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Serious "The Japanese Tribe - What Makes It Work?" by Gregory Clark

Do you think Japan is the BEST (even though obviously still FAR FROM perfect) country in the world?

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musashi

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The Japanese Tribe
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written in 1992 by:
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'The Japanese do not like dry, rationalistic argument. They will have a Shinto wedding, be educated in a vaguely Confucian ethic and when they die they have a Buddhist funeral. The Japanese see no contradiction in this at all.'

THE JAPANESE TRIBE: WHAT MAKES IT WORK?
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My interest in Japan began as a result of an earlier involvement with China. Many years ago the Australian Government spent a lot of money teaching me the Chinese language. Later we had a small disagreement over the recognition of China back in the sixties, and so I moved into Japanese studies and economics. Like most people involved with Japan or the Far East, I took a fairly simple view of things: China was the source of Oriental culture; at the other extreme was Western culture - rationalistic, scientific, individualistic; Japan was somewhere in between. That view said that while the roots of Japanese culture were in the Orient - Confucianism, Buddhism and so on - Japan had somehow, as a result of an unusual history, become much more influenced by Western thinking than China had. From this it would follow that China was the difficult country to understand; Japan would be much easier. In fact it was the exact reverse. In basic thinking and culture, the Chinese are remarkably close to us Westerners. It is Japan which is the odd man out. We face a culture quite different from anything we know. By culture I'm not talking about language or using chopsticks. I'm talking about something deeper, namely values, ways of thinking. At this level the Chinese are much more like ourselves than the Japanese are.

The Chinese are individualistic. We see this very clearly now in Singapore, where annual turnover ratios are now around twenty per cent. In Taiwan and Hong Kong it is much the same. The young Chinese employee has little emotional attachment to the enterprise. The enterprise is simply the place you go to earn money and make a career, and if you can get a better career elsewhere you have no hesitation in shifting. In Korea, too, as people have a greater choice of employment we see turnover ratios of around fifteen per cent. In Japan, as you know, there's a very low turnover of employment - a level of about two or three per cent. Here we have one of the few statistical benchmarks for value differences.

Speaking more subjectively, the Chinese are people who like to argue as we do; they have a very strong attachment to principles; if anything, Chinese culture puts more emphasis on principles than our own culture. Westerners, particularly Anglo-Saxons, are a little bit more on the pragmatic side, or we're supposed to be. The Chinese have a very strong tendency to absolutism - absolute ideologies, law. In Singapore we see a very good example of a Western style, rationalistic society. If there is a problem, you solve it by the application of principles and intellect. If there are too many children, you put a fine on people for having too many children. If the educated women obey the law better than the uneducated women, and you're worried about a lowering of the IQ of the society, then you provide bonuses for university graduates who have more children. If you have a traffic problem, you impose fines on cars coming into the central district with only one passenger in them. And so on. The other tool the Chinese use is ideology. Confucianism, in the old days; today - Communism.

In all these areas, the Japanese are very different. We know a lot about their dislike of law, their lack of legalism, the twenty or thirty thousand lawyers scratching for a living there (600,000 in the USA). The Japanese do not like dry, rationalistic argument. In their attitude to ideology we see very clear differences. The Japanese lack absolutism. They have their religions, political ideologies, and so on. But the idea that one, and only one ideology is correct, does not get much of an audience in Japan. Your average Japanese are born into a basically secular society. They will have a Shinto wedding. (Shinto is the animistic, tribal religion of Japan. In any other society these animistic religions die out as the society progresses. Japan is a unique example of a society which has held to, and developed, the animistic religion of its origins.) They will be educated in a very vaguely Confucian ethic and live in a society which the government says is capitalist, and free enterprise, but in fact is highly corporatist. When they die they have a Buddhist funeral. The Japanese see no contradiction in this at all.

This is in marked contrast to Korea. Korea is very similar to Japan in its cultural origins. It brought in its culture from China - its written language, Buddhism, and Confucianism. It also brought in the absolutist ethic. So if you are Buddhist, you are a hundred per cent Buddhist. If you are a Confucian, you are a hundred per cent Confucian. This same deep interest in ideology has led 30 per cent of the Korean population to become Christian, and when they become Christian they choose: Catholic, Methodist etc. They drop their earlier Buddhism or Confucianism.

In Japan, even if you become a Christian, you often retain your original Shinto/Buddhist beliefs. To me, this lack of absolutism is a very important cultural benchmark. It identifies Japan as being radically different not only from our Western culture, but different from Korea, different from China, different from India, different from the Middle East. In this sense at least it is unique.

So, there I was, twenty years ago in Japan, trying to work out what was the key to this uniqueness. And the word one moves to increasingly when you live in Japan is - emotional. Now I know this is a word that many people would use least of all about the Japanese. To us the Japanese seem to be a very non-emotional people, in total control of their feelings and expressions. But when you get below the surface of Japan, you will discover a very deep emotionality. We saw some of that emotionalism in the form of an emperor worship and a military fanaticism. In the daily life of the Japanese, too, there's a constant emphasis on feeling, on sentiment, on the heart, on the concept of Joucho (情緒) - highly refined emotion and sensitivity. Then there is the conscious rejection of rationalistic thinking. Rikutsu, which means reason or principle, can easily have bad connotations in Japanese. Joucho is a good word.

But having said this we run into two more problems. How does an "emotional" nation create such a strong society and economy? And secondly, why should this highly unusual culture exist in Japan in the first place?

One day it suddenly occurred to me. Why do we have to explain Japan? Its non-rationalistic, highly developed group culture - another aspect, a facet of the emotionality, I might add - surely is the basic nature of the human being. It goes back to our origins in tribal societies. Initially we were like the Japanese. Certainly we were very group-oriented.

In the tribe, as in Japan, individuals have to conform, they have to suppress anything that disrupts group harmony. Japan is not anti-individualistic in the sense that individualism is an evil. In situations where the group authority is not needed, the Japanese can show some remarkable individualism. But within the framework of the group, the individual is secondary.

The tribe is emotional. It has its myths, taboos, just like Japan. (Emperor worship was a myth, ultimately.) The tribe is highly practical. It remembers to educate its young, to get the crops planted in time, to repair the tools, or otherwise it doesn't survive. And that again is very similar to the practicality of the Japanese.

