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In continuing crime surge, minister blames preventive law repeals

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These laws were created by the Brits when people in this region are all barbaric and uneducated and it was an effective law to curbs these ruffians. The Malaysians thought their people have become educated and morally upright so repeal the law. Now all hell break loose.

The day Singapore repeal these laws, will we see the same thing happening?

Zahid and Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar had previously stirred controversy when they indicated that the return of preventive detention laws would help the police carry out their crime-fighting duties more effectively. – AFP picKUALA LUMPUR, Aug 11 — In the face of rising concern over the crime rate, Datuk Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi repeated his assertion today that the police force had lost its bite in the repeal of laws that once allowed them to detain suspected criminals without trial.

With violent crimes on the rise and suspicions linking the sudden spate of shootings to gangland turf wars and firearms smuggling, the Home Minister appeared insistent on the need for preventive detention as a vital aid to assist crime busters.


”I think the ‘teeth’ of the police are less sharp now because their powers used to be strengthened with laws,” Zahid said in an interview published by Utusan Malaysia’s weekend edition Mingguan Malaysia today.

Zahid said that the public now enjoy more freedom than before as the authorities now have to go through the courts when taking preventive measures to fight crime.

”This is what the opposition wants where the society feels that basic human rights and liberties are more important than the issue of public safety and peace,” he said.

Putrajaya had abolished the Emergency Ordinance laws and the Internal Security Act (ISA) 1960, both of which allowed for preventive detention without trial, a feature that has been criticised by its detractors for allegedly infringing on human rights.

Zahid and Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar had previously stirred controversy when they indicated that the return of preventive detention laws would help the police carry out their crime-fighting duties more effectively.

But on July 26, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak gave his assurance that his administration would be “mindful” of human rights when drafting new laws to combat crime.

In the interview, Zahid said the overall crime rate had dropped but index crimes were increasing, attributing the rise of the latter to four factors.

He said the four factors include the release of the 2,600 EO detainees from the Simpang Renggam detention centre, and their hardcore followers and subordinates which the police said hit a figure of 266,000 people.

”The second factor, those that were released from detention have hardcore supporters. According to the Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM), from the 2,600 released, they have at least 10 right-hand men, meaning there are 26,000 with the society.

”These right-hand men also have at least 10 of their own right-hand men, meaning there’s 266,000 people,” Zahid said, roping in these followers as allegedly having contributed to the rise of index crime.

The police force have yet to increase their manpower and upgrade their resources in line with the loss of the EO and Restricted Residence Act, Zahid said.

He also said there needs to be more awareness programmes on crime prevention.

To date, the police have not provided statistics of crime cases that are said to be committed by former EO detainees.

While acknowledging that the opposition’s suggestions for legal reforms were “positive”, Zahid hinted that their approach would leave the government bearing the brunt of criticism despite being stripped of some of their powers to prevent crimes.

”Meaning, how far is our preparations in terms of preventive steps including how to handle the detainees that were released from Simpang Renggam.

“They are now in the ‘market’, the question is what is the opposition’s contribution?” he asked, referring to the former EO detainees.

”They don’t feel responsible when crime happens but instead returns the fault to the government or the authorities.

“They don’t feel guilty if there are murders because the released criminal wants to take revenge on witnesses, the opposition also doesn’t feel the slightest terusik (feeling) if there’s any weaknesses in the implementation of laws because (they) think it is the government’s responsibility,” he said of the opposition when interview by Mingguan Malaysia.

”In this situation, don’t be trapped by the opposition’s tactics, the proposals look good but in the end, the proposal will trap the government,” Zahid said.

When asked to comment on the severe criticism faced by the police force in cases of custodial deaths, Zahid urged the public to be “fair” to the police.

”Those who are arrested are gangsters and criminals but those who are blamed are the police. Be fair to the police.

”Police can carry out investigations with close circuit cameras (CCTV). Police can carry out action according to SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) that is set and police can carry out investigations according to office hours, but is that effective enough?

He said the police’s actions would be based on their past experiences and the situation at hand, urging the public not to always blame the police.

