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Harvard Researchers Say Some Social Distancing May Be Needed Into 2022
By
John Tozzi
April 15, 2020, 12:01 AM GMT+8
  • Much is still unknown about the virus and humanity’s response
  • Infections could return after measures lifted, researchers say
Customers wearing protective masks and gloves stand in line outside a grocery store in Austin, Texas, on April 13.

Customers wearing protective masks and gloves stand in line outside a grocery store in Austin, Texas, on April 13.
Photographer: Bronte Wittpenn/Bloomberg

People around the world might need to practice some level of social distancing intermittently through 2022 to stop Covid-19 from surging anew and overwhelming hospital systems, a group of Harvard disease researchers said Tuesday.

Lifting social-distancing measures all at once could risk simply delaying the epidemic’s peak and potentially making it more severe, the scientists warned in an article published Tuesday in the journal Science.


The course of the pandemic will depend on questions not yet answered: Will the virus’s spread change with the seasons? What immunity will people have after they’re infected? And does exposure to coronaviruses that cause mild illnesses confer any protection against the pathogen that causes Covid-19?

Those questions are being weighed by government leaders who have seen economies around the globe come to a standstill because of the social-distancing measures. With millions of people out of work and staying home, pressure is growing to loosen restrictions in the U.S. and elsewhere. Doing so, experts have said, will depend on having in place measures to control the disease, such as widespread testing.

The Harvard researchers used computer models to simulate how the pandemic might play out. One possibility is that strict social distancing followed by intensive public-health detective work could chase down and eradicate the virus. That’s what happened with SARS-CoV-1, which caused a 2003 outbreak. But with confirmed cases of the new pathogen approaching 2 million globally, that outcome is seen as increasingly unlikely, the researchers wrote.

Seasonal Illness

More likely is that the virus is here to stay like influenza, traveling the globe seasonally. In one model, 20 weeks of measures to limit spread were followed by an epidemic peak that was as great as an uncontrolled spread.

“The social distancing was so effective that virtually no population immunity was built,” the researchers said of that scenario. If the virus is more transmissible in colder months, delaying the peak into the autumn could exacerbate the strain on health-care systems, they wrote.

To avoid such outcomes, on-and-off social distancing measures might be needed until 2022, unless hospital capacity is increased, or effective vaccines or treatments are developed.

The authors don’t endorse a particular path forward but said they sought “to identify likely trajectories of the epidemic under alternative approaches.”
 
Our idiots Papigs still say can go jogging without mask, n if one fxxxxx jogger have virus n it will spread like hell, one mth don jog will die meh,ccb always give stipid ideas, bukit timah reserves still many ppl go ,cb stupid ,it just going to take 1 sick person to spread to all.u call c how stupid our Papigs are, think livinh in ivory tower for too long.Nos they r using Opposite party ideas, hope opposition will take over as they will do a better job.
 
If we've been jogging all over the place without a mask during the flu season why do we need to mask up now? What is the difference?
 
Its is trying time... some may try this to test the vulnerability of the virus....

Major testing time for Work At Home for 2 years is about right... see how marriage couple and family coup with infighting in a unit of family 小家庭....

So getting into yr nerves soon.... family infighting among couple.... go fuck yrswlf.... hehehe..

Our idiots Papigs still say can go jogging without mask, n if one fxxxxx jogger have virus n it will spread like hell, one mth don jog will die meh,ccb always give stipid ideas, bukit timah reserves still many ppl go ,cb stupid ,it just going to take 1 sick person to spread to all.u call c how stupid our Papigs are, think livinh in ivory tower for too long.Nos they r using Opposite party ideas, hope opposition will take over as they will do a better job.
 
Harvard Researchers Say Some Social Distancing May Be Needed Into 2022
By
John Tozzi
April 15, 2020, 12:01 AM GMT+8
  • Much is still unknown about the virus and humanity’s response
  • Infections could return after measures lifted, researchers say
Customers wearing protective masks and gloves stand in line outside a grocery store in Austin, Texas, on April 13.

