So, Jufrie wanted to stand in the team against CSJ. But now Jufrie stands with CSJ. When the wheel has come full circle you are bound to see the same opportunist emerge.
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So, Jufrie wanted to stand in the team against CSJ. But now Jufrie stands with CSJ. When the wheel has come full circle you are bound to see the same opportunist emerge.
I share your exact sentiment. The priority must be set right: to win the seats to deny PAP of its two thirds majority. Every opposition party needs the support of the entire opposition supporters to win in any ward it contests in. Any infighting will not help in this process. Anyway, no one party will agree that someone else candidate is better than its own.
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Agreed that a parliamentary seat is not the be all and end all. However, since a seat now has fallen vacant, why not have it occupied by someone who can vocalise and verbalise issues at that level? It is a bonus while you can still work the ground, which no doubt SDP already is doing. It's like striking lottery - chances may be slim, but if you dont buy one single ticket, your chances are mathematically zero. But if you buy one, at least there is a mathematical possibility.
We have to try to develop and institutionalise diversity in our Opposition to secure our best chances of success for the future. We already have 6 of their best from WP in parliament so one more isnt going to move mountains, esp if he is mediocre. Let SDP have a go with their best foot.
We have to try to develop and institutionalise diversity in our Opposition to secure our best chances of success for the future. We already have 6 of their best from WP in parliament so one more isnt going to move mountains, esp if he is mediocre. Let SDP have a go with their best foot.
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Absolutely. Singaporeans must realise that they are part and parcel of the force that can/will break or build a political institution such as our nascent embryonic Opposition, after so many years of PAP's repressive machinations.
Voters must not fall into PAP's trap of parochial politics like Town councils which basically a PAP trick/trap. PAP has the PA's machinery to do their dirty legwork but the Opp have none. It is not a fair contest, so voters must consider to lean more onto the Opp to level back the playing field. They have to help it grow and strengthen.
Voters must not fall into PAP's trap of parochial politics like Town councils which basically a PAP trick/trap. PAP has the PA's machinery to do their dirty legwork but the Opp have none. It is not a fair contest, so voters must consider to lean more onto the Opp to level back the playing field. They have to help it grow and strengthen.
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You are looking only from the point of view of the SDP. Yes there is nothing to lose for them only everything to gain. For the WP, it would be a blow to their supporters, put a brake on the momentum they have built up over the past few years.
Any gain for one opposition party at the expense of another does not translate into something good for the opposition. If SDP is serious about going into parliament, it should identify wards it wishes to work early in the game and negotiate right now with the other parties to avoid undesirable contest on the next GE.
I, for one, don't think they can make much of a difference in parliament. What they can raise will be greatly restricted and the elected MPs have to answer questionings personally unlike in public forum, they can rely on professionals they engaged to answer for them. Their kind of fiery discourse will fare better outside of parliament in an unbridled public forum which they should continue to do with or without elections
An astute party leader will choose where and when to do battle. He does not choose to fight and win every one. Sometimes, a withdrawal can be a strategic move, not nec a retreat or a concessionary defeat. One step back but two steps forward. An astute leadership must also be able to convince his people and carry them with him on turning away from what may be popular but short-sighted. Help to foster the external environment to nourish the growth of Opp. Not dirty the waters where all fishes depend on to live. Lose a battle but win the war.
Remember - this is only a BE and not a GE. No need to scramble for crumbs now.
Remember - this is only a BE and not a GE. No need to scramble for crumbs now.
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Whether you like TKL or not, his recent comment on his Facebook that looking after the day to day operation of housing estates, which had been the responsibility of HDB in the distant past should be left to the civil servants to undertake, makes a lot of sense.
The day to day operation of the estates and infrastructures should be responsibilities of the government and not be a burden on the back of the MP bogging him down from doing more important things like finding improvements to the system. The MP's task is to identify the shortcomings and propose improvement for the civil servants to get these corrected and implemented. Any further shortcoming of the government should then be raised by letter or in parliament for the Minister to take corrective action.
Hahaha... Now people are trying to get WP to step aside for SDP.
I have personal experience with the TC, the PAP MP, and the HDB over a complaint I made in the recent past and I know now personally that the MP practically did fuck all, merely finger power (as in taiji) or eye power (as in if you still have any unresolved issues, pls revert).
When I wrote to the MP, his asst will arrow it to the town council servants, and the TC may cc it back to HDB which then revert to you to say that the issue is TC's and will refer it to them. Eventually, after some feet dragging by all parties concerned in the fingering process, I cut short the process and wrote directly to the last person holding the can. Then days later, more replies from different people - it's laughable. Someone already said she has taken care of it at the same time someone else will chip in and promise to look at it (belatedly). finally, the MP's personal asst came back to me ( I suppose to claim credit) and assured me that the issue has been taken care of and his dept will ensure no recurrences.
You'll be amazed at the circus, but I'll be flabberghasted if I knew or saw reality TV.
So moral of story - no one dies if the MP does not take care of what is TC's job. After all. PAP MPs do fuck all while claiming they run the TCs. Ptui!
When I wrote to the MP, his asst will arrow it to the town council servants, and the TC may cc it back to HDB which then revert to you to say that the issue is TC's and will refer it to them. Eventually, after some feet dragging by all parties concerned in the fingering process, I cut short the process and wrote directly to the last person holding the can. Then days later, more replies from different people - it's laughable. Someone already said she has taken care of it at the same time someone else will chip in and promise to look at it (belatedly). finally, the MP's personal asst came back to me ( I suppose to claim credit) and assured me that the issue has been taken care of and his dept will ensure no recurrences.