”If the society feels that a certain action by the police is quite slow, they blame the team, but when the criminals acts on the police, the police is also blamed, so I think justice should also be given to the police,” he said.
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This is utter bullshit. Places like Hong Kong, a bastion of freedom and rule of law, in otherwise tyrannical and lawless China does not have preventive detention laws and yet it is one of the safest places in the world for ordinary people to live. There, you can even have mass demonstrations involving hundreds of thousands of people without any single injury or death.

The protest capital of the world (three mass protests every two days) is also one of the safest place in Asia for ordinary citizens. In fact, the largest protest in the city ever was against the implementation of Article 23, a national security law aka ISA. It never got passed and security did not deteriorate. The city is as safe as it has always been.

Preventive detention laws are for incompetent police and even more incompetent sons of dictators. Move with the times or fall from power.
 
Same same 'argument' as vile pappies oft used scare monger scenario as 'vote pap out and sky will collapse'
 
He said the four factors include the release of the 2,600 EO detainees from the Simpang Renggam detention centre, and their hardcore followers and subordinates which the police said hit a figure of 266,000 people.

”The second factor, those that were released from detention have hardcore supporters. According to the Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM), from the 2,600 released, they have at least 10 right-hand men, meaning there are 26,000 with the society.

”These right-hand men also have at least 10 of their own right-hand men, meaning there’s 266,000 people,” Zahid said, roping in these followers as allegedly having contributed to the rise of index crime.

Spoke to a malaysian uncle over the weekend. He blames the gang war on BN for releasing EO detainees before the last election just to garner more votes.
 
One other point in HK there is preventative detention laws..however can only detain the suspect for 48hrs, after that if no chargers are laid, the suspect goes free. Its good in its own aspects as they prevent police abuse unlike in spore where can be detain indefinitely.

This is utter bullshit. Places like Hong Kong, a bastion of freedom and rule of law, in otherwise tyrannical and lawless China does not have preventive detention laws and yet it is one of the safest places in the world for ordinary people to live. There, you can even have mass demonstrations involving hundreds of thousands of people without any single injury or death.

The protest capital of the world (three mass protests every two days) is also one of the safest place in Asia for ordinary citizens. In fact, the largest protest in the city ever was against the implementation of Article 23, a national security law aka ISA. It never got passed and security did not deteriorate. The city is as safe as it has always been.

Preventive detention laws are for incompetent police and even more incompetent sons of dictators. Move with the times or fall from power.
 
Such law should be similar in Malaysia, Hong Kong and Singapore since all were under Bristish rule?

One other point in HK there is preventative detention laws..however can only detain the suspect for 48hrs, after that if no chargers are laid, the suspect goes free. Its good in its own aspects as they prevent police abuse unlike in spore where can be detain indefinitely.
 
But it was the opposition who wanted detention without trial to be repealed and many Malaysian supported it.


Spoke to a malaysian uncle over the weekend. He blames the gang war on BN for releasing EO detainees before the last election just to garner more votes.
 
Corruption of police force and loose border controls are the main cause of rising crime.
 
One other point in HK there is preventative detention laws..however can only detain the suspect for 48hrs, after that if no chargers are laid, the suspect goes free. Its good in its own aspects as they prevent police abuse unlike in spore where can be detain indefinitely.

I am not a lawyer, but it seems to be that you are confusing two different concepts. So I did a quick Google and found this:

Preventive detention is an imprisonment that is putatively justified for non-punitive purposes.

Under preventive detention the government can imprison a person for some time without a criminal charge. It means that if the government feels that a person being at liberty can be a threat to the law and order or the unity and integrity of the nation, it can detain or arrest that person to prevent him from doing this possible harm. Some jurisdictions allow preventive detention only in specific cases, for example only for persons who have already been sentenced for a serious crime (or as part of the sentence for that crime).