Customers wearing protective masks and gloves stand in line outside a grocery store in Austin, Texas, on April 13.
Photographer: Bronte Wittpenn/Bloomberg

People around the world might need to practice some level of social distancing intermittently through 2022 to stop Covid-19 from surging anew and overwhelming hospital systems, a group of Harvard disease researchers said Tuesday.

Lifting social-distancing measures all at once could risk simply delaying the epidemic’s peak and potentially making it more severe, the scientists warned in an article published Tuesday in the journal Science.


The course of the pandemic will depend on questions not yet answered: Will the virus’s spread change with the seasons? What immunity will people have after they’re infected? And does exposure to coronaviruses that cause mild illnesses confer any protection against the pathogen that causes Covid-19?

Those questions are being weighed by government leaders who have seen economies around the globe come to a standstill because of the social-distancing measures. With millions of people out of work and staying home, pressure is growing to loosen restrictions in the U.S. and elsewhere. Doing so, experts have said, will depend on having in place measures to control the disease, such as widespread testing.

The Harvard researchers used computer models to simulate how the pandemic might play out. One possibility is that strict social distancing followed by intensive public-health detective work could chase down and eradicate the virus. That’s what happened with SARS-CoV-1, which caused a 2003 outbreak. But with confirmed cases of the new pathogen approaching 2 million globally, that outcome is seen as increasingly unlikely, the researchers wrote.

Seasonal Illness

More likely is that the virus is here to stay like influenza, traveling the globe seasonally. In one model, 20 weeks of measures to limit spread were followed by an epidemic peak that was as great as an uncontrolled spread.

“The social distancing was so effective that virtually no population immunity was built,” the researchers said of that scenario. If the virus is more transmissible in colder months, delaying the peak into the autumn could exacerbate the strain on health-care systems, they wrote.

To avoid such outcomes, on-and-off social distancing measures might be needed until 2022, unless hospital capacity is increased, or effective vaccines or treatments are developed.

The authors don’t endorse a particular path forward but said they sought “to identify likely trajectories of the epidemic under alternative approaches.”
I like this paragraph.


“The social distancing was so effective that virtually no population immunity was built,” the researchers said of that scenario. If the virus is more transmissible in colder months, delaying the peak into the autumn could exacerbate the strain on health-care systems, they wrote.

Which means herd immunity is still the best and the deaths associated with the virus is still the lesser of 2 evils as compared to not letting the population develop herd immunity. The population will be in greater danger in the future. And what will they do next? Confine everyone to the toilet?
 
If we've been jogging all over the place without a mask during the flu season why do we need to mask up now? What is the difference?
Well for starters, the common flu is not as contagious. There is no COVID19 shot to prevent the virus from getting into you. Secondly, the whole point in wearing a mask is not that you are afraid of catching COVID19, it is also about not spreading it from you to others. Now you can post all kinds of "facts" and reasons from people crawling out of the woodwork, suddenly becoming experts in virology, but the fact is what it is. Just wear a mask when out in public. 3 quarters of the people in the world can't be all that wrong.
 
Well for starters, the common flu is not as contagious. There is no COVID19 shot to prevent the virus from getting into you. Secondly, the whole point in wearing a mask is not that you are afraid of catching COVID19, it is also about not spreading it from you to others. Now you can post all kinds of "facts" and reasons from people crawling out of the woodwork, suddenly becoming experts in virology, but the fact is what it is. Just wear a mask when out in public. 3 quarters of the people in the world can't be all that wrong.

I have never proclaimed to be an expert. All I've done is look at data and reports from CDC and other so called reputable sources.

For example this https://cnsnews.com/article/interna...ate-45-million-flu-cases-61000-flu-associated

45 MILLION cases and 61,000 flu deaths in the USA alone tells me that flu is more infectious than corona and has killed more people in the USA than Covid-19 has so far.