In short, we may not need to explain Japan. It has simply stayed with something very simple and natural to all of us. To date we've assumed that our move to rationalism was natural, something necessary for progress. And it is, to a certain extent. But as human beings, we all have two sides to our make-up: a tribal, instinctive element, and the rationalistic. Both play a role in the organisation of our societies. The ideal is not the abandonment of the "tribal" and the total concentration on rationalism, on intellectuality and legalism and so on. Rather it is some combination of the two and that, let me suggest, is what Japan is about. It is a society which began with a tribal ethic, a village ethic, and which simply remained with that ethic, developed it and refined it and codified it. At the same time Japan was close enough to China to bring in the rationalism of the Chinese - systems of law, government, science etc - and to combine the two together. The reason why it was able to do this better than most was because it was a large island nation, close to the Eurasian continent. When the Chinese model wasn't enough, it was also able to bring in Western rationalism.

This brings me to the key point in my thesis, namely, why we non-Japanese moved so strongly towards rationalism. Maybe it was because located on the Eurasian mainland, we had to form ourselves into "nations" in competition and conflict with other nations. In the case of China and the Middle East, that competition has been going on for two thousand, three thousand years. If you put people in competition with other people, they must rationalise their existence, explain who they are and why they are. If they're in a war situation they have to bring together large numbers of people to form cohesive armies and states. For these purposes you need strong ideologies, strong principles, the ability to argue and debate, and, on this basis, it is no accident that the people most exposed to conflict and competition with other peoples went ahead first - the Chinese, the Middle Eastern peoples, the peoples of the Indian subcontinent, the Southern Europeans. Those of us most removed from the conflict and competition, namely Japan and North Europe, were able to remain in our original village or feudal state.

'In the daily life of the Japanese,
there's a constant emphasis on feeling,
on sentiment, on the heart.'

THE FEUDAL ASPECT of Japan is very important. To us, "feudal" is a pejorative word. I'm trying to use it in a neutral sense. Obviously there are bad elements in Japan's feudalism. People have to belong to the enterprise, belong to the organisation. Attitudes towards women, towards authority, are "bad" feudal in some ways. But "feudal" can also imply an advanced village ethic, and if any of you study Rousseau and the European idealists of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, you will know what I mean. This is a society where people behave naturally, honestly and co-operatively. Is there anything wrong with that? In fact, it was just these idealists who invented Communism.

They looked at an idealised version of the village and tribal society and said, "This is how man should be. We want to create an ideology to return to it". (Which, of course, is a contradiction in terms, for as Japan shows, tribal/village communalism is a state of mind remote from ideology.) Japan today retains many of the qualities those idealists wanted us to return to. In twenty years in Japan I have never once been expected to give a tip; I have never once been shortchanged. I have left change in a shop and the shop-keeper has run out, down the street, to give me that change back. Forget valuables in a taxi and the chances are more than even, the taxi driver will make an effort to return the goods. Leave a suitcase on a crowded platform at seven o'clock in the morning, and in the evening that suitcase will still be there. If it is not there, it is because some public-minded individual has delivered it into the lost property office, where a very efficient, courteous gentleman will be registering goods handed in, and trying to get them back to their owners.

Where does an ethic like that come from? There is no religion in Japan that says you must behave honestly, there is no law that says you must do that. It is, as I say, a refined village ethic, a refined feudal ethic. The emphasis on craftsmanship in Japan is also part of the feudal ethic, something we Anglo-Saxons used to have and which the Germans and the Scandinavians still retain to some extent. One's identity in the feudal society depends on one's workplace, and the quality of the work one does. You remain in your village, making your pots, making your knives and the quality of these things determines who you are. Why is Madam Thatcher called "Thatcher"? Because, some hundreds of years ago, I assume that her ancestors were thatching. In our Anglo-Saxon societies, our very names came from the craft we were pursuing.

Today we look back on all this as fuddy-duddy. We've renounced feudalism. But let me suggest that with us Anglo-Saxons, as in Japan today, these values were a very important element in our early industrialisation. Today our theories say economic growth and social progress is a straight line. The more we move away from the tribal and the feudal to the rational, the more we go ahead. But in that case, how do we explain China, India and the Middle Eastern peoples? These are highly rationalistic people. Have any of you tried to argue with an Indian? We Anglo-Saxons, not to mention the Japanese, cannot match the brilliance of the best Chinese, Indian, Middle Easterners or Southern Europeans when it comes to politics or diplomacy. And yet, they are in economic trouble. The older these civilisations are, the more they are in trouble. So, instead of using a straight line approach, we should come back to what I've been trying to suggest - namely the ideal is a mixture of the tribal and the rationalistic - a curve - Japan is still on the rising slope of the curve. We Anglo-Saxons and North Europeans have just recently moved beyond the peak, and are now clearly moving on a downward slope. The first North European society to leave feudalism and reach the apex, so to speak, was England of the Industrial Revolution. The one furthest down the downward slope today is England. Germany was the last. Germany still retains some feudal aspects, as Japan does. This also explains the very curious affinity the Germans and Japanese feel for each other, and the emotionalism of their past militarism.

Today, many say that the key to Japan, the key to the progress of the East Asian economies is Confucianism. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. But what did they say 30 years ago, when the Taiwan economy was absolutely flat, when South Korea was doing worse than North Korea? Then the dogma said that even Communism was better than Confucianism. Confucianism is an over-refined rationalistic ethic. The people most respected are scholars and bureaucrats. Mandarins. Now, if you're living in Canberra or Beijing, these may be great qualifications. But are these people of any use in the creation of industrial societies? This was the problem in the traditional Confucian societies. You had a very highly educated, intellectual elite but they were quite useless for building factories. Rationalistic ethics, including Confucianism, says that if you have to make money you do it with your brains rather than with your hands. Therefore, service industry, banking, speculation and so on are superior. But as they began to fall behind, the Confucian societies of East Asia - Taiwan and Korea - realised they had to change. And because they had an educated population, and infrastructure, they simply created a situation where people could make a lot of money out of manufacturing, and on this basis they spurted ahead. But today they run into a ceiling of exactly the same nature as our rationalistic Western societies - high mobility of labour; young people and educated people who do not want to go into manufacturing; class divisions in the factory ...

Japan is very different. Its manufacturing sector is probably as close to perfection as you could possibly want. Young educated people are happy to go into manufacturing. Making things of quality is still seen as something important.

Some may ask that if the Japanese are not rationalistic, then how do they create their technologies, and long-term strategies? But technology is largely a matter of simply wanting to make a better "widget". It's something elemental in all of us, just as in tribal society, people try to make a better hoe or rake. The English Industrial Revolution had little to do with abstract, scientific technology. It was practical technology. In the area of pure science, scientific technology, the Japanese are still very backward. There are few Nobel Prize winners in Japan. PhDs are not appreciated in many areas of Japanese society.

