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China bank adviser says property woes worse than US

By Fran Wang (AFP) – 19 hours ago

BEIJING — China's housing market problems are worse than those in the United States before the global downturn as they could stoke public discontent, a central bank adviser has warned.

The comments were made before China's State Council, or cabinet, announced it would "gradually reform the real estate tax" -- the first official sign of a possible annual levy on residential housing aimed at reining in soaring prices.

"The housing market problem in China is actually much, much more fundamental, much bigger than the housing market problem in the US and UK before your financial crisis," said Li Daokui, a member of the bank's monetary policy committee.

"It is more than (just) a bubble problem," he told the Financial Times in an interview published Tuesday.

The property market in the United States collapsed as too many people were unable to repay their high-risk, or sub-prime mortgages, leading to a credit crunch in which thousands lost their homes and lending dried up.

China has recently introduced a range of measures to prevent the growth of asset bubbles and soaring property prices.

Authorities have tightened restrictions on advance sales of new property developments, introduced new curbs on loans for third home purchases, and raised minimum downpayments for second homes.

The latest tax plan was expected to discourage property speculation and help replenish the coffers of local governments, which have been severely depleted by an investment binge over the past year, Chinese media reports have said.

A property tax is likely to be imposed on a trial basis in Beijing, Shanghai, the southwestern municipality of Chongqing and the southern city of Shenzhen by end-June, state media said previously.

China currently has no such levy on residential property but does impose a 1.2 percent tax on 70-90 percent of the value of commercial real estate.

The State Council also approved a plan to encourage the withdrawal of state capital in "general competitive sectors", in an apparent effort to reduce the amount of government-backed investment in the red-hot property market.

Li said recent moves by Beijing to rein in the property market needed to be part of a long-term push to bring high housing prices under control, the Financial Times reported.

He warned the high cost of housing could hamper future growth by slowing urbanisation. Rising prices were also a potential political flashpoint, especially among younger people who felt locked out of having their own home.

"When prices go up, many people, especially young people, become very anxious," he said. "It is a social problem."

He added that there were still signs that the economy was overheating and recommended modest increases in deposit interest rates and the value of the Chinese currency, the report said.

Official data showed real estate prices in 70 cities jumped 12.8 percent in April, the fastest year-on-year rise for a single month in five years.

At the Beijing Real Estate Expo in April, the average price of a new apartment in the Chinese capital was 21,164 yuan (3,100 dollars) per square metre, double that of last year, state media said.

That means a 90-square-metre (970 square feet) apartment in Beijing would cost 1.9 million yuan, compared with the average per capita income of 17,175 yuan in 2009.

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China to some extend, follow PAP, they are very impress by the way old fart is able to be more communist the the chinese when come to control of the citizen and stay in power for ever but on the same time, more cpaitlist then the USA when come to open leg, I mean open trade policies.

The Chinese Communist embark on tax policies that made then one of the richest country in the world in just a few decades, just like Singapore.

They are a magnet for investment, which fuel employment and the rise of the middle income group, they in turn are also taxed heavily, property is the next hot thing for the middle income group to persue, like a mirror image of how Singapore develope in the past, but at a break neck speed.

Just looking at property alone, it is not priced way beyond any average salary earning individual, but those who invested in 2 or more property in the last 10 years are sitting on a pot of gold, this is very much the same story here in SG.

We are seeing people on the ground getting frustrated with the PAP, same for CN, those who did not benifit, numbers in the billions, will be a real challenge to please and they are the ticking time bomb.

If The communist party did not transform they risk massive unrest like Thailand and when they start shooting at civilians, that will be the start of their downfall. Other area like Xinjiang and Tibet will join in the whole country will be thrown in chaos.

But as long as they can still provide the basic to the people, they can still stay in power. Like SG model, everyone only complain but that's about all.
 
article is flawed. Home buyers are required to put 30% down. Pointless to see what is the per capita income as there is huge disparity in income bet farming and city jobs. The problem they have in China is lack of investment choices.

So those with $$ pay for cars with cash and can offer huge cash down payments for houses. Given the low interest rate many start using property as savings banks.

article did not mention why he though property woes are worse than that found in the US.

The way I see it, 30% down, no CDO, debt all held by banks, beijing holds keys to regulations, fast growth of GDP, poor quality stock of old housing (built during communist days).

Anyway hope there is no crash as just a word from beijing that they would not sell their Euro lift the whole market.





China bank adviser says property woes worse than US

By Fran Wang (AFP) – 19 hours ago

BEIJING — China's housing market problems are worse than those in the United States before the global downturn as they could stoke public discontent, a central bank adviser has warned.

The comments were made before China's State Council, or cabinet, announced it would "gradually reform the real estate tax" -- the first official sign of a possible annual levy on residential housing aimed at reining in soaring prices.

"The housing market problem in China is actually much, much more fundamental, much bigger than the housing market problem in the US and UK before your financial crisis," said Li Daokui, a member of the bank's monetary policy committee.

"It is more than (just) a bubble problem," he told the Financial Times in an interview published Tuesday.

The property market in the United States collapsed as too many people were unable to repay their high-risk, or sub-prime mortgages, leading to a credit crunch in which thousands lost their homes and lending dried up.

China has recently introduced a range of measures to prevent the growth of asset bubbles and soaring property prices.

Authorities have tightened restrictions on advance sales of new property developments, introduced new curbs on loans for third home purchases, and raised minimum downpayments for second homes.

The latest tax plan was expected to discourage property speculation and help replenish the coffers of local governments, which have been severely depleted by an investment binge over the past year, Chinese media reports have said.

A property tax is likely to be imposed on a trial basis in Beijing, Shanghai, the southwestern municipality of Chongqing and the southern city of Shenzhen by end-June, state media said previously.

China currently has no such levy on residential property but does impose a 1.2 percent tax on 70-90 percent of the value of commercial real estate.

The State Council also approved a plan to encourage the withdrawal of state capital in "general competitive sectors", in an apparent effort to reduce the amount of government-backed investment in the red-hot property market.

Li said recent moves by Beijing to rein in the property market needed to be part of a long-term push to bring high housing prices under control, the Financial Times reported.

He warned the high cost of housing could hamper future growth by slowing urbanisation. Rising prices were also a potential political flashpoint, especially among younger people who felt locked out of having their own home.

"When prices go up, many people, especially young people, become very anxious," he said. "It is a social problem."

He added that there were still signs that the economy was overheating and recommended modest increases in deposit interest rates and the value of the Chinese currency, the report said.

Official data showed real estate prices in 70 cities jumped 12.8 percent in April, the fastest year-on-year rise for a single month in five years.

At the Beijing Real Estate Expo in April, the average price of a new apartment in the Chinese capital was 21,164 yuan (3,100 dollars) per square metre, double that of last year, state media said.

That means a 90-square-metre (970 square feet) apartment in Beijing would cost 1.9 million yuan, compared with the average per capita income of 17,175 yuan in 2009.

Copyright © 2010 AFP. All rights reserved. More »
 
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