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Demand for pricey flats still high

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I REFER to last Tuesday's report, 'Even pricey flats in great demand'.

As reported, the 50-storey Pinnacle@Duxton in Tanjong Pagar has attracted 1,467 applications for the 428 four-and five-room flats on offer - that draws three times more applications than the number of flats.
It amazes me to find out why it is so, and the rationales and mentality for people to go for pricey flats. The following attributes are likely answers:
- Land is scarce in Singapore, and limited land area is reserved for housing development. Hence, it gives people a feeling that housing is still a safer, stable and long-term investment.
- Singapore's steady and developed economy has attracted an influx of foreign investment, new immigrants and permanent residents. Hence demand for housing is raised.
- Buying or investing in property - a necessary shelter, regardless of which type of housing, be it private or HDB flats - is still considered the most safe and sound mode of investment. It is especially true and valid when the worldwide economy faces financial crisis and the domestic economy is encountering a technical recession.
- Singapore has constantly achieved remarkable economic growth and high GDP in the past few years and created wealth for many people, who are inclined towards housing investment.
- If the supply of housing remains constant, demand for housing will definitely push up prices, as it has clearly shown in the sale of flats at Pinnacle@Duxton.
Nevertheless, we must be aware and extremely cautious of the vulnerable and volatile conditions of the global economy, tighter or strictly controlled financial regulations, such as credit control in borrowing, fluctuating demand and supply of housing will definitely influence the property market. Hence I advise all potential buyers to do their homework well and measure their financial capability before investing in the property market. Only by doing so, can we avoid any unexpected risks to our investments. Teo Kueh Liang
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makapaaa

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</NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate noWrap align=right width="30%">Oct-5 7:55 pm </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT noWrap align=right width="1%" height=20>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname noWrap width="68%">ALL <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right>(2 of 24) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft width="1%" rowSpan=4></TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>793.2 in reply to 793.1 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt><TABLE cellSpacing=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=heading>Latest comments</TD></TR><TR><TD id=messageDisplayRegion width="100%"><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Oh, to add to my comment, the average house prices in U.S is only $270,000 and they have a higher average income compared to SG.

</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: patrickcnc at Mon Oct 06 10:48:56 SGT 2008

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=AlternatePost style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>That shows that our Finance minister's words are correct, Singapore is sound and stable..the dream has just begun..F1, IRs, YOG, T4, Cruise Ctr, Sports Hub, Changi Race circuit and many more...

</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: cabbySHE at Mon Oct 06 10:46:15 SGT 2008

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=Post style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>The current situation in Sg is very similer to US. Overly speculated housing buble caused by excessive lendings from banks to consumers. With average household income of around $3500 a month, how can people afford to buy $600K flat? If we take into account the ridiculously priced Private Properties, I think big Crisis is coming our way. I am not the dooms day advocate but I think the Gov should have done something years ago to curb the excessive housing bubles. Banks in Europes are feeling the pain now. Hope the gov policies of always trying to talk up the market will hold this time.

</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: patrickcnc at Mon Oct 06 10:37:40 SGT 2008

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE class=AlternatePost style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>actually HDB is still priced affordably in areas like punggol and sengkang while the flats around the central areas have gone up tremendously.

Buy what you can afford. In other words, if I can not afford a 600k flat, I should go for flats in punggol area where the 5 rm costs less than 400k, as per June BTO.

</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: jassielim at Mon Oct 06 09:58:06 SGT 2008

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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: Eagle_2004 at Mon Oct 06 07:54:59 SGT 2008

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makapaaa

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</NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate noWrap align=right width="30%">Oct-5 8:03 pm </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT noWrap align=right width="1%" height=20>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname noWrap width="68%">kojakbt22 <NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right>(9 of 24) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft width="1%" rowSpan=4></TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>793.9 in reply to 793.7 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>HDB has lost the plot ever since Mah Bow Tan took charge of it as Minister of National Development in 1999.

Just look at HOW MUCH & HOW HIGH NEW HDB flats have risen since the great MBT took charge.
At the same time, please take a look at HOW MUCH & HOW HIGH RESALE HDB flats' valuations have increased since the same period??!!
ALSO, please remember that the 20% (or isit 25%??) resale levy was created by the great MBT too.

This Mah Bow Tan really really deserves his MILLION DOLLAR salary for his ingenious masterplan of making us Singaporeans PAY and PAY for almost our entire working lives for the privilege of living in a 99-yr leasehold HDB flat.
And, at the end of the day, isnt it ironic that our super intelligent Government tells us that we dont have enough in our CPF for retirement???!!!!

Just to put things in the right perspective.... Marine Parade 5-room flats are now valued (by HDB-appointed valuers) at $500,000+, $600,000 also got, dont worry!!!..... and these are about 35 YEARS OLD HDB FLATS!!!!!