The key to Japan's progress is a highly refined version of the tribal survival instinct. The enterprise is the tribe. You belong to it. If that enterprise goes down, you go down, Your identity lies in that enterprise. Faced with competition, everybody gets in there and works that much harder to save their enterprise. Indeed, they artificially create crises and competition. Go into Toyota and you will hear the constant pep talks about how "Nissan is out to beat us." And if it's not Nissan, then it is the Koreans. Or the world economy is about to fall apart, or there is the oil shock. The punch line is - we have to try harder - gambaru. They love this word, gambaru. You don't use your brains, you use guts and spirit. So off they go and they devise another widget or "Just in time" system which can move up the productivity a few more steps.

What happens in a rationalistic society, if your company is in trouble from competition? You get out of that company as quick as you can and you join the strength. That's fine for IBM, but what happens to everyone else? In Japan it's almost the reverse. The more trouble your company is in, the harder you work. If you need technology - you just go out and get that technology. You buy it, steal it, beg it, borrow it. It's the survival instinct. Look at the Vietnamese. Today they can't even run a textile mill. Yet once they had jungle factories to produce weapons. They had a road built down fifteen hundred kilometres of difficult mountain terrain which received a B-52 bombing every day, and yet they still kept the trucks going. How did Afghani tribesmen with no education at all manage to operate the Stinger rockets against the Soviet helicopters? In a survival situation, anyone can create productivity. It's as simple as that.

'The key to Japan's progress
is a highly refined version of
the tribal survival instinct.
The enterprise is the tribe.
You belong to it.
If the enterprise goes down,
you go down.'

Similarly with the long-term strategies that are supposed to be an important element in Japan's success. You do not have to go to a university to have long-term strategy. Think how you behave in that institution called the family. Are you thinking about profits three months ahead, six months ahead? Of course not. You automatically think ten years ahead, twenty years ahead. It is almost a cliche in Japan that the enterprise is "the farmily". So they automatically think long-term, about the investment needed to get the new products into production years ahead. What has to be explained is why we think short-term. It is a very good example of rationalistic thinking gone wrong. We say to ourselves - why does the enterprise exist? Answer: to produce profits. And we reward people according to the profits they produce. Everything is reduced to the next balance sheet.

The so-called brilliance of management systems in Japan is the same. In your family, do you have lifetime employment or contractual, hire and fire employment? Do you have merit promotion or seniority promotion? Do you have a high mobility of labour? Do you have lateral recruitment? Come to think of it, we used to be like the Japanese. I joined the Australian Department of External Affairs in 1957. In those days our bureaucracy operated just like a Japanese organisation. Very strong esprit de corps, lifetime employment and seniority promotion. And I was the class of '57, and automatically, the class of '56, the class of '55, looked after us as "younger brothers", as in Japan. (In a Japanese enterprise you are automatically ranked according to year of entry.) And as in Japan, everything was done to make sure our 1957 cohort bonded together. Part of that bonding came from being promoted together, at least to begin with (again as in Japan).

Sometime later, the efficiency experts were called in. They said, "You can't have seniority promotion! You've got to have merit promotion." From that moment on, rivalry was created. Since then it's got a lot worse; and as a result the productivity and efficiency of that particular part of the bureaucracy at least has gone downhill.

Rationalism obviously has good elements. But we have failed to realise that you can carry your logic and principles too far. You deny the human factor. And the Japanese enterprise par excellence has retained the human factor, particularly in manufacturing where they are subjected to such competition. The service sector is much more backward, only because the threat to survival is much weaker. Indeed, in large areas of the service sector the Japanese are way behind us. Productivity is much lower.

If Japan overall is efficient, that is not because of some superior rationalism. It is because overall the tribal ethic works better than ours does.

LOOKING FROM JAPAN, I am very concerned about our Anglo-Saxon societies. Every Anglo-Saxon culture society is in trouble. Yet it was our Anglo-Saxon culture that was closest to that of Japan: the culture of an island society, a very strong emphasis on group spirit, non-intellectuality, things were "Just done", rules were unexplained rules, that is taboos. We too were tribal and once it gave us an extraordinary dynamism. But what happens when what they call in Japan, the kuki, the "atmosphere" of the tribal society disintegrates? Our "scientific" rationalism is half-baked and we lack the fall-back of European continental civilisation. We are left with a vacuum. That is what we see in the Anglo-Saxon societies today.

Japan faces the same problem too, eventually. There is no doubt that the "atmosphere" is beginning to deteriorate. The younger people do not show the same feudal loyalty to the enterprise that their parents did. We are just starting to see some dishonesty, shoplifting and so on, marring the village honesty of the past. But Japan's disintegration is at least another twenty to 30 years down the line. It is long-term, when, as somebody once said, we will all be dead. In the short term, we are the ones in trouble. I refer particularly to Australia. Until the rationalist ethic took hold, we had a remarkably successful society. With a population of seven or eight million people, we were producing a full range of manufactured goods. We were stable, honest, as in Japan. In fact, in the case of Australia, we not only had the inherited Anglo-Saxon ethic. We had the "bush" ethic, mateship, which, of course, is also a form of group ethic. You depended on your mates for survival. The larrikin ethic has an exact equivalent in Japanese. The egalitarianism of Japan is very similar to the egalitarianism of Australia. So too is the dislike of intellectuality. In Australia we say "you cut the tall poppies"; in Japan they say "you beat down the nail that protrudes". The non-ideological nature of the Australian and the classlessness of Australia also matched what we see in Japan. The main difference between us is that the Japanese have expanded and refined the rules of the group ethic, discouraging individualism en route. And in recent decades the Australian group ethic has greatly weakened, with little to replace it. Indeed the politics we see in Canberra today represent the Australian version of the group ethic in its death throes.

YOU do not have to go to a university to have long-term strategy.
Think how you behave in that institution called the family.
Are you thinking about profits three months ahead, six months ahead?
Of course not.


 

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mojito

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It’s all because of immigrants and their immoral attitudes that is corrupting Australian society. Out! :mad:
 

eatshitndie

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that was written in 1992, at the peak of japan’s inflated wealth and just before the real estate bubble burst bringing down with it loan and finance companies, and banks. and multiple lives as many committed suicide. 26 years later japan has not recovered from that financial and economic disaster. many are left homeless and destitute for 2 decades, and now they are no longer hiding but spilling into very visible public spaces in every major city. how wrong the author was. wish he writes a piece for what’s happening today, not just before the bust. in a way he jinxed japan with that stupid article.
 

kryonlight

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that was written in 1992, at the peak of japan’s inflated wealth and just before the real estate bubble burst bringing down with it loan and finance companies, and banks. and multiple lives as many committed suicide. 26 years later japan has not recovered from that financial and economic disaster. many are left homeless and destitute for 2 decades, and now they are no longer hiding but spilling into very visible public spaces in every major city. how wrong the author was. wish he writes a piece for what’s happening today, not just before the bust. in a way he jinxed japan with that stupid article.

