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another baby life taken!! where is God!?!?!?!?!

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    another Baby Slaughtered; Where is God?
    Posted on March 19, 2013

    Earlier this month, people in China were heartbroken by the tragic news of an 8-month-old baby boy who was killed in the course of a car theft. CNN reported on the story on March 6:

    A car theft in China that spiraled into a manhunt and a baby’s killing has left the country grieving and sparked outrage on social media.

    The body of the infant, whose name was Haobo, was found buried in the snow Wednesday. His father, Xu Jialin, said he and his wife identified their two-month-old son, according to state-run news agency Xinhua.

    Thousands gathered in a square Tuesday night in Changchun, the capital of Jilin Province, to mourn the baby, killed by “a thief who found the missing boy sleeping in a car he had stolen,” Xinhua reported.

    The 48-year-old man, identified as Zhou Xijun, turned himself in to police Tuesday and confessed that he had killed the baby and buried him in the snow, Xinhua reported, citing local police.

    Xu, the father, had parked his car Monday in front of the supermarket he runs in Changchun and entered the store to turn on a stove, leaving his son in the back seat with the car’s engine still running, according to state-run news reports.

    Xu returned minutes later to find his car was missing. He called police immediately.

    On March 9, the Mainland website Kuanye posted an article written by an evangelist in response to the killing. The article is titled “Another Baby Slaughtered; Where is God?” It is an example of how Christians are taking to the internet to comment on (and in this case, speak out) on social issues. Most surprisingly is the author’s bold condemnation of the country’s One-child Policy, and the prevalence of abortion in China. This article should also be read within the context of a report released by the Chinese government this week that there have been 300 million abortions performed in China since 1971.

    Translated article:

    Over the last couple of days many people have been caught up with the sad news regarding a baby boy who went missing when the car he was in was stolen. After a 5-day search, police in Changchun, Jilin Province announced that the two-month-old baby boy had been found dead. That night at 8PM the mother of the dead child fainted when she was notified and was taken to the hospital. It was reported that the suspect, Zhou Xijun, turned himself in. When he discovered there was a child in the back of the car he had stolen, he drove to Gongzhuling city in Huaide township on the Yongfa village highway. There he strangled the baby and buried him in the snow.

    Who killed this completely helpless baby? We all know it was the 48 year old suspect. But when this innocent baby was killed, where was God’s justice?

    Every Christmas Eve, many churches use drama to retell the story the story in Matthew’s Gospel of the wise men who came to worship the Baby Jesus. Shortly thereafter, Jesus’ parents escaped to Egypt, and King Herod [the Great] killed all male babies in Bethlehem who were under two years of age. I am often asked: How can God silently tolerate the killing of all these babies?

    But consider this: haven’t millions of children died because of abortion, war, disease, malnourishment, and all other kinds of abnormal death? Can we say that God, when he doesn’t respond to these events, allows invisible evil to slaughter babies over and over again?

    The evil slaughtering of babies stems from the diabolic root of greed and corruption!

    Controlled by his insatiable greed, Zhou Xijun stole a car. Deprived of the least bit of compassion, when he discovered a baby in the car he cruelly strangled the baby, and in order to cover up his crime he buried him in the snow. At first he was simply greedy for more stuff, but now he is guilty of a more heinous crime. Through this awful situation God wants to show man’s sinfulness and the dreadfulness of sin, especially in China where these kinds of rogues run wild, exposing their unscrupulous cruelty.

    Where is God?

    According to an article published by the New York Post, one month ago a young American couple was in a shop buying something when a thief stole their car with their eight-month old daughter in it. Forty minutes after reporting the case to the police, the police call center received another call saying the baby girl had been found in a Jeep. After identifying the location of the car the call was dropped. Police were immediately dispatched to rescue the girl and recover the car. The police guessed the car thief probably didn’t have the heart to continue the theft, so he called the police and abandoned the car.

    Has God died in China?

    One day in 1972, after millions who had taken the name ‘Christian’ prior to the [Communist] liberation of China had all disappeared, Jiang Qing [wife of Mao Zedong] boldly declared that Chinese Christianity could only be found in historical museums. The front page of European newspapers responded with the headline “God is dead in China!” Soon afterwards, more than 140,000 Europeans and Americans from all walks of life tried to come to China. Since many of them could not enter the Mainland, they went to Hong Kong, Macao or Taiwan to study Chinese. Seven years later China opened her doors and most of these foreign guests and experts from all walks of life were welcomed in with no difficulty. They were the first wave that lit the fire of revival in China, and thus millions have become Christians today.

    Of course, the fact that Christians in China today have emerged from being underground is thanks to the blood shed by earlier saints, and this too is a part of God’s plan. God has answered, in his own sovereign way, the question of his supposed silence between 1949 and 1979.

    Why did the American thief abandon the car and spare the life of the baby while the Chinese thief did not? This is the result of mounting contradictions in Chinese society today. China has been moving so fast that most people cannot keep up. As a result, these kinds of crimes are happening more and more. The state advocates painless abortions and forced abortions have become commonplace. If their firstborn is a girl, some parents who are afraid of violating the family planning policy, will consciously strangle the baby. They act as if this is a normal occurrence. So we shouldn’t be surprised that Zhou Xijun would consciously kill a baby. His thinking makes perfect sense because the Family Planning Department can legally slaughter unborn children. In a political and economic environment where abortion is a reasonable solution, he merely slaughtered a baby that had been out of the womb for more than 60 days. When we heard about the death of this baby and wept for him, we should have also wept for the millions of babies aborted every year!

