Chiam's 28-year MPS venue goes

[tanwahp]

From SPP's Facebook page:

"Yesterday Thursday night, we had our very last MPS at Potong Pasir Blk 108 void deck. The new Town Council told us this void deck will be rezoned as a recreation centre for the elderly, starting October. We are very sad to have to leave this place after 28 years, and will keep many fond memories of meeting Potong Pasir residents here, even after the last GE. We will announce our new MPS venue soon."

With so many blocks to choose from, wonder why Sitoh / PPTC has to select the same block for a recreation centre.

Chiam's new MPS venue will probably be chosen by the PPTC. Expect long delay followed by some obscure, inconvenient area.

 

[oppoibchief]

typical PAP dictator style....NEVER EVER VOTE FOR PAP....

 

[Cruxx]

typical PAP dictator style....NEVER EVER VOTE FOR PAP....

What about SPP and WP? Can vote for them?

[video=youtube;AvqE_xAN1is]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvqE_xAN1is[/video]

 

[tanwahp]

What about SPP and WP? Can vote for them?

If you are referring to the video since you put it up, you might want to note that JBJ didn't tell people not to vote for WP or not vote for SPP. I gather he was saying that his approach differed from the two gentlemen leading these parties and people should go join according to those they identified with. Though he made it rather absolute.

 

[ray_of_hope]

I remember seeing the late JBJ many times hawking his books at various places. On not a single occasion did I see anyone going up to him to buy a copy.

Reality can be very devastating.

 

[Cruxx]

I remember seeing the late JBJ many times hawking his books at various places. On not a single occasion did I see anyone going up to him to buy a copy.

Reality can be very devastating.

Indeed. Singaporeans, by and large, are happy with the PAPzis. The PAPzis have done a fantastic job in managing the expectations of Sinkies. Sinkies now feel so rich even though the latest Price and Earnings report from the GIC-owned UBS dare not publish the purchasing power figures of Sinkies ever since they embarrassed their corporate masters the last time round by revealing that Singaporeans have a lower purchasing power than the "m&ds" up North that they so despise. The reality is that there won't be a revolution any time soon. After all, in the last GE, the PAP won 72.9% of valid votes and all 87 seats in parliament.

 

[ray_of_hope]

Given that the vast majority are happy for what they voted into parliament, the exercise of democracy continues to show its worth.

Only those who discovered that their more preferred choice failed to get into parliament, not by a small but by an astoundingly wide margin, will express dissatisfaction with the existing order. It is understandable that they will level blame on everyone else who does not share their viewpoint or democratic choice.

 

[Cruxx]

Given that the vast majority are happy for what they voted into parliament, the exercise of democracy continues to show its worth.

Only those who discovered that their more preferred choice failed to get into parliament, not by a small but by an astoundingly wide margin, will express dissatisfaction with the existing order. It is understandable that they will level blame on everyone else who does not share their viewpoint or democratic choice.

The Nazi Party did get elected in a democratic election, after all. Frogs tend to be happier at the bottom of wells.

 

[tanwahp]

The Nazi Party did get elected in a democratic election, after all. Frogs tend to be happier at the bottom of wells.

Be more specific. The first 2 elections that Nazi Party won WERE democratic and they didn't win a majority. The Social Democrats had won many times under the same election system. And in one year the Nazis got voted out. The elections they "won" after that was the banning of political parties and allowing people to cast "No" votes only, in which they "won" all the seats.

Which period are you referring to. Both German scenarios, before and after, does not fit into Singapore's or PAP's scenario.

 

[ray_of_hope]

Those who take extreme points of view do tend to cite the few examples from history that are completely outside the norm. That's the best they can do to support their stand. It is not surprising that CSJ and JBJ are heroes to them.

 

[tanwahp]

Those who take extreme points of view do tend to cite the few examples from history that are completely outside the norm. That's the best they can do to support their stand.

True. Good point.