Could Covid-19 catch up? Possibly but going by current trends it will take some time if at all as the infection is already peaking in many countries.
 


the iseralis have a very different perceptions ..watch the last part...they reckon when infection reaches about 70%..things will revert to ok
 
silly. if it has to sextend to 2022, may as well let herd immunity rule.
 
Well for starters, the common flu is not as contagious. There is no COVID19 shot to prevent the virus from getting into you. Secondly, the whole point in wearing a mask is not that you are afraid of catching COVID19, it is also about not spreading it from you to others. Now you can post all kinds of "facts" and reasons from people crawling out of the woodwork, suddenly becoming experts in virology, but the fact is what it is. Just wear a mask when out in public. 3 quarters of the people in the world can't be all that wrong.


Here's another report https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11873058

It tells me that flu kills more than 500 every year in this tiny country of 5 million people.

Covid-19 has killed 9 so far.

So if a betting man wanted to calculate the odds of dying from flu or corona surely he'd be more worried about the flu? I most certainly am. I almost died from the flu a decade or so ago. Lung function was reduced by 50% and took 6 months to recover my fitness.
 


the iseralis have a very different perceptions ..watch the last part...they reckon when infection reaches about 70%..things will revert to ok


That is why I am hoping that covid is extremely infectious so this herd immunity level can be achieved as quickly as possible.
 
Seasonal flu death estimate increases worldwide


Press Release
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According to new estimates published today, between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year, higher than a previous estimate of 250,000 to 500,000 and based on a robust, multinational survey.
The new estimate, from a collaborative study by CDC and global health partners, appears today in The Lancet. The estimate excludes deaths during pandemics.
“These findings remind us of the seriousness of flu and that flu prevention should really be a global priority,” says Joe Bresee, M.D., associate director for global health in CDC’s Influenza Division and a study co-author.
The new estimates use more recent data, taken from a larger and more diverse group of countries than previous estimates. Forty-seven countries contributed to this effort. Researchers calculated annual seasonal influenza-associated respiratory deaths for 33 of those countries (57 percent of the world’s population) that had death records and seasonal influenza surveillance information for a minimum of four years between 1999 and 2015. Statistical modeling with those results was used to generate an estimate of the number of flu-associated respiratory deaths for 185 countries across the world. Data from the other 14 countries were used to validate the estimates of seasonal influenza-associated respiratory death from the statistical models.
 
Boss, no need to work overtime frothing in the mouth and running a one-man crusade against PPE in these times. Yes, yes... we all know the dangers of flu and a whole lot of other known diseases or things that can kill us. We get it. No need to prove that you are the smart one in a world of idiots (in your mind). The majority of us want to stay safe and we don't want COVID19 from asymptomatic spreaders. So please, wear masks because its the only way to go. Even smart asses like small-cocked CCS and lan Jiao loong are forced to eat crow and back-track on masks.

Bringing out tons and tons of researched shit on flu and other useless data does nothing for the majority of us who just want to stay safe for ourselves and our families. Either lead, follow or get out of the way. Just saying...
 
Boss, no need to work overtime frothing in the mouth and running a one-man crusade against PPE in these times. Yes, yes... we all know the dangers of flu and a whole lot of other known diseases or things that can kill us. We get it. No need to prove that you are the smart one in a world of idiots (in your mind). The majority of us want to stay safe and we don't want COVID19 from asymptomatic spreaders. So please, wear masks because its the only way to go. Even smart asses like small-cocked CCS and lan Jiao loong are forced to eat crow and back-track on masks.

Bringing out tons and tons of researched shit on flu and other useless data does nothing for the majority of us who just want to stay safe for ourselves and our families. Either lead, follow or get out of the way. Just saying...

I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I claim no extra knowledge other than what I find on the net plus a bit of my own life experiences.

All I'm trying to do is put things in perspective and apply some logic to the whole situation. I'm stripping away all the hype that the media is putting out to gain viewership and just looking at the situation in matter-of-fact manner.