Anyone dare bet his/her life that there wont be $1 million HDB flats in the not-too-distant future? I certainly wouldn't.
Not as long as the great MBT (or a like-minded protege) is in charge of housing. [email protected]


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makapaaa

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</NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate noWrap align=right width="30%">Oct-5 8:06 pm </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT noWrap align=right width="1%" height=20>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname noWrap width="68%">kojakbt22 <NOBR> </NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right> (11 of 24) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft width="1%" rowSpan=4> </TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>793.11 in reply to 793.10 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt><TABLE class=tborder id=post192556 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY id=collapseobj_postbit_192556><TR><TD class=alt2><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap>anghwahong
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<!-- message -->let's see how the bubble forms. a 4-room flat in Kim Tian about 90 sq metres was just valued at $510,000 by HDB approved and HDB appointed valuers. The sellers wants another $30,000 cash. so that's how the game is being played and the bubble grows bigger. we think we will never have a sub-prime crisis.
the marine parade example quoted is a representative illustration.
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makapaaa

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</NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate noWrap align=right width="30%">Oct-5 11:04 pm </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT noWrap align=right width="1%" height=20>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname noWrap width="68%">goodnessm1 <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right> (14 of 24) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft width="1%" rowSpan=4> </TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>793.14 in reply to 793.12 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>The answer is FT paid higher rental they are forced to become PR compare the amount of rental they have to pay and hire purchase instalment they opt for the latter. Our government is forcing these people to take up. Even in housing PR first followed by citizens, okay you may say that PR not entitled. Create a market for local to update and make the PR buy over the resale flat.
You are right. Many FTs want to become PR so that that can buy HDB resale. When you rent a flat, the rental fee you pay is expenditure which is non-recoverable. When you buy HDB resale and pay loan, it's contributing to asset. Later when they leave Singapore, they can always sell off and take back their money. That's their thinking.
But then PAP never thinks, it's bloody driving up HDB resale price now almost beyond Singaporeans for some areas! Sure, those Singaporeans who own their 1st HDB can sell and make money. But where are they going to live after that? Still got to buy a house right? Besides, HDB resale price is now affecting the new HDB pricing because this frigging PAP govt want to peg new HDB to market rates!
Fark!

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makapaaa

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[FONT=georgia,times new roman,times,serif]He called the current crisis an economic Pearl Harbor, requiring immediate action. Its biggest single cause, he explained, was the real estate bubble. “Three hundred million Americans, their lending institutions, their government, their media, all believed that house prices were going to go up consistently,” he said. “Lending was done based on it, and everybody did a lot of foolish things.”[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia,times new roman,times,serif]....[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia,times new roman,times,serif]To help pay for the rescue, the government should raise taxes on the wealthy, Mr. Buffett suggested. “I’m paying the lowest tax rate that I’ve ever paid in my life,” he said. “Now, that’s crazy.”[/FONT]

[FONT=tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Compare and contrast to PAP's methodology:[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif](1) Control land and HDB supply (while jacking up demand with a liberal foreigner intake policy) so as to continue to prop up property prices;[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif](2) Increase taxes, fees, prices of normal necessities of the masses like utility bills, transport, basic telecoms, etc.[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Any wonder why Sinkapore continues to require importing 'foreign talents' to 'attract investments' so as to ensure economic growth/viability ?[/FONT]
[FONT=tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]The Singapore economy is now worse-run than China's 'communist' economy.[/FONT]


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Let's hope there would be a severe recession with mass retrenchments and housing prices come down to more realistic levels. For those who buys into the belief that housing in S'pore can only go up, up and up, it would be wake up time for them.
 

The_Latest_H

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Its only a safe investment if the $600k was for a freehold property, and not for one on 99 year leases.

These people have got it wrong if they thought HDB was worth the investment, when its clear that 99 year lease means the HDB flat will depreciate as each year passes, not increase.

Freehold properties, such as a condo apartment will, as with landed property, will as according to the market, however. So there's a lot of ignorance really. And besides S'pore is not immune to the world economical crisis. When the full blown effects hit, property prices will be the first to be affected. The freehold side is already feeling it. Soon, the HDB side will be affected as well. It might be sooner than anyone else might think.
 
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DIVISION1

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I am afraid moniker makapaaa did not attend sufficient lessons in economics and business to under the strategy that Singapore is adopting.
 

johnny333

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Recession is in. So this not the time to upgrade to bigger flat. I forsee valuation of bigger HDB units would fall soon.

I'm surprised that with the financial crisis chaos people are still considering buying large ticket items!

Time to hang on to your cash for the global crash of 2008. :rolleyes:
 

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For those who buys into the belief that housing in S'pore can only go up, up and up, it would be wake up time for them.

Those young couples who bought those flats have not tasted "CHIN KANG KOR"
10 years time 70 per cent of them will be "CHIN KANG KOR"
The last batches of 'CHIN KANG KOR" were the one who bought flats between
1996 and 1998 before the Asian crisis.
 
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