the evidence for the DSB’s determination that a Buk missile was the sole cause of the MH17 crash. Vernooij said the DSB will not answer. “If it’s not in report, it is not to be released,” Vernooij said.
 

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Russian did a simulation with real aircraft cockpit and real warheads to show prove that, MH-17 was hit by Ukraine using old Soviet warhead.


The BUK system’s manufacturer Almaz-Antey releases its report on last year’s MH17 crash over eastern Ukraine and is shows a video of simulated BUK missile explosion right next to a pilot's cockpit.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32972406

MH17 crash: 'Old Buk missile used' - Russian firm

  • 2 June 2015


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A Russian defence firm says an old Buk missile it used to manufacture brought down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine on 17 July 2014.
The Almaz-Antey firm said the Buk M1 guided missile was fired from an area south of Zaroshchenske.
The statement is in line with previous Russian claims that Ukrainian forces, not the rebels, fired the missile.
The destruction of MH17 - a Boeing 777 - killed all 298 people on board. Ukraine blamed the pro-Russian rebels.
There is controversy about who controlled the Zaroshchenske area at the time. The Russian military said the town was under Ukrainian military control, whereas Ukrainian officials insisted it was already held by the rebels.
Almaz-Antey said it had analysed shrapnel damage and identified the missile as "9M38M1 of the Buk M1 system".
The firm's CEO, Yan Novikov, said the missile was withdrawn from production in 1999 and "the concern and its companies could not have supplied these missiles to anyone in the 21st Century".
The wreckage fell in an area controlled by pro-Russian rebels. Ukraine and Western investigators suspect that rebels, armed by Russia, fired the missile.
Ukraine has denied Russian claims that Ukrainian forces were equipped with Buk-M1 missiles in that area.
International investigators say a Buk missile launcher was seen being driven through the rebel-held town of Snizhne only four hours before the plane was shot down.
'False images'
Last year Russian officials had alleged that MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile fired from a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet, but that theory was widely discredited.
Then, last month, a leaked report by Russian military analysts, published by independent newspaper Novaya Gazeta, said a Buk-M1 missile had brought down the plane, asserting it had been fired from Zaroshchenske, some 24km (15 miles) west of Snizhne. That theory was put forward by the Russian military as early as 21 July 2014.
Almaz-Antey refused to comment on who controlled the launch site at the time, but insisted that the Buk could not have been fired from the Snizhne area.
Mr Novikov said the firm was willing to stage "a full-scale, real-life experiment attended by independent observers and experts" next to a similar Boeing 777 fuselage, to reproduce the MH17 impact.

On Sunday a forensic report by analysts in the Bellingcat research group said satellite photos presented as evidence by the Russian defence ministry had been falsified.
The images, published by the ministry on 21 July 2014, purported to show Buk missile launchers near Zaroshchenske on the day of the MH17 disaster.
Bellingcat says they were "digitally modified using Adobe Photoshop CS5 software" and the dates were altered.
Most of the MH17 victims were Dutch. The Dutch Safety Board will present its findings by October 2015.

Remains found at MH17 site nine months later
 

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Does Ukraine Have 9M38M1 Missiles?

June 4, 2015

By Nathan Patin





Earlier this week, Russian arms manufacturer Almaz-Antey presented its analysis of the downing of MH17 in an attempt to prove its “non-involvement in the MH17 tragedy.The company concluded that while MH17 was downed by a 9M38M1 missile fired by a Buk M1, that particular type of missile has not been used by Russian forces since 1999. Bellingcat has since shown that, despite the Russian firm’s claims to the contrary, the 9M38M1 missile is still used by Russia, as seen in pictures as recent as March of this year.
Russian arms manufacturers and the Russian MoD don’t hold a monopoly on falsehoods and dubious claims, however. On June 4, Interfax quoted Ihor Smeshko, an advisor to the Ukrainian president and former head of the SBU as saying, “As far as I know, Ukraine sold its last Buk to Georgia.” Presumably, he was referring not to the Buk M1 missile system, but rather the 9M38M1 missile in response to claims that it may have been stolen from a Ukrainian military warehouse seized by rebels. According to the United Nations Register of Conventional Arms, Georgia received 48 Buk missiles from Ukraine in 2007, along with a Buk M1.
Unfortunately for Mr. Smeshko, a number of videos and pictures of Ukrainian Buks have been uploaded to social media since 2007, more than a few of which can be seen armed with 9M38M1 missiles. The 9M38M1 can be easily distinguished from other Buk missiles by its long fins:
@noclador @RobPulseNews @Guderian_Xaba @GorseFires this is a good photo to show dif between 9M38-M1&9M317 buk missile pic.twitter.com/edsoukLvoD
— mark brown (@mark24823687) June 2, 2015

A cellphone video uploaded March 5, 2014, shows a convoy of Buks and other Ukrainian military vehicles parked along the side of a road. Four Buks (numbered 321, 312, 331, and 332, respectively) can be seen with 9M38M1 missiles.

A video uploaded on May 8, 2014 shows a Ukrainian Buk numbered 121 being hauled by a trailer. Despite the video’s title, we geolocated this video not in Kramatorsk, but the nearby city of Krasnoarmiisk.

On July 16, 2014, a day before the downing of MH17, the Ukrainian Army released a video touting its “anti-terrorism operations” in eastern Ukraine. Halfway through the video, a Buk can be seen armed with missiles displaying the long, telltale fins of the 9M38M1.

A photograph of Ukrainian Buk 312 was uploaded to VK by a Ukrainian soldier on August 17, 2014. Again, the 9M38M1 missiles are clearly visible.
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We could go on; this is just a sampling of the open source evidence confirming that Ukraine — like Russia — still employs 9M38M1 missiles on its Buk missile systems. That being said, Mr. Smeshko’s erroneous remarks only serve to distract from the real issue — and the real evidence — of who is responsible for shooting down MH17.
 
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