 

[Cruxx]

Those who take extreme points of view do tend to cite the few examples from history that are completely outside the norm. That's the best they can do to support their stand. It is not surprising that CSJ and JBJ are heroes to them.

I'm not surprised at all. To PAP supporters, all alternatives are extremist positions.

 

[Cruxx]

Be more specific. The first 2 elections that Nazi Party won WERE democratic and they didn't win a majority. The Social Democrats had won many times under the same election system. And in one year the Nazis got voted out. The elections they "won" after that was the banning of political parties and allowing people to cast "No" votes only, in which they "won" all the seats.

Which period are you referring to. Both German scenarios, before and after, does not fit into Singapore's or PAP's scenario.

The Nazi Party were the largest party in the free and fair federal elections of July, 1932 and November, 1932. It wasn't until 1933 after Hitler became the Chancellor that the Nazi Party had the power to begin eliminating all opposition parties. What does that tell you about the legitimacy of democratic elections? The PAP is the largest party by an overwhelming margin. If it's undemocratic to support opposition parties like SDP, RP and NSP, why isn't it undemocratic to support WP? Why do you WP supporters choose to flagrantly disregard the will of the majority? Be sure to check the colour of your shirts the next time you argue for the legitimacy of the democratically elected PAP.

 

[tanwahp]

The Nazi Party were the largest party in the free and fair federal elections of July, 1932 and November, 1932. It wasn't until 1933 after Hitler became the Chancellor that the Nazi Party had the power to begin eliminating all opposition parties. What does that tell you about the legitimacy of democratic elections?

No one recognizes the later part of Nazi rule to be democratic. Who here said that? You first raised the example of Nazi, then put words in our mouth and said we agree that Nazi Germany was a democracy. You seem to enjoy giving someone a bad name so you can hang him.

Were you trying to say that the later Nazi is like PAP? Sorry I think even international countries and independent rating agencies will disagree with you. Singapore has always been rated as a controlled democracy, authoritarian democracy, illiberal democracy or labels like that. You think they will give these labels to Nazi, Hitler or Burma? Over their dead bodies. They wouldn't even associate the word "democracy" in any form to them.

The PAP is the largest party by an overwhelming margin. If it's undemocratic to support opposition parties like SDP, RP and NSP, why isn't it undemocratic to support WP? Why do you WP supporters choose to flagrantly disregard the will of the majority? Be sure to check the colour of your shirts the next time you argue for the legitimacy of the democratically elected PAP.

Again, who said supporting opposition parties is undemocratic?

 

[Cruxx]

Once again, the failure of the sinkie education system writ large. I give up on these blue PAP supporters.

 

[tanwahp]

Once again, the failure of the sinkie education system writ large. I give up on these blue PAP supporters.

Sure, feel free to take the easy way out.

 

[cass888]

Question: What if the Nazi party won free and fair elections through to 1945 (possibly because of Germans having been bullied after WWI). Would what the Nazi's had done been justified then?

No one recognizes the later part of Nazi rule to be democratic. Who here said that? You first raised the example of Nazi, then put words in our mouth and said we agree that Nazi Germany was a democracy. You seem to enjoy giving someone a bad name so you can hang him.

Were you trying to say that the later Nazi is like PAP? Sorry I think even international countries and independent rating agencies will disagree with you. Singapore has always been rated as a controlled democracy, authoritarian democracy, illiberal democracy or labels like that. You think they will give these labels to Nazi, Hitler or Burma? Over their dead bodies. They wouldn't even associate the word "democracy" in any form to them.



Again, who said supporting opposition parties is undemocratic?

 

[tanwahp]

Question: What if the Nazi party won free and fair elections through to 1945 (possibly because of Germans having been bullied after WWI). Would what the Nazi's had done been justified then?

Of course not. But I don't think people would have stayed with them. Before their totalitarianism, they were barely struggling to get a majority and even lost a good 30 seats to have to form a coalition.