$3,000,000 Not Enuf to Recruit Good Ministers - Woody Goh

Goh CT defended again the obscene pay being paid to PAP ministers. He gave example of Liew Mun Leong CEO of Capital Land who makes 10 millions. He conveniently forgotten that Shanmugam was making same mega bucks as Head of Allen & Gledhill litigation dept. Why is he now willing to take a big pay cut? Most likely he is willing to serve since he has taken much from society - was staying in HDB rental flat when young and/or he is, in management lingo, power motivated.

It is sad the former PM does not understand basic management principles of what motivates a person - in this case, to take on public office. He does not need to look far. Goh Keng Swee, Rajaratnam, EW Barker, Hon Sui Sin, etc are very capable ministers all of whom can command stratospheric salaries in private sector. Why did they choose to be in the public service? Simple answer which PAP repeatedly fail to admit: because they have a desire to serve and because they are power motivated people.

Dare we say that majority of the MP's & minister wannabees are not in it for the money first and foremost?

What were their pay before they become ministers? Wong KS was manager in HP; Yaacock - a lecturer; Yeo CT was GM of Leblond - a machine tool company (now he only earns $22,000 per month - true worth of a PAP minister??).

What about the President? GCT won't dare say that they is nobody interested in it unless the pay is $4 million bucks! One challenger was brutally brow-beated by the PAP - Andrew Kuan.

GCT further said majority of us do not mind about ministerial (perm sec) high salaries! Let our ballot slap him in his face!

We care and we are upset about the party who pay themselves obscene salaries after the previous GE (2006 or before). If they had wanted to pay themselves super salaries would it not be fair to declare the intention at that GE vs keeping quiet about it & reward themselves after that poll? Sneaky asses!!

if not enough then ask them to FUCK OFF from the Parliament!!.....
You are not there to suck the people's money dry....

Anyway.....we will see GCT out of Marine Parade soon.....

So Rin Tin Tin deserves 3m if she becomes minister through the back door.

She is worth that much?

rusty said:

So Rin Tin Tin deserves 3m if she becomes minister through the back door.

She is worth that much?

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is her backdoor worth 3 mio?

rusty said:

So Rin Tin Tin deserves 3m if she becomes minister through the back door.

She is worth that much?

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Hello!!! She is not even worth the $16,000 as a ready made MP!! Any winner of Primary School Story Telling Contest can speak better.

Primary school student goes,

"My parents' biggest regret in life was to vote for the wrong party in 2006. They lost their jobs and had to work 2 jobs each just to make up the salary difference. Their previous jobs were taken by FT. Now the FT who took my parents jobs also put their children in my school to snatch my scholarship.

Because of the 2 jobs they had to take, they had no money and no time to bring me to Universal Studios!"

Now I understand! GCT was refering to Swiss Standard of Living for MIW's ONLY + Perm Sec going to France to learn french cooking with his whole family and G Yeo's family of 5 staying in USA for years!

NOT for the non-elites!!

Hans168 said:

is her backdoor worth 3 mio?

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is it virgin?

Returning the favour...

"Over time, the MM says, Singapore Ministers have become "less hard-driving and hard-striving." This is why it is a good thing, the MM says, that the nation has welcomed so many Opposition Candidates. He is aware that many PAP ministers are unhappy with the influx of candidates, especially those educated new candidates prepared to fight for the seats. But taking a typically Darwinian stance, the MM says, If PAP candidates are falling behind because "the spurs are not stuck into the hide," that is their problem."

Greed knows no boundary.

rusty said:

So Rin Tin Tin deserves 3m if she becomes minister through the back door.

She is worth that much?

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EX-COA have gone in through the back door....3m?

halsey02 said:

is it virgin?

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Virgin or not

How to tell?

ivebert said:

Virgin or not

How to tell?

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Agreed, $3million is not enough to hire a good minister.

You need to structure a family deal.

1. make me Prime Minister - about $3.5 million a year


2. Make my dad Minister Mentor - about $3 million a year

3. Make my wife the CEO of the national sovereign wealth fund - about $15 million a year

4. My other relatives - $100 million
- ie, brother as CEO of state telecom monopoly
- cousin as deputy prime minister
- a dozen other uncles and aunts and cousins in GLC boards and management
- mom and other relatives as subcontractor to government projects

Ya, about $121 million a year is more reasonable.

That way, over my premiership of 20 years, my family can make about $2.4 billion ma!

Somemore no risk. No shareholder (voter) revolt, no accountability, no transparency.

I cannot settle for less la.

ivebert said:

Virgin or not

How to tell?

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Like buying fowl in the market, in the past from the wet markets...YOU PUT YOUR FINGER IN...it's tight & the hen squirm...you know it is a........ if not it is a 'lau kua bu' for double boil with chinese herbs...

paybump. from $3k a month as a 'support-services' consultant at E&Y, to a $16K MP plus another likely $20-30K in a new GLC job and directorships.

From $3k a month to $40K++ a month....no wonder got so many PAP lap dogs around. PAP has become synonomous with bought loyalty in my mind

Pui!

SpareTyre said:

Agreed, $3million is not enough to hire a good minister.

You need to structure a family deal.

1. make me Prime Minister - about $3.5 million a year


2. Make my dad Minister Mentor - about $3 million a year

3. Make my wife the CEO of the national sovereign wealth fund - about $15 million a year

4. My other relatives - $100 million
- ie, brother as CEO of state telecom monopoly
- cousin as deputy prime minister
- a dozen other uncles and aunts and cousins in GLC boards and management
- mom and other relatives as subcontractor to government projects

Ya, about $121 million a year is more reasonable.

