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How PAP was outwitted by LKT & Team

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At the start of the BE, look at how LTK handle the SDP jumping in saga. He did it, basically like how Obama handled Romney or McCain – let them self-destruct. LTK stuck to the politically correct script – everyone has the right to stand for elections – who can argue with “the sun rises from the east” type comments, right? Meanwhile, CSJ was detonating landmines publicly, day by day (cannot contact WP, publicly disclose confidential letters, we only good at making speeches in Parliament but not confident in handling Town Council) and then withdrawal. Similarly, it lets the ego of Desmond and KJ grow and over-shadow whatever credence SDA or RP used to have. Suddenly no more rallies, “paid volunteers” saga (for Desmond). AWOL, daily complaints of threats and police reports (for KJ) — let their wayang hog the limelight, let them self-destruct, no need to say a word.

Behind the scene, LTK...http://atans1.wordpress.com/2013/01/24/omg-low-a-great-strategist-sage/
 
LTK has the PQ (political quotient) to make it to be the PM one day. And the good thing is that unlike the FAP Traitors, his heart is with the people and masses.
 
don't count your chicks before the eggs are hatched
many dictators have the welfare of the people in their hearts
but human vulnerability changes with influence and power
the vicious cycle continues unchanged,if not worse,
as long as you are in this burning house
in this samsaric world of greed and human weaknesses
LKY is so far our best leader
one who leads and walks the talk
no nonsense
he does not mince his words
he is a good example of a great leader
do we have any more LKY
 
[h=1]Thoughts of a Cynical Investor [/h]

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[h=2]OMG! Low: a great strategist & sage[/h]<SMALL>In Political governance on 24/01/2013 at 5:48 am</SMALL>
Given that netizens have turned against the WP and Low, I tot I should bring a little balance into the row, by letting JG say a few words.
I’m glad she didn’t compare Low and WP to Sun Tzu because then I’ll be reminded of what Edward Luttwak, a modern-day American strategist, recently wrote of the use of Sun Tzu teachings by the Chinese, “While Han generals in charge of large armies were busy quoting Sun Tzu to each other, relatively small numbers of mounted warriors schooled in the rudely effective strategy and tactics of the steppe outmanoeuvred and defeated their forces.” Lest we forget, the Hsiung Nu, Tibetans, Jurchens, Khitans, Mongols, Manchus,and other nomads defeated Chinese generals steeped in Sun Tzu’s aphorisms.

She writes:

Re : Low’s weird comments

I take the opposite tack of you – instead of Low being a liability in this BE, I think he has acted splendidly. Put it another way : on a scale of 1 to 10, I rank Low 8, LHL 6 and CSJ 4 in terms of strategic manouevers and tactical execution.

First of all, we need to recognise that in the heat of a campaign, if you put every person’s words under a microscope, you’ll find meat that anyone can go after. Dr Koh had made many verbal blunders (“As professionals, we need 2 cars”, “my wife said you want to help but people don’t want your help”), KJ (“on MC today”), LTK and interestingly so far, none from Ah Lian. These are TACTICAL mis-steps – every candidate makes them. The Great Obama said something about “bitter people .. clinging on to their guns”, Michelle Obama (“for the first time, I’m proud of my country”).

These tactical blunders happen, but most are minor and recoverable. Particularly if you look at the context they are uttered. In LTK’s case, I think he meant “all the PM has to say” to mean, “is this the best complain you PM can find about WP so far?”. In any case, I think very very few Punggol residents microscopically analyse a candidate’s every word and go off-tangent with one single badly worded utterance.

The more important battle is strategic, not tactical per se. Here, you got to give LTK credit, where I think he is due. Even PAP MPs I speak to (off the record), applaud LTK as being politically very shrewd.

