First High Speed Rail in an ASEAN Country Ready Next Year

[Froggy]

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tr...=1&pub_date=20221004123000&seq_num=5&si=44594

Indonesia presents China-made high-speed train cars
Railway to connect Jakarta with Bandung; operations to start in June 2023

A total of 12 sets of eight-car trains, approximately 200 meters in length each, will be delivered in the future.
KOYA JIBIKI, Nikkei staff writerOctober 3, 2022 21:48 JST

JAKARTA -- Indonesia has presented in public the cars of the country's first high-speed train connecting the capital Jakarta with Bandung, a major city in West Java, with commercial operations expected to start in June 2023.

The cars, presented to the media on Saturday, were manufactured by a company under China's state-owned train manufacturer CRRC. The covers on the cars were not removed throughout the event.

The cars arrived at the port of Tanjung Priok in Jakarta in early September. A total of 12 sets of eight-car trains, approximately 200 meters in length each, will be delivered in the future, including those for inspection

According to Kereta Cepat Indonesia China (KCIC), an Indonesia-China joint venture for the high-speed rail project, the cars consist of VIP seats, first- and second-class seats, and a dining car.

With a maximum speed of 350 kilometers per hour, the new railway connects Jakarta and Bandung, a distance of about 142 km apart, in as little as 35 minutes, compared to 3.5 hours by the existing railway.

There is a plan for Indonesian President Joko Widodo and Chinese President Xi Jinping to take a ride together for a test operation of the new railway in November. Xi is scheduled to attend the Group of Twenty (G-20) Summit in Bali the same month, which Indonesia will chair.

Initially, Japan was considered a strong contender to win the order for Indonesia's high-speed railway project. However, Widodo adopted the Chinese proposal on condition that China would not require Indonesia to bear any financial burden.

Nevertheless, the completion of the project has been pushed back from the original target of 2018 due to delays in land expropriation and the COVID-19 pandemic. Construction is approximately 90% complete, and the railway is expected to open in June 2023.

The total construction cost exceeds the initial estimate of $5.5 billion. In October 2021, the Indonesian government reversed its previous plan and decided to invest government funds. The parliament is scrutinizing the amount of money needed.

 

[Loofydralb]

Let's see how fast the bogeys will crack and cause a major incident with high fatality rates.

 

[syed putra]

I thought it was Laos to kunming?

 

[Froggy]

I thought it was Laos to kunming?

Omg you are absolutely correct. My bad. I sincerely apologise for my oversight.

 

[realDonaldTrump]

There is a plan for Indonesian President Joko Widodo and Chinese President Xi Jinping to take a ride together for a test operation of the new railway in November. Xi is scheduled to attend the Group of Twenty (G-20) Summit in Bali the same month, which Indonesia will chair.

Jowoki very smart, buy insurance.

45 Indonesian VIPs and flight personnel killed in this test-drive in 2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Mount_Salak_Sukhoi_Superjet_crash

 

[winners]

I think the Tiong's HSR has already come a long way. However, the Indonesians will be at their mercy for future maintenance and rolling stocks availability. Surely, those parts aren't going to be at reasonable prices.

The Koreans are very good at such despicable tactics also. When my tenant's SAMSUNG washing machine's water pump got spoiled, I contacted SAMSUNG but they won't sell the part to walk-in customers. They insisted that it must be repaired on-site by their own technician. WFT? In the end, they bought a new a SHARP washing machine instead.

I had also saw on YouTube that many of the SAMSUNG TVs have been deliberately designed such that you will need a special tool (from SAMSUNG) to remove its back cover. Otherwise, you'll definitely break its back cover when trying to pry it out and you'll end up paying a lot more for a new back cover. WTF?

 

[syed putra]

Jowoki very smart, buy insurance.

45 Indonesian VIPs and flight personnel killed in this test-drive in 2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Mount_Salak_Sukhoi_Superjet_crash

Jokowi did not spend a cent on this high speed rail unlike Laos.
Its 100% financed by china and operators are china rail with a local partner.

 

[ChinaCommunistSG]

I thought it was Laos to kunming?

Laos is now a child prostitution hub for China PRC. Many Chinese PRC actually go to Laos to look for young boys because Chinese PRC believe that young boys give them vitality

 

[syed putra]

Laos is now a child prostitution hub for China PRC. Many Chinese PRC actually go to Laos to look for young boys because Chinese PRC believe that young boys give them vitality

Chinese should just take panadol if they feel a bit under the weather,

 

[syed putra]

I think the Tiong's HSR has already come a long way. However, the Indonesians will be at their mercy for future maintenance and rolling stocks availability. Surely, those parts aren't going to be at reasonable prices.

