• IP addresses are NOT logged in this forum so there's no point asking. Please note that this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics & absolute nut jobs with a smattering of geniuses, Chinese chauvinists, Moderate Muslims and last but not least a couple of "know-it-alls" constantly sprouting their dubious wisdom. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense PLEASE LEAVE NOW! Sammyboy Admin and Staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here.

    The OTHER forum is HERE so please stop asking.

China's Military Has An Achilles' Heel : Low troop morale

Froggy

Alfrescian (InfP) + Mod
Moderator
Generous Asset
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ch...1&pub_date=20210920123000&seq_num=29&si=44594

China's military has an Achilles' heel: Low troop morale
'One-child army' more inclined to add unmanned aircraft and ballistic missiles

https%253A%252F%252Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%252Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%252Fimages%252F2%252F8%252F5%252F0%252F36480582-4-eng-GB%252FCropped-1631941008photo_SXM2021091000004312.jpg

Visible military muscle like missiles and tanks is only one component of power. Troop morale is another. © AP
TETSURO KOSAKA, Nikkei senior staff writerSeptember 19, 2021 16:09 JST

TOKYO -- The Chinese Communist Party has unintentionally revealed weaknesses of the country's military.

One indication came with the building of facilities for launching new intercontinental ballistic missiles in an inland desert region. The other was a series of further attempts to increase childbirths, including measures to help reduce the costly burden of educating children. Behind these moves lurks evidence that the country is addressing concerns regarding troop morale and the military's ability to fight a sustained war.

For nearly a decade, China has been busy in the South China Sea, first building artificial islands, then deploying radar equipment and missiles to deter foreign military aircraft and vessels from approaching the area, and finally deploying strategic nuclear submarines capable of launching ballistic missiles in the now-protected sea.

Submarine-launched ballistic missiles, known as SLBMs, are the ultimate weapon. They allow nations to avoid being put in disadvantageous positions since the subs that carry them can remain in deep waters, keeping the enemy at bay, until the very end.

So why is China rushing to build new ICBM bases in inland desert areas? Experts believe the reason lies in the fact that although China has militarized some waters in the South China Sea and deployed SLBMs, it no longer has confidence it can defend the area should conflict arise.

In January 2018, a Chinese submarine humiliatingly revealed its lack of high-level performance. The submarine, traveling undersea in a contiguous zone of Japan's Senkaku Islands, in the East China Sea, was quickly detected by the Japanese Self-Defense Forces.

It was quick to surface and unhesitatingly raise the Chinese flag, which might as well have been a white flag of surrender; the crew presumably feared their vessel could be attacked with depth charges.

Under international law, the Maritime Self-Defense Force could have regarded the vessel as an "unidentified submarine" that had intruded into Japanese territorial waters while submerged.

Many Japanese and U.S. officials believe the incident symbolizes the low morale of Chinese troops.


https%253A%252F%252Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%252Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%252Fimages%252F_aliases%252Farticleimage%252F1%252F3%252F5%252F0%252F36480531-1-eng-GB%252Fphoto_SXM2021091000004157.jpg

A Chinese submarine raises what might as well be a flag of surrender after being forced to surface near Japan's Senkaku Islands in January 2018. (Photo provided by the Ministry of Defense)

Chinese Communist Party governments have spent the past quarter-century increasing military spending and staging military parades and naval reviews. But visible might like missiles and tanks is only one component of military power. There are also invisible inputs, like troop morale.

The Chinese navy has been working on an aircraft carrier program, but a former Japanese Ministry of Defense official predicts Chinese aircraft carriers will not leave their military ports in conflicts out of fear they might be attacked and sunk.

Some believe that Chinese soldiers' low morale is attributable to the country's long-standing one-child policy, which has made the military one of the world's leading "one-child armies."

"Over 70% of Chinese soldiers are 'only children,' and the rest are the second or later children whose parents had to pay fines to bear them," said Kinichi Nishimura, a former Ground Self-Defense Force officer who for many years has analyzed East Asia's military balance at the Ministry of Defense's Defense Intelligence Headquarters and elsewhere.

The Confucianist view that children must respect and take good care of their parents and ancestors remains deep-rooted in China. As a result, parents are particularly reluctant to see their children die earlier than they do. Parents of one-child households must feel even more strongly about their only son or daughter becoming nothing more than a proverbial "nail."

In China, where people tend to have little respect for soldiers, there is a saying: "Good steel does not become nails," meaning respectable individuals do not become soldiers. In order to ensure it can secure sufficient numbers of troops, the party has been working to improve salaries and pensions.