At the start of the BE, look at how LTK handle the SDP jumping in saga. He did it, basically like how Obama handled Romney or McCain – let them self-destruct. LTK stuck to the politically correct script – everyone has the right to stand for elections – who can argue with “the sun rises from the east” type comments, right? Meanwhile, CSJ was detonating landmines publicly, day by day (cannot contact WP, publicly disclose confidential letters, we only good at making speeches in Parliament but not confident in handling Town Council) and then withdrawal. Similarly, it lets the ego of Desmond and KJ grow and over-shadow whatever credence SDA or RP used to have. Suddenly no more rallies, “paid volunteers” saga (for Desmond). AWOL, daily complaints of threats and police reports (for KJ) — let their wayang hog the limelight, let them self-destruct, no need to say a word.

Behind the scene, LTK selected Ah Lian to take on smooth, professional Dr Koh. Arguably, a better choice, than say GG. Because Ah Lian is so down to earth, so real (right down to her missing 2 front teeth) that the contrast with Dr Koh became greater, especially when Dr Koh came across as stretching the truth ($10 left, only enough for chopsticks, switch from BMW to Toyota car when visit Punggol etc etc). This contrast seems to be hitting a cord. It was reported on-line that reporters tailing both candidates on house visits, observed that residents are warmer towards Ah Lian, posing for photos, sharing their stories, introduce their family, giving a drink. Word got to the PAP too.

LTK also straddled the “local issue” vs “national issue” beautifully. I’d say,to the extent of running circles around the PAP. What do I mean? For Aljunied, LTK bet 100% on national – PAP thot local issue usually matters more but was swept by the tide. So PAP tried to immunize itself right from the start with PUnggol BE – a wave of good news. But LTK attacked first on the local front – Riverdale, how come so many RCs but so little coffeeshops, transport, – ie. what has your PAP MP been doing all these years? So local concerns got paraded to the front, and Dr Koh tried playing the same game – I’m my own man. LTK used these local issues to get Ah Lian to connect to each resident on the ground-game front.

Then in the closing stages of the campaign, LTK swings back to national issues in the public campaign. The more good news got trumpeted, the more it appears that if Aljunied had not fallen, PAP would not have reversed course. If Punggol BE had not happen, some of these good news would not get announced. So it plays into the need for opposition, theme. And LTK only drums up AIM in the last few days of the campaign. Why? I do not think many PUnggol residents know what is AIM, or even really care. But the hard core opposition supporters do care. So this is “red meat” for the base. In other words, focus first on the middle block, handle the risk that the base will defect to Desmond/KJ by giving them some red meat right at the end (and after giving time for Desmond/KL to implode). The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hopefully, this then consolidates both the middle and base votes.

The other advantage of trumpeting national issues at the late stage of the game, is that it baits the “big guns” of PAP to respond. And they usually respond clumsily and turn off voters by the way they over-react.

Whether or not this is enough to win Punggol, I do not know. But I have heard that PAP is sweating. It was said that PAP carefully carved out Punggol SMC in 2011 and that in the prior elections (2006?), that Punggol SMC had 30+% vote swing to PAP. Unexpectedly, this got cut to 10% swing in GE2011. PAP had counted on multi-corner fights, particularly from newly released CSJ and SDP to spoil the party. That didn’t happen. LHL called the elections thinking there’s a good chance they’ll win. As the campaign progressed, and they too feel the “smell of Hougang”, they’re now not so sure.

But as I said, as long as WP increases meaningfully from 41%, and PAP decreases meaningfully from 55% – WP does not need to win, for PAP to lose. A 5% swing away from the PAP (ie. 49% or 50% only) will be a dreaded signal that the electorate is still unhappy with PAP and this will keep them on their toes. A WP win is a jackpot.