You'll be amazed at the circus, but I'll be flabberghasted if I knew or saw reality TV.
So moral of story - no one dies if the MP does not take care of what is TC's job. After all. PAP MPs do fuck all while claiming they run the TCs. Ptui!
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I fully agree with your logic.
Then why should SDP pick this as a strategic time and move to compete in a ward well contested by another party in past elections? Doesn't this withdrawal from a BE ( it is not a GE) apply to them as well?
To me there is some unwritten code of ethics that political parties have applied in the past to avoid multi-cornered fights. Now why must they rob another just to benefit their own partitional interest but missing the bigger picture of adding seats to the opposition slate?
Don't think they can offer a stronger bid in the BE. They are untested in that ward. Taking activities in the new media as an indication of the level of support is not reflective of actual ground support, knowing that SDP has a disproportionally high representation in the new media. TJS's strong showing of up to 75% in the new media during the PE was misleading and is amble proof of this misperception. He eventually got only 25%.
GMS was very much a liability to WP during those time when he engaged in frame war with fellow forumers here.
Anyway, I remember during Taiwan election this year, there was this very gung-ho fellow from KMT who was very good at whistleblowing at the opposite camp and he was singlehandedly responsible for exposing the corruption of former president Chen shuibian. He was a MP for 2 terms in his district in Kaoshiung and was seeking a 3rd term. His name was Qiuyi and was very prominent in TV talkshows raising many national issues. Even during election period he appeared on TV every night and fought his campaign purely on national issues. His opponent from DPP was totally the opposite, an unknown working quietly at grassroots level and away media spotlight much like WP.
When the result came out, I fell off my chair, the DPP fellow manage to trash him by getting nearly 70% of the vote.
As former U.S. Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill phrased it "all politics is local". Much as the situation might differ from sg but I am those who believes that it local issues is important. Fence sitters don't expect opposition to match what PAP can do on municipal issues but at least, they expect opposition not to screw up running their estate before they can focus on National issues. I spoken to people who prefers VW over LLL but will choose WP if there is no chance VW will get elected. My view is VW alone can't fight against the tide of public perception that this BE is really a dual between WP vs PAP. SDP position is hard to reach out to the centrists. Hopefully painful lesson of PE will make more opposition voters aware of the need to vote tactically rather than ideologically.
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hahaha Some people are still celebrating a "strategic victory" in their understanding of what is "high" and "above".
Yes, I am now convinced that JBJ the coward "chickened out" and gave excuses for not participating in the BE. Lee Kuan Yew said so. A reliable and trustworthy WP source like you said so. Hence, it must be so. As they say in exquisite Singlish, it is double confirmed.
Plus, as someone who was swimming in my father's left testicle when the BE was held, I do not know the name nor do I have any knowledge of who this secretive 30 year old graduate is or the intense pressure he had come under from his family who feared for his (and their) livelihood and pressured him to withdraw his candidacy. One has only to look at the adulations, perks and rewards that came tumbling the way of another then 30 year old from the SDP (who goes by the name of Chee Soon Juan) who contested in this 1992 Marine Parade BE to see how wrong and cowardly the family of this secretive 30 year old was.
Like you, I hope the SDP contests in this Punggol East BE. This is a "boh tua, boh suay" party. No manners and no respect for elders. Don't know how to smile. Don't know how to make distinctions. Don't know what is high, what is low. Don't know what is above, what is below.
But can't blame the party. It is led by CSJ. He has no manners. See how he treats the PAP and GCT with disrespect. Just because he got away with the PAP and GCT, his head has gotten bigger. He now dares to mess around and show disrespect to WP and Low Thia Khiang.
In the name of good manners and democracy, the SDP and all the other mosquito parties need to be taught a very, very good lesson by the WP. Low Thia Khiang and the WP must strive to consign these political poseurs and wannabes to political oblivion and the rubbish bin of history.
SDP can look forward to another "strategic victory" along the lines of 2011. The party and its acolytes always get it right. 
That is why I have no respect for this hopeless party. They are a party of opportunists. In Malaysia, such politicians are rightfully derided as kataks (that's frogs for the SAP school multiracialists and those who do not know the National language). They hop from one party to another.
I hope WP fields Michelle Lee if the SDP does not chicken out and fields that VW chap. Like CSJ, this chap needs to be taught a lesson. I believe WP's Michelle Lee is the best person to teach him this lesson.
Did JBJ finally discover what happened?
A by-election that was called for his benefit, and who stood in his way but a team led by CSJ.
hahaha.....the new flavour is VW of sdp.......
my idol has been sneakily deriding all the other opps party to promote his new favourite.......such ruthlessness is only matched by old man himself.
the PLPs will rally behind him as usual.....
unfortunately he is living in his own ivory tower.....and his reading is as usual off the mark.....
as i said if wp did not take part in PE SMC BE, i retire from sbf....no roundabout, twisting and turning way.
my idol has been sneakily deriding all the other opps party to promote his new favourite.......such ruthlessness is only matched by old man himself.
the PLPs will rally behind him as usual.....
unfortunately he is living in his own ivory tower.....and his reading is as usual off the mark.....
as i said if wp did not take part in PE SMC BE, i retire from sbf....no roundabout, twisting and turning way.
SDP can look forward to another "strategic victory" along the lines of 2011. The party and its acolytes always get it right.
WP must not and never allow this to happen. The SDP must be taught a painful lesson about "what is high, what is low, what is above, what is below".
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