On Aug. 1, the government enacted a law to protect the status, rights and interests of military personnel. This desperate effort to improve the patina of a military career might be a sign that the People's Liberation Army has not been able to turn around its recruitment efforts, especially in the face of the country's ebbing fertility rate.

"The Chinese military has increased the deployment of battleships and fighter planes since a few years ago," Nishimura said, "but their operating rates are not exactly high. It seems they are unable to sufficiently train enough soldiers to properly maintain and repair" the high-tech hardware.

This is partly why the Chinese military in recent years has come to rely more on unmanned aircraft and ballistic missiles. The number of ballistic missiles China deploys has increased to several thousand.

One of the PLA's military doctrines not widely known, says, "In the initial battle of war, launch a large number of missiles and then immediately leave the front line." This strategy was picked up from the former Soviet Union, whose military played the role of teacher while China was forming the PLA.

Over the past few years, the PLA has rushed to add more fighter jets, surface ships and submarines, which might indicate an intention to increase the number of missiles that can be launched when battles commence. Unmanned aircraft are thought to have the same purpose. This strategy will continue, especially when the military is not able to secure enough soldiers.

To protect themselves from Chinese missile attacks, Japan and other nations must start thinking about enhancing measures to mitigate damage. These measures include developing and deploying next-generation arms, including high-energy laser weapons and rail guns, which use electromagnetic force to launch projectiles at extremely high speeds. Japan already has a technological foundation to develop these weapons, though this capacity is not widely known in the country.
 

congo9

Alfrescian
Loyal
Why do Chinese like to fight ? Why do they like to flex their muscle. The Chinese parents have only 1 kid. It's not one mum can give birth to 10 kids in her life time.
Why don't they be like other, stop fighting and concentrate on producing or breeding ?
 

maxsanic

Alfrescian
Loyal
This must be the most idiotic military analysis I have ever read. More advanced missiles and UAV are the future trend of any military that is of credible standing in 2021. Who the heck deploys large throngs of riflemen and tanks in any serious war? Even fourth rate militaries like Armenia and Azerbaijan are using unmanned technologies to replace ground troop style maneuvers in their recent conflict.

Besides the above mentioned obvious idiocy, the writer Tetsuro Kosaka also makes many outrightly false claims and idiotic 1960s military analyses and conclusion that he does not back up with a single shred of evidence:

building of facilities for launching new intercontinental ballistic missiles in an inland desert region

This fake news has already been disproved as the so called holes on the ground were foundation works for a windfarm to mount turbine fans. Again this is basic military knowledge, the emphasis on land-based strategic missiles now is towards off-road mobility such as TELs, rail or minimally underground/tunnels within mountains. Who the heck builds large number of silos visible on satellite these days? Not even North Korea and Iran with their primitive missile technology do things like that. Tetsuro needs to brush up his basic knowledge which is still stuck in the 1960s.

In January 2018, a Chinese submarine humiliatingly revealed its lack of high-level performance. The submarine, traveling undersea in a contiguous zone of Japan's Senkaku Islands, in the East China Sea, was quickly detected by the Japanese Self-Defense Forces.

It was quick to surface and unhesitatingly raise the Chinese flag, which might as well have been a white flag of surrender; the crew presumably feared their vessel could be attacked with depth charges.

Many Japanese and U.S. officials believe the incident symbolizes the low morale of Chinese troops.

First of all, this story is solely coming from unnamed sources from Japanese side and I have doubts things actually happen this way, but that's not the main point. What I'm extremely confused is this weird conclusion that a submarine asset raising its flag is equivalent to white flag of surrender. Never heard of such a thing - I searched through google and military websites on whether such an action is tantamount to surrender. Again nothing. It appears to be something completely made up by Tetsuro.

The article follows through with an even more bizarre conclusion - this is an indication of poor solider morale. WTF is this seriously? If you are in eminent danger during peace time military operations, a low morale troop will surrender and high morale troop will fight to the end? Going by this standard the Americans and Russians must all be suffering from abysmal morale.

Some believe that Chinese soldiers' low morale is attributable to the country's long-standing one-child policy, which has made the military one of the world's leading "one-child armies."

"Over 70% of Chinese soldiers are 'only children,' and the rest are the second or later children whose parents had to pay fines to bear them," said Kinichi Nishimura, a former Ground Self-Defense Force officer who for many years has analyzed East Asia's military balance at the Ministry of Defense's Defense Intelligence Headquarters and elsewhere.