And oh, the other thing I like about this BE — it has also put WP under the fire too, to defend its record and hopefully, correct course where necessary. You didn’t hear WP being so defensive in Hougang BE. In other words, this time they got the message – there are some out there who’re unhappy at their low-key approach. Hopefully, this makes them a better party moving forward too. So Desmond is right and wrong – someone needs to keep a check on both PAP and WP. Unfortunately, its not Desmond — its we, the people. Through the messiness of the internet, online chatter, rallies etc. Both PAP and WP are hearing us. That’s good isn’t it ?
 
what out-witting the oppo and pap
this is common sense
people throw all the red herrings everywhere
just ignore them
do your own things
focus on your own goals
politics is a dirty game
if LTK does not see the red herrings
he should not be the leader of the party
yes he is a smart and patient man
but does he has the hallmark of a pm
governing a country plagued with so many problems
not easy....easy to run a party
but not easy to run a country...and he is not getting younger too
 
Don't use "outwit" so quickly. Don't get complacent. Win already then say. PAP is waiting for the guard to be down, then deliver an unfair kick into the balls.
 
Don't use "outwit" so quickly. Don't get complacent. Win already then say. PAP is waiting for the guard to be down, then deliver an unfair kick into the balls.

very wise of you
a seasoned and a veteran
yes, just watch...wait and see
when the lightning strikes
everyone will be shocked
 
don't count your chicks before the eggs are hatched
many dictators have the welfare of the people in their hearts
but human vulnerability changes with influence and power
the vicious cycle continues unchanged,if not worse,
as long as you are in this burning house
in this samsaric world of greed and human weaknesses
LKY is so far our best leader
one who leads and walks the talk
no nonsense
he does not mince his words
he is a good example of a great leader
do we have any more LKY


hi there


1. kopi, no offence.
2. great leaders also have great faults:D
3. i think you may have missed out something.
4. expensive too!
 
CSJ is equivalient to a mad man on a personal vengence out for some past bad deeds that happened to him.

Desmond is equivalent to an Ah Beng salesman who promise you sky and assurance to the product you're to buy but disppears or claimed that those broken promises are 'due to fair wear and tear' of not his doing, when you try to return to him for such promises to be fulfilled.

KJ is equivalent to those who you see at low life coffee shop, with jugs of beer, who gather his similiar kinds of merry men to holler aloud all the things he feels he is able to do infront of his merry men.

No wonder these 3 character makes a colorful personalites.

But if you were to look around, you'll see very similiar types of plenty. Just that these others, are not thinking that politics could snag them that hopeful prized reward!
 
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I agree with the Cynical Investor's observations and comments.

WP under LTK has been making all the right moves so far. I see it chooses the killing ground and then cover it completely with fire power. PAP seems flat footed; wherever they try to attack, WP had the tactical response.

Brilliant tactician and strategist, LTK.
 
hi there


1. kopi, no offence.
2. great leaders also have great faults:D
3. i think you may have missed out something.
4. expensive too!

agree sir
all leaders are not faultless
it's the general good that is the determining factor
but alas, things do change
some change for the worse
some to catastrophe
we are all mortals
 
agree sir
all leaders are not faultless
it's the general good that is the determining factor
but alas, things do change
some change for the worse
some to catastrophe
we are all mortals

But your man knew his fault.
He refuses to change intially and had gotten his flawed ideas more protected by surrounding himself with flawed subjects.
And with a over bearing father, he thought things would never run out of hand and will be well in control forever.
Now, even he want to undo also cannot.
Hole dug too deep.
Cannot get out without finishing off all his own merry men and women.
It is athough his own giant machine of rule has taken a life of it's own.
Controlled by his many flawed subjects.
Now die lah, told you to be a changed man early on.
If not , too late liao.
 
LTK has the PQ (political quotient) to make it to be the PM one day. And the good thing is that unlike the FAP Traitors, his heart is with the people and masses.

Wow LTK has such potential? But then better beware his jealous detractors and assholes around and in here that call him a racist and only supports teochew ppl or something to that effect.
 
But your man knew his fault.
He refuses to change intially and had gotten his flawed ideas more protected by surrounding himself with flawed subjects.
And with a over bearing father, he thought things would never run out of hand and will be well in control forever.
Now, even he want to undo also cannot.
Hole dug too deep.
Cannot get out without finishing off all his own merry men and women.
It is athough his own giant machine of rule has taken a life of it's own.
Controlled by his many flawed subjects.
Now die lah, told you to be a changed man early on.
If not , too late liao.