It does not make sense to take more precautions for a low risk infection than one would for an infection that poses more of a risk.

I'm not stopping anyone from wearing a mask. All I'm doing is pointing out that it will make things a lot worse if the masks are not handled properly and 95% of the time they aren't.

Those who don't believe that masks and don't want to put one on in public can simply start jogging when they see any enforcement officer because you don't have to wear a mask when exercising.
 
It tells me that flu kills more than 500 every year in this tiny country of 5 million people.

Covid-19 has killed 9 so far.
Thats because NZ did not suffer a huge invasion of travellers with covid before it closed the border.

Any way, the new media under Google and Facebook have decided to promote the dangers and potential lethal covid virus for the " dark state". The same dark state that wanted the economy to shut down to reduce effect on climate change.

There is no need to travel if you can see picturesque scenes on Google. Or meetings online. And news via Facebook.
 
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Harvard Researchers Say Some Social Distancing May Be Needed Into 2022
By
John Tozzi
April 15, 2020, 12:01 AM GMT+8
  • Much is still unknown about the virus and humanity’s response
  • Infections could return after measures lifted, researchers say
Customers wearing protective masks and gloves stand in line outside a grocery store in Austin, Texas, on April 13.

Customers wearing protective masks and gloves stand in line outside a grocery store in Austin, Texas, on April 13.
Photographer: Bronte Wittpenn/Bloomberg

People around the world might need to practice some level of social distancing intermittently through 2022 to stop Covid-19 from surging anew and overwhelming hospital systems, a group of Harvard disease researchers said Tuesday.

Lifting social-distancing measures all at once could risk simply delaying the epidemic’s peak and potentially making it more severe, the scientists warned in an article published Tuesday in the journal Science.


The course of the pandemic will depend on questions not yet answered: Will the virus’s spread change with the seasons? What immunity will people have after they’re infected? And does exposure to coronaviruses that cause mild illnesses confer any protection against the pathogen that causes Covid-19?

Those questions are being weighed by government leaders who have seen economies around the globe come to a standstill because of the social-distancing measures. With millions of people out of work and staying home, pressure is growing to loosen restrictions in the U.S. and elsewhere. Doing so, experts have said, will depend on having in place measures to control the disease, such as widespread testing.

The Harvard researchers used computer models to simulate how the pandemic might play out. One possibility is that strict social distancing followed by intensive public-health detective work could chase down and eradicate the virus. That’s what happened with SARS-CoV-1, which caused a 2003 outbreak. But with confirmed cases of the new pathogen approaching 2 million globally, that outcome is seen as increasingly unlikely, the researchers wrote.

Seasonal Illness

More likely is that the virus is here to stay like influenza, traveling the globe seasonally. In one model, 20 weeks of measures to limit spread were followed by an epidemic peak that was as great as an uncontrolled spread.

“The social distancing was so effective that virtually no population immunity was built,” the researchers said of that scenario. If the virus is more transmissible in colder months, delaying the peak into the autumn could exacerbate the strain on health-care systems, they wrote.

To avoid such outcomes, on-and-off social distancing measures might be needed until 2022, unless hospital capacity is increased, or effective vaccines or treatments are developed.

The authors don’t endorse a particular path forward but said they sought “to identify likely trajectories of the epidemic under alternative approaches.”

China and big pharma will have a vaccine by then la.
 
Thats because NZ did not suffer a huge invasion of travellers with covid before it closed the border.

Any way, the new media under Google and Facebook have decided to promote the dangers and potential lethal covid virus for the " dark state". The same dark state that wanted the economy to shut down to reduce effect on climate change.

There is no need to travel if you can see picturesque scenes on Google. Or meetings online. And news via Facebook.

Yes it did. NZ was one of the last to close its borders and before that they came up with this ridiculous self isolation requirement that was absolutely ignored. There were tourists flocking all over the place.
 
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