And who exactly is the "some believe"? The writer mentions nobody, even the one former officer whom he quotes was simply stating a fact that most PLA soldiers are from single child family and makes no mention of any low morale. That's an obvious arithmetic fact from the one child policy that is of no insight.

... desperate effort to improve the patina of a military career might be a sign that the People's Liberation Army has not been able to turn around its recruitment efforts, especially in the face of the country's ebbing fertility rate.

This clown needs to start reading news since Deng Xiaoping took over 40 years ago. The PLA is not trying to turn around its recruitment efforts, contrary to that it has been periodically retrenching its military personnel since 40 years ago. The most recent massive ROF was in 2019. Is this joker confusing PRC with ROC?

"The Chinese military has increased the deployment of battleships and fighter planes since a few years ago," Nishimura said, "but their operating rates are not exactly high. It seems they are unable to sufficiently train enough soldiers to properly maintain and repair" the high-tech hardware.

Their operating rates are not as high as Japan because their military assets way outnumber Japan. In fact Japan fighter pilots was reported to be suffering from exhaustion and planes were suffering high wear and tear due to being overused as they couldn't keep up with PLAAF who could afford to rotate off a large base. Again this is old public news...

One of the PLA's military doctrines not widely known, says, "In the initial battle of war, launch a large number of missiles and then immediately leave the front line." This strategy was picked up from the former Soviet Union, whose military played the role of teacher while China was forming the PLA.

Firstly, I'm not even sure if there really is such a doctrine in the first place. There is no credible evidence this is indeed the case and the writer mentions no source as well. Another proclamation that he expects readers to simply agree.

Secondly, now in 2021 missile ranges have gotten considerably longer that during the 1960s which his military knowledge appears to be stuck at. Ballistic missiles in PLARF are minimally 400+km up to 13,000km range. Nobody is going to head to the frontline and launch missile then run away from frontline when missile can simply be launched from home base.

Even air launched anti-ship / anti-land cruise missiles have ranges that runs in hundreds of KM. Recent technological advancements in UAV also see the increased use of expendable drones act as missile carriers.
 

Tun Tija

Alfrescian
Loyal
Should learn from Japanese army. To raise morale need to establish comfort women unit, globally, wherever the military go. This provide job for the local slut in occupied territory.
 

laksaboy

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
China needs a big war. Too many male Tiongs. And with a floundering economy, that's a ticking political time bomb. Better cull some of them by sending them to the frontlines.
 

tanwahtiu

Alfrescian
Loyal
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ch...1&pub_date=20210920123000&seq_num=29&si=44594

China's military has an Achilles' heel: Low troop morale
'One-child army' more inclined to add unmanned aircraft and ballistic missiles

https%253A%252F%252Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%252Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%252Fimages%252F2%252F8%252F5%252F0%252F36480582-4-eng-GB%252FCropped-1631941008photo_SXM2021091000004312.jpg

Visible military muscle like missiles and tanks is only one component of power. Troop morale is another. © AP
TETSURO KOSAKA, Nikkei senior staff writerSeptember 19, 2021 16:09 JST

TOKYO -- The Chinese Communist Party has unintentionally revealed weaknesses of the country's military.

One indication came with the building of facilities for launching new intercontinental ballistic missiles in an inland desert region. The other was a series of further attempts to increase childbirths, including measures to help reduce the costly burden of educating children. Behind these moves lurks evidence that the country is addressing concerns regarding troop morale and the military's ability to fight a sustained war.

For nearly a decade, China has been busy in the South China Sea, first building artificial islands, then deploying radar equipment and missiles to deter foreign military aircraft and vessels from approaching the area, and finally deploying strategic nuclear submarines capable of launching ballistic missiles in the now-protected sea.

Submarine-launched ballistic missiles, known as SLBMs, are the ultimate weapon. They allow nations to avoid being put in disadvantageous positions since the subs that carry them can remain in deep waters, keeping the enemy at bay, until the very end.

So why is China rushing to build new ICBM bases in inland desert areas? Experts believe the reason lies in the fact that although China has militarized some waters in the South China Sea and deployed SLBMs, it no longer has confidence it can defend the area should conflict arise.

In January 2018, a Chinese submarine humiliatingly revealed its lack of high-level performance. The submarine, traveling undersea in a contiguous zone of Japan's Senkaku Islands, in the East China Sea, was quickly detected by the Japanese Self-Defense Forces.

It was quick to surface and unhesitatingly raise the Chinese flag, which might as well have been a white flag of surrender; the crew presumably feared their vessel could be attacked with depth charges.