Is the same fate awaiting for Cina as well? Can't wait for Cina to crash.
 

tanwahtiu

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Where a country produced 100 lawyers: 4 engineers it loses their moral human attributes.

Japan has 30K lawyers where Chao AMoh has 600k of trouble makers thugs lawyers.


It’s all because of immigrants and their immoral attitudes that is corrupting Australian society. Out! :mad:
 

syed putra

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Is the same fate awaiting for Cina as well? Can't wait for Cina to crash.
I will be the first to celebrate. But maybe this is the reason why xi jinping took drastic step to becomes leader for life. In case of economic catastrophe, there will be no power struggle and focus is on rebuilding.
 

kelton65

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that was written in 1992, at the peak of japan’s inflated wealth and just before the real estate bubble burst bringing down with it loan and finance companies, and banks. and multiple lives as many committed suicide. 26 years later japan has not recovered from that financial and economic disaster. many are left homeless and destitute for 2 decades, and now they are no longer hiding but spilling into very visible public spaces in every major city. how wrong the author was. wish he writes a piece for what’s happening today, not just before the bust. in a way he jinxed japan with that stupid article.

Yup and Japanese are losing their tech talents to rival countries as well. Seniority, rather than aptitude determine your ranking in the work place. Japan is dying slowly and it's people are fine with it.
 

musashi

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that was written in 1992, at the peak of japan’s inflated wealth and just before the real estate bubble burst bringing down with it loan and finance companies, and banks. and multiple lives as many committed suicide. 26 years later japan has not recovered from that financial and economic disaster. many are left homeless and destitute for 2 decades, and now they are no longer hiding but spilling into very visible public spaces in every major city. how wrong the author was. wish he writes a piece for what’s happening today, not just before the bust. in a way he jinxed japan with that stupid article.
Please forgive me, eatshitndie-sama!
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I've been in a pro-Japan mood for the past few months.
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Yes, Japan has obviously never been perfect, and it's still far from perfect. :(
But I dare say that since World War 2 ended, especially after the:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_course
started in the late 1940s mainly because the "mighty" USA (or US government) needed Japan's support against Communism in East Asia (but mainly against Mainland China), mainstream Japanese culture (
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) has been superior to the mainstream cultures of all other countries in the world.
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eatshitndie

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Please forgive me, eatshitndie-sama!
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I've been in a pro-Japan mood for the past few months.
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Yes, Japan has obviously never been perfect, and it's still far from perfect. :(
But I dare say that since World War 2 ended, especially after the:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_course
started in the late 1940s mainly because the "mighty" USA (or US government) needed Japan's support against Communism in East Asia (but mainly against Mainland China), mainstream Japanese culture (
bow-gif.40441
) has been superior to the mainstream cultures of all other countries in the world.
wink-gif.40439
:p
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jap culture is a joke. do not be deceived. while on the surface it looks pristine, polite and seemingly perfect, deep inside is rotten and full of maggots eating at its core. just look at a simple case of children abandonment (and orphanages). among oecd nations, it's not only the worst but the stats, facts and reality shock even japs themselves. parents simply abandon them in "institutions" ("orphanage" is too harsh a word for face-saving japs), mothers abandon entire families including children and either go with other men as hubbies can no longer support their lifestyles, and foster care is the worst among oecd cuntries as parents and single moms refuse to allow others to adopt and take kids in into foster care (very selfish nature of japs). they would rather have their kids grow up in "institutions" than some other parents or families take care of them. i wrote about this before on another thread (apparently some moron here is praising the japs sky high but has no clue what is really happening on the ground). here's an insight from a jap woman who volunteers and found an organization to help needy kids, and found herself shocked with the reality from first hand experience. i highlighted middle of article in bold for some quick reading if there's no time.

https://japantoday.com/category/fea...ns-child-inequality-poor-orphanage-conditions

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'3keys' NPO founder sheds light on Japan’s poor orphanage conditions
May 26, 2016 05:00 am JST 19 Comments

By Alexandra Homma

TOKYO
It wasn’t until her last years in university when Takae Moriyama — founder of the Tokyo-based NPO "3keys" supporting underprivileged children in Japan — first learned of the appalling state of the country’s orphanages, and it only was a matter of coincidence. In a period of self-reflection, she recalls, she found herself browsing online for answers to a question that had been haunting her for a while: How is Japan protecting its people and what could she do to contribute to the society? What she found, however, were even more questions when she stumbled across a call for volunteers at a local foster home — right across from the corner of her home.

“It struck me that it had been here all my life and I never knew of its existence,” Moriyama says in a recent interview with Japan Today. “I instantly felt the need to offer my assistance.” At past 20, this was her first encounter with a state-run orphanage, known in Japanese as jido yogo shisetsu.

The initial shock, however, was subordinate to what she experienced when she began volunteering at the institution. “The staff were swamped with work and the children were not even close to the academic level for their age,” Moriyama says. "The gap (with the world outside) was enormous," she adds, recalling that at the time she was simultaneously working as a tutor at a private school “where junior high school students were studying university math and other had experienced studying abroad.” At the orphanage, however, she would feel as if the time had stopped years ago.

A well-hidden social stigma, yet a subject to a very dark reality, orphanages abound in Japan. There were 602 foster homes across the country as of September 2015, according to the latest data provided by Japan’s Orphanage Association. There are 59 in Tokyo alone. A total of 29,979 children aged between 0 to 18 lived in those facilities, according to government estimates from February 2013 — the last time the conditions in these institutions were surveyed on a national level. The number of orphanage staff, on the other hand, stood at 15,575 in the same year — including a vast majority of volunteers and temporary staff the facilities are almost completely reliant on.

“The state budget allocated for orphanages is highly insufficient, making the work conditions unfavorable and the employees overworked,” Moriyama says. “In between managing everything on site, the staff simply don’t have the capacity to fully meet the children's needs nor prepare them for a life on their own after they leave the facility. Usually there are 30 to 100 children per orphanage, whereas one employee would on the average care for five children. The conditions aren't even close to favorable neither for the staff nor the children."

The majority of children living in Japan’s orphanages have living parents, who have had to — due to various reasons, including financial and mental instability — ask the facilities to take over their parental duties. The children spend an average of five years in an orphanage, though many end up being raised there. Only a few of them are adopted, Moriyama explains. Furthermore, whereas in post-war Japan the majority of such facilities served as homes for poverty-stricken war orphans, most of the children living there today are victims of domestic violence or neglect. According to the latest government statistics, with 38% of all jido yogo shisetsu children being there as a result of persistent domestic violence, and 59.3% having experienced parental neglect at least once, today's orphanages stand on the verge of being close to shelters. With a complex family history, persistent insecurity and little support resources, these orphaned children are put in a very precarious emotional state of mind, which many of them find it difficult to emerge from.