That way, over my premiership of 20 years, my family can make about $2.4 billion ma!

Somemore no risk. No shareholder (voter) revolt, no accountability, no transparency.

I cannot settle for less la.

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SINgaporeans the most generous & charitable people on planet earth...they support familee business...take a bow, SINgaporeans!

But unfortunately...not your family!

Is this the Best that the PAP can do?

I can't believe that the PAP cannot dredge up better candidates than the 24 new idiots they are fielding. Are they scraping at the barrel, or is the position of MP now just patronage position to reward supporters and insiders with a $15,000 a month salary?

Some of these candidates have such a disconnect with the general populace, they might as well be from Mars. How can a 23 year old girl who has not achieved anything in life other than marry a politically connected and much older rich sugar daddy purport to represent an ordinary singaporean? I think her father would have been a better candidate, at least he is a small business owner operating a kopitiam. People can empathize and identify with that.

And what's with all these generals coming out of the woodwork? What makes them suddenly qualified to be MPs after years of ordering people around, being driven around in staff cars, etc.? They have not even been civilians in decades, and their purported achievements in the military are so minor and irrelevant, it bears little semblance to life in the real world. If the PAP fielded a candidate who was a SSGT or Inche in the SAF for 20 years, I would be more willing to vote for him. Why? because a SSGT in all likelihood would have lived in a HDB flat, struggle to raise a family on a limited real world income like all of us. He would be someone who is more aware of the flaws in his HDB estate, the difficulty of getting his kids into a good school, putting food on the table, etc. This would have been someone a voter can relate to. The PAP still has not come to the realisation that paper qualifications, lots of degrees and diplomas means nothing to an ordinary citizen. The ordinary citizen has seen how such "highly qualified" individuals lose billions $ of his tax dollars, screw up the job market with FTs, etc. I would believe at this stage an ordinary citizen wouldmuch rather prefer to vote for someone .............well ordinary, rather than these FAKE supermen the PAP keeps parading out.

This brings me to the issue of FT candidates, or rather newly minted citizens masquerading as candidates. Talk about a traitorous stab to the heart of a singaporean, can it be any more worse an act of treason that the PAP is perpertrating on singaporeans. These candidates have essentially come in the back door, utilising every benefit not available to singaporeans. i.e., as in the case of the asshole indian doctor, getting high pay, while not having to do his NS, and bidding his time as PR before appropriately applying for citizenship. What about the other Indian who was born in Malaysia, bounced around, and than settled here without having to do NS either. Given that many singaporeans have lost educational and job opportunities to FTs, than to see the very same FTs get ahead and become their MPS is particularly galling and not a slap but a punch to their face. The insane thing about this is how the PAP keeps harping that we have a huge defence budget to protect ourselves from our neighbour, but yet makes a citizen of that same neighbour one of the MP candidates. Are they saying that MPs are not privileged to confidential military secrets that could be disseminated back to the country of their birth? Would the Democrat or Republican party in the US have fielded a candidate that was until 2 years ago a citizen of Mexico? I think not.

Gay Loong and his father always complain about how hard it is to find good people to join the PAP. I think the issue is rather not a question of finding good people for the PAP, its one of why good people WILL NOT JOIN the PAP. Father, son, and holy Goh need to ask the question "What is it about our org, that DOES NOT AND CANNOT SEEM TO ATTRACT QUALITY PEOPLE?". Why is it that they have to shanghai people from the trade unions, army, young bimbos, materialistic pants wearing women, recent ex-FTs, etc. to present a fake facade of decent candidates? Could it be the fault lies with them instead?

I am finally reminded of the words of jack Kennedy "Ask not what your country can do for you, rather, ask what you can do for your country". I can unequivocally say that not one of these 24 idiots have asked this question, rather they have asked "How much can my country pay me for the post of MP". Its a sad day for singapore. I believe the opposition with their more "real world" and "ordinary Joes" candidates more properly represent singaporeans than these PAP candidates from another planet or country, whichever may be the case.
Last edited by Papsmearer; 22-04-2011 at 04:09 AM.

3m not enuff to recuit goot minister?? Then how cum in us they can attract ppl like Ronald Reegan, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Obama...for jus a fraction of 3M?? Not minister but president level somemore wor...shell we out source frm us then?? Seem like better, cheaper, faster leh...

Microsoft said:

3m not enuff to recuit goot minister?? Then how cum in us they can attract ppl like Ronald Reegan, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Obama...for jus a fraction of 3M?? Not minister but president level somemore wor...shell we out source frm us then?? Seem like better, cheaper, faster leh...

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The Dutch economist, Mr. WInsemuis, who is the architect of Singapore's economic success, WORKED FOR FREE!!. Yes, that u read it right. He was not paid for bringing successful ideas to to a country that was not his. Whenhe had to travel to singapore, he flew first class, stayed at nice hotel, free food, but was never on singapore govt. salary. How can this bunch as assholes compare to him?

Papsmearer said:

The Dutch economist, Mr. WInsemuis, who is the architect of Singapore's economic success, WORKED FOR FREE!!. Yes, that u read it right. He was not paid for bringing successful ideas to to a country that was not his. Whenhe had to travel to singapore, he flew first class, stayed at nice hotel, free food, but was never on singapore govt. salary. How can this bunch as assholes compare to him?

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It wasn't right of you to compare Apple with...rotten Apple...

1 bring u goot health de other kill u via food posioning...:p:p

Microsoft said:

It wasn't right of you to compare Apple with...rotten Apple...

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You are right. Microsoft must not be excluded.