Under international law, the Maritime Self-Defense Force could have regarded the vessel as an "unidentified submarine" that had intruded into Japanese territorial waters while submerged.

Many Japanese and U.S. officials believe the incident symbolizes the low morale of Chinese troops.


https%253A%252F%252Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%252Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%252Fimages%252F_aliases%252Farticleimage%252F1%252F3%252F5%252F0%252F36480531-1-eng-GB%252Fphoto_SXM2021091000004157.jpg

A Chinese submarine raises what might as well be a flag of surrender after being forced to surface near Japan's Senkaku Islands in January 2018. (Photo provided by the Ministry of Defense)

Chinese Communist Party governments have spent the past quarter-century increasing military spending and staging military parades and naval reviews. But visible might like missiles and tanks is only one component of military power. There are also invisible inputs, like troop morale.

The Chinese navy has been working on an aircraft carrier program, but a former Japanese Ministry of Defense official predicts Chinese aircraft carriers will not leave their military ports in conflicts out of fear they might be attacked and sunk.

Some believe that Chinese soldiers' low morale is attributable to the country's long-standing one-child policy, which has made the military one of the world's leading "one-child armies."

"Over 70% of Chinese soldiers are 'only children,' and the rest are the second or later children whose parents had to pay fines to bear them," said Kinichi Nishimura, a former Ground Self-Defense Force officer who for many years has analyzed East Asia's military balance at the Ministry of Defense's Defense Intelligence Headquarters and elsewhere.

The Confucianist view that children must respect and take good care of their parents and ancestors remains deep-rooted in China. As a result, parents are particularly reluctant to see their children die earlier than they do. Parents of one-child households must feel even more strongly about their only son or daughter becoming nothing more than a proverbial "nail."

In China, where people tend to have little respect for soldiers, there is a saying: "Good steel does not become nails," meaning respectable individuals do not become soldiers. In order to ensure it can secure sufficient numbers of troops, the party has been working to improve salaries and pensions.

On Aug. 1, the government enacted a law to protect the status, rights and interests of military personnel. This desperate effort to improve the patina of a military career might be a sign that the People's Liberation Army has not been able to turn around its recruitment efforts, especially in the face of the country's ebbing fertility rate.

"The Chinese military has increased the deployment of battleships and fighter planes since a few years ago," Nishimura said, "but their operating rates are not exactly high. It seems they are unable to sufficiently train enough soldiers to properly maintain and repair" the high-tech hardware.

This is partly why the Chinese military in recent years has come to rely more on unmanned aircraft and ballistic missiles. The number of ballistic missiles China deploys has increased to several thousand.

One of the PLA's military doctrines not widely known, says, "In the initial battle of war, launch a large number of missiles and then immediately leave the front line." This strategy was picked up from the former Soviet Union, whose military played the role of teacher while China was forming the PLA.

Over the past few years, the PLA has rushed to add more fighter jets, surface ships and submarines, which might indicate an intention to increase the number of missiles that can be launched when battles commence. Unmanned aircraft are thought to have the same purpose. This strategy will continue, especially when the military is not able to secure enough soldiers.

To protect themselves from Chinese missile attacks, Japan and other nations must start thinking about enhancing measures to mitigate damage. These measures include developing and deploying next-generation arms, including high-energy laser weapons and rail guns, which use electromagnetic force to launch projectiles at extremely high speeds. Japan already has a technological foundation to develop these weapons, though this capacity is not widely known in the country.

Go fuck yrslf. Only fake news produced long narratives to cover more shit lies. Paid by per words write super long narratives...

Are you paid by CIA to lies?
 

Hypocrite-The

Alfrescian
Loyal
The ChiCons military..do they include all the armed ChiCons? I mean the paramilitary units and Mata and militia and reserve forces. The chicon military is more than just the PLA...and the paramilitary etc is the same size as the PLA...so I don't think the ChiCons are as weak as they are made out to be
 

JohnTan

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
So why is China rushing to build new ICBM bases in inland desert areas? Experts believe the reason lies in the fact that although China has militarized some waters in the South China Sea and deployed SLBMs, it no longer has confidence it can defend the area should conflict arise.

Are soldiers losing the will to fight because they prefer to shoot guns from long range instead of using swords and parangs? Historically, soldiers armed with spears had better chances against soldiers armed with swords. Alexander the Great's troops were armed with really long spears. The Romans, while using short swords, also had javelins to throw before engaging in close quarter fighting.