“At present, the government’s budget is mostly allocated to seniors, because Japan's bureaucrats generally believe that children are cared after by their parents. However, if you see last year's statistics only, there were 90,000 domestically abused children throughout Japan. That means that these 90,000 children a year cannot rely on their family’s support and with limited assistance from the government, their welfare becomes a major concern, ” Moriyama says.

It was exactly this drastic gap between "information we receive and the reality" that Moriyama witnessed in Japan’s orphanages that prompted her to establish 3keys seven years ago at the age of 22. “We wanted to provide all children with the opportunity to grow up without giving up or losing faith in the society,” she recalls.

Based on three founding principles — (creating an) “occasion,” (building) "bonds” and (promoting) “hope” — 3keys, a still-relatively small, though persistently growing NPO, was founded in 2009 as a private body to fill in the gaps in the current system — assist the children with educational support, raise awareness of Japan's orphanage conditions and establish a support network for children to report on potential abuse and seek help.

Currently operating in approximately 20 orphanages in Tokyo and Yokohama, 3keys annually dispatches 70 volunteer tutors to foster homes for an average of six to 12 months. During this time, the volunteers invest time in gaining children's trust while helping them improve their knowledge of basic school subjects — as well as offer them someone to talk to whenever they need it.

“It takes a long time for the kids to open up. They’ve been through a lot and they’ve become used to seeing people come and go all the time,” Moriyama says, adding that it is also an arduous task to make the children believe that education is important.

“They are attending public schools until the end of junior high, because it’s compulsory. But the word ‘attending’ is tricky, because in most cases they sit on their desks without understanding the lecture, as a result of which some spend a considerable amount of time at the nurse's room or end up not attending school altogether. They don’t see much meaning in education, because they are under the impression that their lives will not be affected by it. They know that they have to leave the facility and start working. Many of these kids also haven’t experienced the benefits of education. They somewhat understand the need for education, but they can't grasp why they can't be on par with their classmates."

The data supports Moriyama's words. While 83.2% of the children expressed motivation to enrol in high school, less than 25% wished to attend university or a specialized school, according to the above-mentioned 2013 national survey. On the contrary, a combined 71.6% of them answered that they are either "not considering continuing education" or they "don't want to."

Under the current regulations, despite the legal age in Japan being 20, children living in orphanages must leave the system as soon as they reach 18. "The facilities just can't keep up," Moriyama says, not hiding her frustration. In a society where children are not (as of present) allowed to vote or conduct any acts commonly attributed to adults before they reach 20, the system releases the orphanage minors on their own at 18, but without properly preparing them for being independent — simply because the orphanages can't afford it.

"Even if they end up attending school, many of them quit, become homeless, or in the case of girls, they may turn to night work to make ends meet," Moriyama says. "Japan at a glance is an affluent society, but behind the scenes, one in six children lives in poverty. But we rarely hear of this."

Though the contribution that Moriyama and her team are achieving in supporting Japan's unprivileged children may still be small in her perspective, the NPO is persistently making steps toward raising awareness of the problem. "We have a growing network of volunteers who support our activities in various ways," she says. "We also see a considerable increase in private and corporate investors expressing interest in our activities. Our seminars for recruiting volunteer tutors are always full," she smiles for the first time in our conversation, sharing that she feels inspired that more and more people are beginning to realize that things need to change.

But while the base is paved, where is Moriyama heading next?

Helping another group of children who are suffering without being able to rely on anyone, she says. “Currently we can only help children who are already living in an orphanage, but we can’t locate those who are secretly abused. The public only discovers alarming cases after a child has committed a crime, a suicide, or has fallen a victim to domestic violence. "Prevention," is what we want to emphasize on as our next step," she explains.

In April this year, the NPO launched an online SOS portal for children, called "MeX," ("Me" plus "X" for connection) which links children seeking help with related organizations and professionals who can provide them with timely help and continuous support.

"The ultimate goal, however, for which the whole society should work on, is to provide a system that helps all children feel secure, loved and protected. It is also crucial to increase orphanage staff and support for providing the children with new foster families," Moriyama concludes. "It is simply impossible to provide full care for them at the facilities only. The children need real homes and safe environment. Being raised at a place which they know they have to eventually leave makes their life vision very temporal."
 

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another article by time on jap's "orphanage" and foster care problem.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2081820,00.html

Disaster Highlights Plight of Japanese Orphans
By Lucy Birmingham / Tokyo Sunday, July 10, 2011
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An infant earthquake victim rests at an evacuation center on March 27, 2011 in Kesennuma, Miyagi Prefecture, Japan.

When concerned foreigners began contacting Japanese agencies about adopting children orphaned by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, they were told, "No, thank you. We can take care of our own." Though Japanese families occasionally adopt males to continue the family line, adoption is relatively rare here. Relative wealth, good social services and a shrinking population generally keep the numbers of orphans low.

In the aftermath of the disaster, however, there are growing concerns that the country is not, in fact, caring for its own. About 200 children lost both parents and an additional 1,200 lost one parent to the earthquake or tsunami. Most of the orphans are now living with relatives, but with unemployment at 90% in some areas orphanages may become the only option. It is very difficult, though, to get kids out of these welfare institutions and into permanent homes.

The problem is twofold. Many Japanese still consider adoption shameful, and children, when grown, are expected to take care of their elders. If a family is struggling financially or a guardian is deemed to be abusive, it may have to put a child into an orphanage, but refuse to put the child up for adoption. "Although they grow up in a facility, it's expected they'll take care of their parents or relatives once they leave," explains Sarah Gordon of adoption agency Ai No Kesshin (Loving Decisions), located in Shizuoka west of Tokyo. "People here have very strong feelings about bloodlines." This means few children are available for full, legal adoption. In 2009, only 10% of the 37,600-plus children under 18 living in welfare institutions were adopted or taken in by foster families, government statistics show. Many facilities are overcrowded as the reported number of child abuse cases has increased since a a child abuse prevention law was enacted in 2000.

For American Leza Lowitz and her Japanese husband Shogo Oketani, it was a joyous day when they were finally able to bring home their adopted 2-year-old son Yuto. The waiting for an available child had been difficult. Although the couple were solid parental candidates as Tokyo homeowners in a long-term marriage, and adoption in their respective families, they were both in their mid-40s and considered low priority. "We said we'd take any child available. It was a huge leap of faith," said Lowitz. "Yuto was an unusual case and the orphanage was very eager to find him a family." The only child available out of 100 in one orphanage, he'd already been adopted once and brought back when things didn't work out.