It's never too late to change
I trust our leaders will change with changing landscape
What we need is a strong and confident government
Capable people and leaders of courage, integrity and honesty
And I believe we can undo the wrongs
Right the faults ,heal the rift ,cure the sickness
I want to believe we will forge ahead with confidence
And make our lives as Singaporeans better and happier
 
Stop sprouting shit like Kopi Sai,,,,u say they get corrupted,,that is wat LKY has done,,all the old guards gone, he became dictator and fuck things up,,,so LKY is the best,,,?? U must be a retard to say that,,,

don't count your chicks before the eggs are hatched
many dictators have the welfare of the people in their hearts
but human vulnerability changes with influence and power
the vicious cycle continues unchanged,if not worse,
as long as you are in this burning house
in this samsaric world of greed and human weaknesses
LKY is so far our best leader
one who leads and walks the talk
no nonsense
he does not mince his words
he is a good example of a great leader
do we have any more LKY
 
It's never too late to change
I trust our leaders will change with changing landscape
What we need is a strong and confident government
Capable people and leaders of courage, integrity and honesty
And I believe we can undo the wrongs
Right the faults ,heal the rift ,cure the sickness
I want to believe we will forge ahead with confidence
And make our lives as Singaporeans better and happier

Wow if you are the type of person as describe above then you are indeed super positive.

As a Sinkie.

But there is a saying in regard to the living.

Do things for far too long a certain way, nothing will change until those who do such things are all dead and gone.

Look at history.

How the landscape can and will change.

The dynasty and all those belongiing or remotely attached to it.

Must be gone and clean away for good.

Before real change are to happen.
 
Stop sprouting shit like Kopi Sai,,,,u say they get corrupted,,that is wat LKY has done,,all the old guards gone, he became dictator and fuck things up,,,so LKY is the best,,,?? U must be a retard to say that,,,

your summary is not bad
calling me a retard does not make you smarter
or a better forummer
convince others with your sound reasonings
instead of calling me names..haha
 
I am just mentioning a fact,,as only retards said wat u said,,u say LKY is the best..he did some good things in the past,,but he became corrupted as there was no one to control him,,so he is corrupt,,than why u say he walk the talk and all that crap? he walking now ah? the problems we face now are due to the shit he has done,,and putting his sorry excuse of a son as PM is not helping either,,,

your summary is not bad
calling me a retard does not make you smarter
or a better forummer
convince others with your sound reasonings
instead of calling me names..haha
 
I am just mentioning a fact,,as only retards said wat u said,,u say LKY is the best..he did some good things in the past,,but he became corrupted as there was no one to control him,,so he is corrupt,,than why u say he walk the talk and all that crap? he walking now ah? the problems we face now are due to the shit he has done,,and putting his sorry excuse of a son as PM is not helping either,,,

fair comment
agree kopi is a retard:)
 
Keep the gloating for Li Lian's concession speech.

At the start of the BE, look at how LTK handle the SDP jumping in saga. He did it, basically like how Obama handled Romney or McCain – let them self-destruct. LTK stuck to the politically correct script – everyone has the right to stand for elections – who can argue with “the sun rises from the east” type comments, right? Meanwhile, CSJ was detonating landmines publicly, day by day (cannot contact WP, publicly disclose confidential letters, we only good at making speeches in Parliament but not confident in handling Town Council) and then withdrawal. Similarly, it lets the ego of Desmond and KJ grow and over-shadow whatever credence SDA or RP used to have. Suddenly no more rallies, “paid volunteers” saga (for Desmond). AWOL, daily complaints of threats and police reports (for KJ) — let their wayang hog the limelight, let them self-destruct, no need to say a word.

Behind the scene, LTK...http://atans1.wordpress.com/2013/01/24/omg-low-a-great-strategist-sage/
 
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