Historically, armies that could shoot further than their enemies are more likely to win. The Qin had better crossbows, the nomads of the steppes were famed horse archers, the european colonial navies mounted cannons on ships, and the Japanese and Americans pioneered aircraft carriers. It's the same trend with ICBMs, regardless if it was done by chinks or koreans or yankees.
 
Last edited:

eatshitndie

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
Should learn from Japanese army. To raise morale need to establish comfort women unit, globally, wherever the military go. This provide job for the local slut in occupied territory.
they already have the pink and red brigades to sextisfy front-line troops. "pink" for non-virgins, and red for virgins.
 

eatshitndie

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
This must be the most idiotic military analysis I have ever read. More advanced missiles and UAV are the future trend of any military that is of credible standing in 2021. Who the heck deploys large throngs of riflemen and tanks in any serious war? Even fourth rate militaries like Armenia and Azerbaijan are using unmanned technologies to replace ground troop style maneuvers in their recent conflict.

Besides the above mentioned obvious idiocy, the writer Tetsuro Kosaka also makes many outrightly false claims and idiotic 1960s military analyses and conclusion that he does not back up with a single shred of evidence:



This fake news has already been disproved as the so called holes on the ground were foundation works for a windfarm to mount turbine fans. Again this is basic military knowledge, the emphasis on land-based strategic missiles now is towards off-road mobility such as TELs, rail or minimally underground/tunnels within mountains. Who the heck builds large number of silos visible on satellite these days? Not even North Korea and Iran with their primitive missile technology do things like that. Tetsuro needs to brush up his basic knowledge which is still stuck in the 1960s.



First of all, this story is solely coming from unnamed sources from Japanese side and I have doubts things actually happen this way, but that's not the main point. What I'm extremely confused is this weird conclusion that a submarine asset raising its flag is equivalent to white flag of surrender. Never heard of such a thing - I searched through google and military websites on whether such an action is tantamount to surrender. Again nothing. It appears to be something completely made up by Tetsuro.

The article follows through with an even more bizarre conclusion - this is an indication of poor solider morale. WTF is this seriously? If you are in eminent danger during peace time military operations, a low morale troop will surrender and high morale troop will fight to the end? Going by this standard the Americans and Russians must all be suffering from abysmal morale.



And who exactly is the "some believe"? The writer mentions nobody, even the one former officer whom he quotes was simply stating a fact that most PLA soldiers are from single child family and makes no mention of any low morale. That's an obvious arithmetic fact from the one child policy that is of no insight.



This clown needs to start reading news since Deng Xiaoping took over 40 years ago. The PLA is not trying to turn around its recruitment efforts, contrary to that it has been periodically retrenching its military personnel since 40 years ago. The most recent massive ROF was in 2019. Is this joker confusing PRC with ROC?



Their operating rates are not as high as Japan because their military assets way outnumber Japan. In fact Japan fighter pilots was reported to be suffering from exhaustion and planes were suffering high wear and tear due to being overused as they couldn't keep up with PLAAF who could afford to rotate off a large base. Again this is old public news...



Firstly, I'm not even sure if there really is such a doctrine in the first place. There is no credible evidence this is indeed the case and the writer mentions no source as well. Another proclamation that he expects readers to simply agree.

Secondly, now in 2021 missile ranges have gotten considerably longer that during the 1960s which his military knowledge appears to be stuck at. Ballistic missiles in PLARF are minimally 400+km up to 13,000km range. Nobody is going to head to the frontline and launch missile then run away from frontline when missile can simply be launched from home base.

Even air launched anti-ship / anti-land cruise missiles have ranges that runs in hundreds of KM. Recent technological advancements in UAV also see the increased use of expendable drones act as missile carriers.
they still need young replacements to handle the high tech drone weaponry. but they have a hard time recruiting. meanwhile, their old pla comrades protest in the streets after being abandoned when they becum old and useless. "you die your biz" is their retirement benefit and reward.
 

glockman

Old Fart
Asset
China going down the path of militarization will only lead to its own destruction. Instead, they should just focus on what they do best : being the factory to the world and exporting whores. Then it's a win win for everyone. Seriously.
 

Sideswipe

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
China hasn't fought a war for 50+ years. the longer the no war period, they are more reluctant to fight.
 

congo9

Alfrescian
Loyal
They should have retrained these veterans to fight modern war. It's a total waste of talent and resources. They should also send these veterans to guard and fight terrorist in area where there's is strategic asset.

We need arm professionals to guard the JB condo and gates. Isn't it great.?
 
Top