"Since there are so many children in orphanages who can't be legally adopted out, the adoption system [in Japan] needs to change," says Lowitz. "It's not serving the children or the society." She cites the need for counseling birth parents considering an orphanage or adoption for their child, and also a statute of limitations on legal parental claim. Now, unless a parent relinquishes their rights as legal guardian, a child cannot be adopted even if they live in a welfare facility long-term. "The reality is that very few take them back or even visit. It's just heartbreaking."

Kids living in orphanages are sometimes called "throw away children." In Japanese society the social stigma of not having a family can be crippling, especially when its time to leave the facility, usually at age 15-18. "When I was growing up in orphanages I sensed the staff was fulfilling their responsibilities but I didn't feel protected or loved," reveals Sayuri Watai, 27, founder of a support organization run by and for 'graduates' of childhood welfare facilities. Leaving child welfare facilities can be overwhelming, she says. "When I had to leave the orphanage I was all alone. I had no one to turn to," she reveals.

Improving privacy and promoting temporary foster care programs might help ease the heart-ache. One major reason adoption rates are low is the lack of confidentiality in the Japanese family registry, called koseki. One form, requested by some employers and even potential spouses, lists information on all marriages, divorces, deaths, births and adoptions. A child listed as adopted out of the family is potentially embarrassing, as it may be seen as a sign the child was unplanned or unwanted. "The koseki system is handy because all records are kept in one place, but the lack of privacy is a problem," says Gordon.
http://china.blogs.time.com/2008/06/04/adopting_quake_orphans/
Fostering, a short-term alternative to adopting, was only recently promoted in Japan. With the government's "Child Rearing Vision" established in January last year the aim is to increase the percentage of children with foster families from 6% in 2000 to 16% in 2014. In Tokyo the number of registered foster families has doubled from 215 in 1998 to 445 in 2010. A program called "Hotto Family" has been the focus. "Compared with other industrialized countries, Japan's foster home care system is not well established," says Toshinari Suetake with the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare. "But efforts are being made to change this."

Until the system does change, there are organizations and individuals offering some help. Tokyo-based, NPO Ashinaga (named for the novel "Daddy-Long-Legs"), provides school scholarships, living expenses and counseling for orphans and children of single-parent households. (UNICEF defines 'orphan' as a child who has lost one or both parents.) From the disaster-affected Tohoku region, the group has received over 1,100 applications for assistance. They'll be able to fulfill these thanks to a recent surge in donations of 1.7 billion yen (US$21 million).

One exceptional donor is telecommunications billionaire Masayoshi Son, president and CEO of Softbank Corp., who announced in May that he will donate 10 billion yen (US$125 million) of his personal fortune to disaster relief efforts. Four billion yen ($50 million) of that will be aid to orphans. The focus will be on offering the children scholarships and support for overseas education. Son added that he will also be donating to orphan relief efforts his entire 108 million yen (US$1.3 million) annual salary until the day he retires.

Other recent efforts include the Candle Fund, an NGO founded by Rie Sasaki-Herman. The aim is financial and emotional support for mothers, children and orphans of the disaster. "So far, the focus in the Tohoku region has been on adults," says Sasaki-Herman. "Now it is the voice of children that needs to be heard."
 

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another article by hrw on the jap "throwaway children" issue...

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/05/01/witness-lack-support-japanese-orphanages

May 1, 2014 12:00AM EDT
Witness: Lack of Support in Japanese Orphanages

Amy Braunschweiger
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Beds in sleeping quarters for elementary school girls at a child care institution in Iwate prefecture. Eight girls share a room, and the space on their own bed is the only place children are allowed some privacy. Even such privacy is guaranteed only by a simple curtain surrounding each bed, August 2012.

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Masashi Suzuki sat in the quiet upstairs level of the McDonald’s in a Tokyo suburb. The restaurant was bright and cheerful, but Masashi’s expression was somber. His parents abandoned him as a baby, he said slowly, in a listless voice. From age 2 he lived in agovernment-funded institution in Funabashi, Chiba prefecture, just south of Tokyo. He explained that he was released from the institution at 18, and over the past two years, he’d been through 20 different jobs. He had also skirted being homeless, he said, sounding deeply exhausted. Masashi cared about his appearance – he wore fashionable, albeit worn, clothes and had styled his hair – but a sense of isolation clung to him.

“A day feels like it never ends,” he said, sighing.

It gradually became clear that, growing up in an institution, Masashi hadn’t acquired the knowledge and life-skills necessary to live independently. Nor had he received the continuing support he needed to re-enter Japanese society.

Nearly 34,000 children in Japan live in institutions after being taken from or abandoned by their parents. This is in stark contrast to what happens in the majority of developed countries, which place most such children in foster homes or with adoptive families. That gives the children a better chance at being raised in a home with love and support, according to a new report, Without Dreams.

Living in an institution is especially damaging for children younger than 3, as Masashi was when he entered an institution, because they lose the opportunity to bond with adults. Numerous studies show that this puts the children at high risk of delayed mental, emotional and even physical development. It’s also a poor environment for older children. In Japan, there are too few staff members to tend to all the children, and bullying is a frequent problem. Even high-school-age children may have to share a room with several others, and share a bathroom with dozens of kids.

Once they leave the institutions, these children are often poorly prepared to fend for themselves. Many end up unemployed or trapped in low-paying jobs, and some even become homeless.

What Masashi didn’t say about his life resonated as much as what he did say.

The institution where he lived, named Oncho-en, became infamous in Japan when its director, Hiroshi Oohama, as well as the director’s son, Akira, who also worked there, were put on trial. They beat the children as a matter of routine, and forced the children to kneel on the floor in the traditional Japaneseseiza style for hours, forbidding the children to move even when they soiled themselves. Akira Oohama was sentenced to prison for sexual assault and rape of a 12-year-old girl living in the institution. The director received a suspended sentence.

The Oohamas were arrested when Masashi was about 9, yet Masashi said he could not remember much about the abuse in the institution, although it was probably part of his day-to-day life. He did, however, recall being bitten by the director’s dog. More cases of abuse in institutions came to light between the late 1990s to mid-2000s, and after these revelations, many of the worst abuses stopped.

What did upset Masashi was that the institution’s staff encouraged him to become certified as a having a disability because he scored slightly below average on his IQ test, he said. He resents having been sent to a high school for students with disabilities. He is also frustrated that he wasn’t encouraged to study and learnin the institution – although he admits that he should have motivated himself. “I’m barely disabled,” he said.