The Koreans are very good at such despicable tactics also. When my tenant's SAMSUNG washing machine's water pump got spoiled, I contacted SAMSUNG but they won't sell the part to walk-in customers. They insisted that it must be repaired on-site by their own technician. WFT? In the end, they bought a new a SHARP washing machine instead.

I had also saw on YouTube that many of the SAMSUNG TVs have been deliberately designed such that you will need a special tool (from SAMSUNG) to remove its back cover. Otherwise, you'll definitely break its back cover when trying to pry it out and you'll end up paying a lot more for a new back cover. WTF?

In Indonesia's case, the operator is china rail jv. So does not concern the indo gomen at all. Zero. Unlike Laos.
But i think china rail saw the potential on a island with 200 mil population people. So they decided to invest.
Laos on the other hand, has low population.

 

[Beria]

Laos is now a child prostitution hub for China PRC. Many Chinese PRC actually go to Laos to look for young boys because Chinese PRC believe that young boys give them vitality

Sweet tight brown bussy for my little yellow chink cock mmmm hnnnng

 

[Beria]

55:00 Chink men book corpse of dead woman to fuck because that's the best way to replenish their Yin. Why are Indochinese Chinks so fucked up?

 

[winners]

In Indonesia's case, the operator is china rail jv. So does not concern the indo gomen at all. Zero. Unlike Laos.
But i think china rail saw the potential on a island with 200 mil population people. So they decided to invest.
Laos on the other hand, has low population.

If it's a joint-venture with an Indonesian firm or firms, the operating costs will definitely be shared proportionally. Although I didn't bother to look up into its details, but I doubt it will be 100% under the build, charge and operate at Tiong's discretion, especially on Indonesian soil. Furthermore, Bandung is just a small town with a small population. The revenue from operating such a rail network would not be significant, unless it will be similarly extended to Surabaya in the future. I also doubt any country will allow 100% foreign control of such a national project. That's also why Sri Lanka is now in deep shit because they cannot pay for their joint-venture projects with the Tiongs and leading to the latter cannibalizing to their advantage.

 

[laksaboy]

You buy my Sinovac, I build your HSR. Win-win.

 

[realDonaldTrump]

Jokowi did not spend a cent on this high speed rail unlike Laos.
Its 100% financed by china and operators are china rail with a local partner.

During the 2012 Sukhoi Superjet crash, the Indonesians were about the place orders from the Russian. Many went on board for the test-drive and all got killed.

Jokowi is smart, he invited XJP on board the trains built by Chinese to test-drive them (before June 2023 launch), sure safer.

 

[syed putra]

If it's a joint-venture with an Indonesian firm or firms, the operating costs will definitely be shared proportionally. Although I didn't bother to look up into its details, but I doubt it will be 100% under the build, charge and operate at Tiong's discretion, especially on Indonesian soil. Furthermore, Bandung is just a small town with a small population. The revenue from operating such a rail network would not be significant, unless it will be similarly extended to Surabaya in the future. I also doubt any country will allow 100% foreign control of such a national project. That's also why Sri Lanka is now in deep shit because they cannot pay for their joint-venture projects with the Tiongs and leading to the latter cannibalizing to their advantage.

The whole idea was to extend to surabaya.
Nut jokowi jas other plans.
He is talkingnp to japanese for a northern rsil link between jakarta to surabaya too. Via semarang.
So if deal goes through, java will have two rail lines linking jakarta to durabaya. One north and another south via bandung.
The northern route suppose to use slower trains.

 

[winners]

The whole idea was to extend to surabaya.
Nut jokowi jas other plans.
He is talkingnp to japanese for a northern rsil link between jakarta to surabaya too. Via semarang.
So if deal goes through, java will have two rail lines linking jakarta to durabaya. One north and another south via bandung.
The northern route suppose to use slower trains.

The deal with Japan had already been called off because both sides could not agree on the finalized route as well as the intermediate stations.

 

[mudhatter]

The whole idea was to extend to surabaya.
Nut jokowi jas other plans.
He is talkingnp to japanese for a northern rsil link between jakarta to surabaya too. Via semarang.
So if deal goes through, java will have two rail lines linking jakarta to durabaya. One north and another south via bandung.
The northern route suppose to use slower trains.

Why is everything centres around Java? Why not Sumatra or Kalimantan?

Indon population can double or triple if Kalimantan and Sumatra is properly utilized and pressure is relieved on Java. Land reclamation can help Indon connect various large islands and help them increase population, increase cities, agriculture, modern industry, education, healthcare and what not.

But to be realistic, I don't see Indon pulling any of it off.

Let's see first if their HSR is profitable, accident-free/safe and sustainable.