    Our country encourages us to criticize traditional ethics handed down to us from generation to generation: “Having no male heir is the greatest of the three offenses against filial piety.” [quotation from The Mengzi] Of course we can discard this, saying: “A moral man doesn’t drink from the Spring of Thief; an upright man doesn’t accept alms.” [a proverb gathered from various sources in Chinese historical literature] The situation in China today is similar to the time of the Weeping Prophet, Jeremiah, who said: “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it!” (Jer. 17:6, ESV)

    God is not silent.

    The Bible says: “Out of the mouth of babies and infants, you have established strength…” (Psalm 8:2, ESV). Jesus escaped the hand of King Herod to grow up to be a mature man; he healed the sick and preached the gospel; he died and rose from the dead. The glory that he manifested has answered the question of parents who have lost their children. The blood of the children rises from the ground to plead with God, and God is not silent. He answered the question of death with eternal life . All sadness will be replaced in the New Heaven and New Earth.

    God has never been silent, even in China.

    In June of 2012, we heard about a woman in Zhenping County who was forced to undergo a late-stage abortion. In 2010, we heard about Professor Yang Zhizhu losing his teaching position after having a second child. And now we hear of Zhou Xijun slaughtering this 8-month-old baby. These events should serve as reminders to Chinese people that we have to stand against the evil one and say “No!” Those who do not walk in the counsel of the wicked, do not walk in the footsteps of sinners, and do not collude with those who insult God will be counted as blessed.

    Though Herod the Great, the butcher of Bethlehem babies, disappeared from history without a trace, the consequence of his infamy was passed down to his son, King Herod. “On an appointed day Herod put on his royal robes, took his seat upon the throne, and delivered an oration to them. And the people were shouting, ‘The voice of a god, and not of a man!‘ Immediately an angel of the Lord struck him down, because he did not give God the glory, and he was eaten by worms and breathed his last” (Acts 12:21-23, ESV).

    Evildoers are doomed to suffer consequences. King Herod could not escape, and neither can Zhou Xijun. The law and his own conscience will judge him. Likewise, no one will be able to escape the Judgment Day.

    Jesus preached the Good News, saying, “Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!” (Matthew 4:17) Now is the time to listen to his words! He who has ears to hear, listen!
     
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    you are doing cherry picking again. the god of the bible is not unfamiliar with murders. read it for yourself.

    1) Capital Punishment Crimes:



    Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



    Kill Witches

    You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



    Kill Homosexuals
    "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



    Kill Fortunetellers

    A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



    Death for Hitting Dad

    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



    Death for Cursing Parents

    1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

    2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
     
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    Death for Adultery

    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



    Death for Fornication

    A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



    Death to Followers of Other Religions

    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



    Kill Nonbelievers

    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



    Kill False Prophets

    If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



    Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



    Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

    But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



    Kill Followers of Other Religions.

    1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



    2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



    Death for Blasphemy

    One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



    Kill False Prophets

    1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



    2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



    Infidels and Gays Should Die

    So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



    Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

    For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



    Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

    The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)





    2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:



    Kill Brats

    From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)



    God Kills the Curious

    And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)



    Killed by a Lion

    Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)



    Killing the Good Samaritan

    The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

    When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)
     
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    Death is part of life,,,deal with it,,all people from all religions will face death,,no big deal,,its the living that will have to pick up the pieces,,God never promise humans that humans will have an immortal life on Earth. Only blind religious nut jobs will blame God for deaths etc. When death is part of life,
     
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    When I see so many maggots in white making such a show of their going to churches, I wonder about the so-called Christian god.
    Accepting those cockroaches in white into their fold despite their brutal screwing of sinkaporeans?

    And as seen earlier, Christian god is even more blood thirsty than a rabid jihadist.
    Entire nations could be slaughtered to make Jews, the chosen race, have what they want.
    Giving nukes to the Jews and phosphorus shells and cluster bombs to rain down on children of the people they stole their land from.

    If that is the kind of Christian god, I do not want any part of them.

    Maybe that is why maggots in white go to church for that kind of god.
     
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    God, according to Christ is merciful and forgiving. The earlier, Old Testament versions of God were cruel and demanded offerings etc. The Jews were questioning what God wanted from them, and Jesus was the one who came with the good news. Unfortunately many Jews chose to remain with the old God. As Saint Paul had said, let not the Gentiles carry the yoke of the Jews.

    Cheers!
     
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    is it version 2.0 god that is merciful or version 2.5? really? can hitler suddenly be kind and gentle to the jews after gassing the lot to death in WW2?

    please exercise some common sense!
     
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    God according to Christ, is merciful and forgiving, whichever version, it doesn't matter. Hitler is not God.

    Cheers!

     
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    *face palm*

    you just don't get it, do you?
     
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    Maybe I don't. What's God got to do with what people do?

    Cheers!
     
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    let me rephrase your statement.

    "Maybe I don't. What's SANTA CLAUS got to do with what people do?"
     
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    Santa helps folks celebrate Christmas by helping distribute toys to good kids. Aiyah, everybody knows this.

    Cheers!
     
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    see beh kum lan.
     
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    Santa is not real lah . Everybody know this . Anyone can buy a Santa costume ;)
     
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    I though " god " love to watch you 24/7 and make sure u behave ? ;)
     
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    I thought the first old testament is the most original bible ? That's why they said " god " is cruel ;)
     
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    The Old Testament is archaic and outdated. The New Testament for Jesus is more compatible with modern ways. No one cares about originality, there's none.

    Cheers!
     
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    No. How do you know that God watches people? Hasn't God more important/entertaining things to do than watch people?

    Cheers!
     
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    He lives in the North Pole. Every year, lots of people write and send him postcards. Look out your window on Christmas Eve, you're lucky you might catch a glimpse of a chariot pulled by some reindeers!

    Cheers!
     

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