Today, he has trouble reading and doing basic math – both necessary skills for most jobs. He was hired by an interior decoration company, but found he wasn’t always able to read instructions.

Masashi said he was never able to obtain a driver’s license, which costs 200,000 to 300,000 yen (US$2,000 to $3,000), because at the time, neither the institution nor the government subsidized it. Today, children do receive subsidies to obtain a drivers’ license, though the 55,000 yen ($550) isn’t enough. His lack of a license has led to fewer job opportunities, he said.

He has an apartment now, but he used to spend the night in a park, or in a cubicle at the Manga Café, where people sometimes take shelter because it’s cheaper than a motel.

Despite his troubles, he is more worried about his older brother, who grew up in the same institution. Masashi’s brother is about to become homeless, Masashi said. His brother’s situation is much worse than his own. His other friends from the institution aren’t doing well, either. Some are male companions at a club; none have permanent, full-time work. Some of his friends have babies of their own, but aren’t caring for their children.

“Life is not such a smooth ride,” he said.
 

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ousands-still-institutionalized-idUSKCN0ZD2ZW

Japan revamps child welfare, but tens of thousands still institutionalized

Chang-Ran Kim
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TOKYO (Reuters) - A baby lies in a metal-bar cot drinking from a bottle perched on his pillow in a Tokyo orphanage. There’s no one to hold and feed him or offer words of comfort.

The director of the institution, nurses scurrying busily around him, says he would like extra time and staff to pay more attention to the 70 babies and toddlers under his care, but it’s not going to happen.

“I wish we could hold them in our arms, one by one,” says Yoshio Imada. “Some people call this abuse. It’s a difficult situation.”

Japan last month passed a bill overhauling its 70-year-old Child Welfare Law, recognizing a child’s right to grow up in a family setting. It is short on specific, immediate measures, but experts say it’s a first step to making institutions a last resort, rather than the default position.

A staggering 85 percent of the 40,000 children who can’t live with their parents in Japan are institutionalized, by far the highest ratio among rich countries and prompting repeated warnings from the United Nations. Even with the revised law, Japan’s goal isn’t lofty: family-based care for a third of those children by 2029.

The statistics raise the question: where can foster parents be found for tens of thousands of children in need?

“We do the best we can but it’s obvious that a one-on-one relationship that foster parents provide is better,” says Kazumitsu Tsuru, who heads another infant institution in Tokyo.

“All children need someone who is dedicated only to them.”

A major hindrance is a lack of awareness about the fostering system - there are just 10,200 registered foster families, while adoptions are even rarer, at 544 last year. And in a society that treasures uniformity and blood ties, fostered or adopted children are often stigmatized.

A rise in reports of child abuse has also proved a stumbling block. Welfare workers are too busy taking children out of immediate harm. Placing them in institutions is faster than finding a foster family.

Too busy with the next victim, welfare workers also have little time to follow up with those children, leaving them to languish for years.

STARVED OF ATTENTION
One foster mother knows all too well how harmful institutionalization can be.

Foster mother Asako Yoshinari and her 2-month-old foster baby boy are pictured at her home in Inzai, Chiba prefecture, Japan, June 24, 2016. Picture taken June 24, 2016. REUTERS/Toru Hanai
Now 16, her foster son lulls himself to sleep by pounding his head against his pillow for several minutes. It’s a habit he picked up as an attention-starved child growing up in institutions until he turned six. He is a charming boy, his foster mother says, but erratic.

“When I call him out on something he does wrong, he lashes out at me as if he can do whatever he wants,” she says.

“He’ll do hateful things and at other times he’ll say, ‘Mummy, I love you,’ in a childish voice that’s not normal for a teenage boy. The emotional ups-and-downs wear you out.”

Another mother describes a child she took in from an institution at age five, just when he was beginning to realize he had no family. He flew into fits of rage at school and was afraid to leave the house. Needing to test his new family’s affection, he would ask: “Mummy, what would you do if I died?” At other times, he would beg to be fed milk out of a bottle in his foster mother’s lap.

The warehousing of Japan’s most vulnerable highlights the paradox in a country struggling with a stalled birthrate and ballooning social welfare costs as the population ages. Experts say institutionalization costs three times as much as fostering, and that Japan’s tight job market would be better-served by shifting those caregivers to daycare services to allow more women to work.

“I think the role of infant institutions will change,” says Tsuru, adding that, as the primary caregivers, institutions like his could help find babies a match in a foster or adoptive home.

“None of us wants to see a child stay longer here than they need to be.”
 

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https://www.economist.com/news/asia...ake-it-less-absurdly-hard-adopt-orphans-japan

Red tape v orphans
A new law will make it less absurdly hard to adopt orphans in Japan
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Asia
Jun 17th 2016| Tokyo

Culture is one reason, says Yoshiko Takahashi, a manager at the Hiroo orphanage. Most Japanese are reluctant to accept children unrelated by blood. But legal and bureaucratic barriers don’t help. Biological parents remain legal guardians of children who have been institutionalised for years—often promising repeatedly to take their children out of state institutions but never doing so, thus making adoption difficult. Courts are loth to rule firmly against biological parents unable or unwilling to look after their children.

The problem has been getting little political attention, until now. Yasuhisa Shiozaki, the health, labour and welfare minister, has been prodded into action partly by a startling fact: despite Japan’s falling population, and the growing number of childless couples, the number of children in care is rising.

Many are victims of neglect or violence. Those who spend their childhoods in state care often end up unemployed or homeless. According to Kanae Doi of Human Rights Watch, an NGO, over half the children in care are also abused. Crowded dorms offer little privacy, providing less than five square metres per child. Even life in the nicer orphanages takes its toll: Ms Takahashi estimates that 10% of the children at the Hiroo facility are medicated to regulate troublesome behaviour.

Mr Shiozaki’s amendment to the Child Welfare Act, which will take effect next April, aims to place about a third of Japan’s orphans in homes by 2029. It directs orphanages not just to warehouse children, but to seek out foster families for them. Courts will have more power to rule on behalf of adoptive parents.

The changes prioritise family-based care. They are welcome but will require much more support for families if they are to work, says Kazuhiro Kamikado, a child welfare specialist at Nagano University. Changing the law is one thing; changing mindsets quite another.
 

