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Evidence of excessive (overboard) legislation in Singapore.

Discussion in 'The Political / Serious Zone [no rep deductions]' started by bic_cherry, May 12, 2017.

  1. bic_cherry

    bic_cherry Alfrescian Old Timer

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    Evidence of excessive (overboard) legislation in Singapore.

    Why must parliament create legislation to say "Under the Intestate Succession Act, an illegitimate child ranks behind the spouse and legitimate children when it comes to inheritance." ???!!! http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/unwed-mum-adopts-own-biological-daughter
    Jiak pah ka eng (eat too full, nothing to do) is it?
    Like that might as well discriminate between adopted kids or otherwise, male vs female offspring, kids of 1st wife vs 2nd or even if religion of parent vs child were related/different or if the spouse were Chinese, Malay or Indian???!!!
    As if parliament knew based on child's birth status the relationship between parent and child. Possibly, many moonlighting parliamentarians are senior counsel/ law firm owners etc and they just create UNNECESSARILY complex laws so as to unnecessarily prolong court cases and line their own pockets (just like the superfluous issue of 'agent' in the CHC(/Kong Hee) case to supersede any significant weightage on amounts of $ misused or the inherent brainwashing powers of religious leaders, until now the court of appeal comprising 5 judges of appeal need to convene to interpret the UNNECESSARILY complex and confusing legislation).

    God never made any child less valuable to the parent whether born in or out of wedlock: PAP in penalizing innocent children just goes to show how crass and low our politicians are willing to go.


     
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    scroobal Alfrescian Old Timer

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    Seems odd and counterintuitive - a biological mother adopting her own biological kid because the kid is illegitimate. I get the part of priority ranking in terms of inheritance but what I dont get is why the illegitimate child is not eligble for state benefits like all other Singaporean kids.
     
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    bic_cherry Alfrescian Old Timer

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    PAP claims that Singapore is a democracy is as true as DPRK's Kim dynastie's claims of having democratically earned authority.
    On this account, Singapore is very much a caste based society.
     
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    strange. I wonder where this discrimination of "illegitimate" children came from? Was it from British Law?

    Certainly would be cannon fodder for human rights activists.
     
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    scroobal Alfrescian Old Timer

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    I was caught by surprise by this. I wonder if it started with the family nucleus eligibility for HDB and if this went on to grants across the board. Which is shocking. I don't think such a discriminatory practice even exist in the 3rd world. The usual challenges for illegitimate children is inheritance, right to certain privileges such as titles etc but not for grants for general citizens. Adopting your own biological child is ludicrous just to be treated as Singaporean child.



     
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    nayr69sg Alfrescian Old Timer

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    If I am not wrong, being born illegitimate ie one of the parents refuses to say he/she is the parent (although I wonder how the woman can say it is not her child if she gives birth to the child, so it only applies to fathers?) amounts to the child being an orphan for legal status?

    The women's rights group should say something about this as obviously it puts a lot of stress and difficulties on only the mother.

    Why can't the mother be the legal single parent of the child by default?

    It is not like the child was found abandoned in some place and then police tracked down the mother. That I may be able to understand the "illegitimate" status.

    In Canada there are many children born out of wedlock. Many couples are considered common law partners but not married. Children born are still considered full citizens with full equal rights.

    Absolutely appalling from Singapore!
     
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    scroobal Alfrescian Old Timer

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    I share your sentiments. I may spend some time to see what is going on.

     
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    Looks like someone from AWARE wrote something to the MSM about this.
     
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    Narong Wongwan Alfrescian (Inf)

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    That's why Islam is so great.
    Because can have 4 wives. No such headaches.
    Polygamy should be legalised. Allahu Akbar!
     
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    Looks like quite a lot of people in Govt and society were caught by surprise by this. They too had no idea this was happening. Yes, Aware and TOC have made comments with TOC providing more details.

    This is what I have gathered.

    1. The govt had conveniently used the inheritance legislation inherited from the British to conveniently predicate policies in relation to grants for children.

    2. In 2016, due to complaints from social workers, the govt made some changes for CDA grants to be given to illegitimate children but not all other other grants.

    3. Even if the father's name appears in the BC and he acknowledged the kid as his, but if there is no marriage, then it is not recognised as a legitimate kid.

    4. Fathers to avoid bigamy charges and to keep the peace with the first family either draw a will to provide for their illegitimate offsprings or legally adopt the kid without marrying the mother. Some fathers have not only adopted the kids but also convinced the 1st wife to be party to the adoption. I think we have one case in this forum.

    5. Some lawyers who are familiar with point 4 then recommended the same approach for single mums to convert their kids from illegitimate status to legitimate status to be eligible for all benefits which adoption is the not the intended purposes but kudos to them to go down this road with a govt like this.

    6. Imagine there are illegitimate males who must have served NS but did not have the right to these grants.

    7. There have been court cases in relation to illegitimate children making claims on their biological parents estates without success. It should be noted that the Courts have indicated in their judgement that their hands are tight as it falls within the powers of parliament. Interestingly the judges have also cited the UK where such archaic laws have been changed and one even mentions that we are signatory to some UN convention on protecting children which we ratified but did not follow in this case.

    8. Truly a sad and desperate govt who pays top dollar to its leaders but not a penny for its own children born out of wedlock.

    ps. I am told the Govt is now under pressure and do expect to see changes. Does not even require a change in legislation, just policy on grants.

     
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    The journalist who wrote this article deserves some kudos. Is it Koh Xing Hui?
     
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    bic_cherry Alfrescian Old Timer

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    The ranking of illegitimate children (born out of wedlock) BELOW that of legitimate (in wedlock) children wrt inheritance law is probably BAD law and should be erased/ ignored.


    CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE
    (Original Enactment: S 1/63)
    [9th August 1965]
    PART IV: FUNDAMENTAL LIBERTIES
    Equal protection
    12.—(1) All persons are equal before the law and entitled to the equal protection of the law.
    (2) Except as expressly authorised by this Constitution, there shall be no discrimination against citizens of Singapore on the ground only of religion, race, descent or place of birth in any law or in the appointment to any office or employment under a public authority or in the administration of any law relating to the acquisition, holding or disposition of property or the establishing or carrying on of any trade, business, profession, vocation or employment

    http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/sear...7728e" Status:inforce Depth:0;rec=0#pr12-he-.

    It is no fault of the child that he is born out of wedlock. Intestate inheritance laws should put all offspring, illegitimate or otherwise on equal standing just as all citizens are equal before Singapore law.

    Singapore parliament should at soonest occasion convene to expunge this unconstitutional and thus bad law so as to defend the universal rights of all Singaporeans (especially innocent kids) as well as not to violate the constitution of the Republic of Singapore.
     
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    bic_cherry Alfrescian Old Timer

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    Lawyers called to the bar in Singapore are deemed officials of the court.
    Like doctors, engineers and accountants, they are professionals too and must place service to society as the highest calling/ priority.

    Any lawyer who spots a bad law contradicting the constitution or denying innocent kids of their universal human right to be treated with justice and equality ought highlight the flaw to parliament rather than proceed to use the loophole for their personal self interest, to the detriment of innocent kids and damage to society in the long run.

    Such devious and licentious lawyers should have their licenses to practice revoked as they corrupt the dispensation of justice in Singapore.
     

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