A related, but different form of detention is detention of suspects. In contrast to preventive detention, detention of suspects must quickly be followed by a criminal charge (or happen after the charge).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventive_detention

Therefore, using only layman intelligence, detention of suspects is not the same thing as preventive detention. Cheers. :rolleyes:
 
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IC iC,...good point Mr Lawyer. Same 'weapon' different 'environment'. And in singapore, preventative detention or ISA has been used more for political opponents than criminals..but was that how they lock up Mas Selamat? under preventative detention? of course he got away lah,,,,


I am not a lawyer, but it seems to be that you are confusing two different concepts. So I did a quick Google and found this:

Preventive detention is an imprisonment that is putatively justified for non-punitive purposes.

Under preventive detention the government can imprison a person for some time without a criminal charge. It means that if the government feels that a person being at liberty can be a threat to the law and order or the unity and integrity of the nation, it can detain or arrest that person to prevent him from doing this possible harm. Some jurisdictions allow preventive detention only in specific cases, for example only for persons who have already been sentenced for a serious crime (or as part of the sentence for that crime).

A related, but different form of detention is detention of suspects. In contrast to preventive detention, detention of suspects must quickly be followed by a criminal charge (or happen after the charge).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventive_detention

Therefore, using only layman intelligence, detention of suspects is not the same thing as preventive detention. Cheers. :rolleyes:
 
IC iC,...good point Mr Lawyer. Same 'weapon' different 'environment'. And in singapore, preventative detention or ISA has been used more for political opponents than criminals..but was that how they lock up Mas Selamat? under preventative detention? of course he got away lah,,,,

Don't put words in my mouth lah. Google "preventive detention" is all that a reasonably intelligent layman like me did.

About the Mas Selamat incident, for me the most memorable thing about it was that I saw Pinky Loon on a Youtube video defending Wong Kan Seng. The basis of his defence was that in the past ISA detainees were unlikely to escape because they were political detainees and escaping will deal a blow to their credibility and hence political future. Therefore, Whitley Detention Centre's security wasn't really very tight.

What kind of crap defence is that? Mas Selamat is a different category of detainee and therefore the damn Ministar should have known that he should not be detained in Whitley but some other more secure facility. So, the idiot Ministar should be sacked not because he personally left the fucking toilet window open but because in spite of his OUT OF THIS WORLD salary, he don't have the common sense to know that Whitley is not secure enough a facility to hold Mas Selamat. This is notwithstanding that previous ISA detainees were all detained in Whitley. Ministar simply follow precedent without using his farking brain. Damn idiot. No need to resign. Should have been sacked. And the Prime Ministar should be reprimanded by Parliament for thinking that MPs are so dumb as to accept this kind of half past six explanation. Amen.
 
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Majority of the MPs are PAP,,they where will dare to speak out against the boss? Pinky is an idiot and his ministars are clowns,,,so in singapore, we have the clowns running the circus,,like Sia Suay, Wong Cunt Sing, shorty mah,,,the last 2 have sort of been demoted but there are other clowns that have taken over,,the likes of Yakult and Vivian...sigh,,when will this end?

Don't put words in my mouth lah. Google "preventive detention" is all that a reasonably intelligent layman like me did.

About the Mas Selamat incident, for me the most memorable thing about it was that I saw Pinky Loon on a Youtube video defending Wong Kan Seng. The basis of his defence was that in the past ISA detainees were unlikely to escape because they were political detainees and escaping will deal a blow to their credibility and hence political future. Therefore, Whitley Detention Centre's security wasn't really very tight.

What kind of crap defence is that? Mas Selamat is a different category of detainee and therefore the damn Ministar should have known that he should not be detained in Whitley but some other more secure facility. So, the idiot Ministar should be sacked not because he personally left the fucking toilet window open but because in spite of his OUT OF THIS WORLD salary, he don't have the common sense to know that Whitley is not secure enough a facility to hold Mas Selamat. This is notwithstanding that previous ISA detainees were all detained in Whitley. Ministar simply follow precedent without using his farking brain. Damn idiot. No need to resign. Should have been sacked. And the Prime Ministar should be reprimanded by Parliament for thinking that MPs are so dumb as to accept this kind of half past six explanation. Amen.
 
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