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jap culture is a joke. do not be deceived. while on the surface it looks pristine, polite and seemingly perfect, deep inside is rotten and full of maggots eating at its core.
Many thanks for replying and posting all those articles, eatshitndie-san! :smile:
Believe it or not, I actually bothered to read all five of them and even a few other articles that are linked from those five you posted!
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My father also happens to share your sentiments about overall Japanese culture.
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Anyway, I am not deceived (or at least I don't think I am), but thanks for warning me to not be deceived. :smile:

just look at a simple case of children abandonment (and orphanages). among oecd nations, it's not only the worst but the stats, facts and reality shock even japs themselves. parents simply abandon them in "institutions" ("orphanage" is too harsh a word for face-saving japs), mothers abandon entire families including children and either go with other men as hubbies can no longer support their lifestyles, and foster care is the worst among oecd cuntries as parents and single moms refuse to allow others to adopt and take kids in into foster care (very selfish nature of japs). they would rather have their kids grow up in "institutions" than some other parents or families take care of them. i wrote about this before on another thread (apparently some moron here is praising the japs sky high but has no clue what is really happening on the ground). here's an insight from a jap woman who volunteers and found an organization to help needy kids, and found herself shocked with the reality from first hand experience. i highlighted middle of article in bold for some quick reading if there's no time.
I also pity all those unfortunate, innocent children.
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And to be fair, I did say:
Yes, Japan has obviously never been perfect, and it's still far from perfect. :(
right?
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....mainstream Japanese culture (
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and according to the latest population estimates by the Japanese government:
stat.go.jp/english/data/jinsui/tsuki/index.html
the under-20 age group consists of roughly twenty million people (or children, since Japanese citizens are not considered "adults" until their 20th birthdays), whereas only:
A total of 29,979 children aged between 0 to 18 lived in those facilities, according to government estimates from February 2013 — the last time the conditions in these institutions were surveyed on a national level.
so that's only less than one-fifth of one percent, right?
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To be more precise (and if I've calculated correctly), the current under-20 number is roughly 21.3 million, while the "Final estimates" number for the same age group back in February 2013 was about one million higher at roughly 22.3 million:
e-stat.go.jp/en/stat-search/files?page=1&layout=datalist&toukei=00200524&tstat=000000090001&cycle=1&year=20130&month=23070907&tclass1=000001011678&result_back=1
Even if we include all the non-orphans (or non-abandoned children) who are suffering as victims of poverty (obviously because of their non-mainstream parents' fault), the proportion is still:
"Japan at a glance is an affluent society, but behind the scenes, one in six children lives in poverty. But we rarely hear of this."
which is probably true:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Japan#Child_poverty
In Japan, single mothers struggle with poverty and a ‘culture of shame’ - The Washington Post
Japan's rising child poverty exposes true cost of two decades of economic decline | World news | The Guardian

Please remember that I'm trying to compare the current mainstream (i.e. middle-class, including the lower-middle, middle-middle and upper-middle classes, which constitute the vast majority of the population) cultures between Japan and other countries.
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Obviously, in Japanese middle-class households with young (i.e. under-20) children, the fathers are usually busy earning a living for their families and the mothers are usually housewives busy raising their children.
In Japanese middle-class households with no under-20 children, the young adult children are usually busy working, while their fathers might still be working, but probably at least fifty years old, and their mothers are probably still full-time housewives.

So to be fair, this "children abandonment" issue/problem is fundamentally the fault of those non-mainstream parents and, therefore, not part of Japan's mainstream culture, right?
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But I would agree that certain parts (such as the "children abandonment" issue/problem) of Japan's non-mainstream culture are worse than those in other countries. :(
 

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Many thanks for replying and posting all those articles, eatshitndie-san! :smile:
Believe it or not, I actually bothered to read all five of them and even a few other articles that are linked from those five you posted!
sweatingbullets-gif.40503

My father also happens to share your sentiments about overall Japanese culture.
wink-gif.40439
redface-gif.40438

Anyway, I am not deceived (or at least I don't think I am), but thanks for warning me to not be deceived. :smile:


I also pity all those unfortunate, innocent children.
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And to be fair, I did say:

right?
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Furthermore, I also said:

and according to the latest population estimates by the Japanese government:
stat.go.jp/english/data/jinsui/tsuki/index.html
the under-20 age group consists of roughly twenty million people (or children, since Japanese citizens are not considered "adults" until their 20th birthdays), whereas only:

so that's only less than one-fifth of one percent, right?
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redface-gif.40438

To be more precise (and if I've calculated correctly), the current under-20 number is roughly 21.3 million, while the "Final estimates" number for the same age group back in February 2013 was about one million higher at roughly 22.3 million:
e-stat.go.jp/en/stat-search/files?page=1&layout=datalist&toukei=00200524&tstat=000000090001&cycle=1&year=20130&month=23070907&tclass1=000001011678&result_back=1
Even if we include all the non-orphans (or non-abandoned children) who are suffering as victims of poverty (obviously because of their non-mainstream parents' fault), the proportion is still:

which is probably true:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Japan#Child_poverty
In Japan, single mothers struggle with poverty and a ‘culture of shame’ - The Washington Post
Japan's rising child poverty exposes true cost of two decades of economic decline | World news | The Guardian

Please remember that I'm trying to compare the current mainstream (i.e. middle-class, including the lower-middle, middle-middle and upper-middle classes, which constitute the vast majority of the population) cultures between Japan and other countries.
wink-gif.40439
redface-gif.40438


Obviously, in Japanese middle-class households with young (i.e. under-20) children, the fathers are usually busy earning a living for their families and the mothers are usually housewives busy raising their children.
In Japanese middle-class households with no under-20 children, the young adult children are usually busy working, while their fathers might still be working, but probably at least fifty years old, and their mothers are probably still full-time housewives.

So to be fair, this "children abandonment" issue/problem is fundamentally the fault of those non-mainstream parents and, therefore, not part of Japan's mainstream culture, right?
wink-gif.40439
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But I would agree that certain parts (such as the "children abandonment" issue/problem) of Japan's non-mainstream culture are worse than those in other countries. :(
how can japan, as a cuntry in decline due to a rapidly aging population coupled with an extremely low replacement rate because of a declining birth rate, not take good care of these children which are their hope and future. if they not only abandon them but also can't take good care of them (a small number in comparison to their total population) japan might as well give up and commit national seppuku right now. no point going through the torture of death by a thousand cuts. their demise is in their own hands and their extinction is inevitable. whatever "great" culture they have does not prevent them from self implosion. that's not great at all. it's a suicide culture.
 

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their demise is in their own hands and their extinction is inevitable. whatever "great" culture they have does not prevent them from self implosion. that's not great at all. it's a suicide culture.
Ironically, that is precisely (or at least one of the main reasons) why mainstream Japanese culture is so great (or "great" if you prefer), i.e. mainstream Japanese people would rather fight to the death or commit suicide than compromise their mainstream culture!
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