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Mother-tongue policy undermines education and our future - Good Article

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http://www.yawningbread.org/guest_2010/guw-165.htm

Yawning Bread: This was originally submitted as a comment to an earlier article Mother-tongue conservatives raise existential fears. However, because it offered a number of forcefully argued viewpoints and fresh perspectives, it justified standing by itself. Thus, I have converted it into a guest article, so that it can have its own comments trail, addressing the new angles he has raised.

Mother-tongue policy undermines education and our future

by Jonno

Mother-tongue issues mask the real socio-political objective of divide-and-rule in Singapore. Despite the so-called racial harmony objectives, the adherence to mother-tongue policy is just an obstacle to the real issue of providing education! Proper education equates to higher economic performance. The higher institutions of learning are invariably located in developed countries with high GDP incomes. Singapore and Hong Kong are exceptions to the rule as their high GDP incomes are masked by high external investments as well as outputs from govt linked companies (as in Singapore’s case).

The real purpose of education is to provide the mechanisms for a thinking mind, broad communication and language skills and an expansive outlook (broadmindedness)! So far, education in Singapore is all about overcoming the hurdles in mother-tongue, primary streaming, PSLE, Independent or gifted, GCE ‘O’ & ‘N’ levels, HSC ‘A’ levels & so on. Only in Singapore, education is more about achieving objectives rather than learning. This is a worrying trend.

The Mother-tongue policy has. clouded the education process by appealing to the chauvinistic, the emotional and the discriminatory. Why? To the majority, what’s the purpose of learning Mandarin? The early majority are overseas Chinese migrants whose main language were diverse dialects ie. Hokkien, Teochew, Cantonese, Hakka, Hainanese, etc. Mandarin or Chinese was not widely spoken then! Only those with chauvinistic ties to the motherland ie. China harped on learning Mandarin. The more pragmatic ones simply learned English and got better paid as a result during those times. During that era, English took centre stage over mother-tongue languages especially Chinese.

The shift towards a mother-tongue policy occurred as the English-speakers began to agitate for more democracy and reforms. How better to alienate them in one brush stroke than to make mother-tongue mandatory? In silent and inconsequential exile, assertive minorities like Eurasians, Anglicized Indians and Chinese began a slow migration out of Singapore. Of course, the majority stood with the govt on this issue as they had everything to gain, and it showered the ruling party with electoral favours with 60-70% of the votes in the heartlands.

To say that learning Chinese would help local businessman do well in business in China is bull-shit! US & European businessmen have been doing business in China without any knowledge of Chinese and they are doing very well! Language skills are important but they should not be restricted to mother-tongue – it’s backward and restrictive! It also creates narrow-mindedness!

Having watched the mother-tongue policy for over 2 decades, I’m beginning to see worrying issues: Singlish as opposed to proper English; 'Us' versus 'Them’ attitude i.e. a clannish behaviour overseas; either an inability to express or a loud aggressive behaviour to perceived wrongs; timid and inward-looking, etc.

Singlish was the half-baked end result of the mother-tongue policy. Over the years, the standard of English in S’pore has been declining. TV Shows like Phua Chu Kang only parodies the underlying language problems in S’pore. For a S’porean who thinks he speaks good English, he would be barely understood in our neighbouring Australia. They’re in for a rude awakening!

Because they are unable to communicate in proper English overseas, most overseas S’porean students studying in US, UK, Canada, Australia and NZ tend to congregate together like same bird species. They find comfort in their own type as only they can understand one another. Because of this poor ability in communication skills, both orally and written – S’poreans tend to be ‘order-takers’ than ‘order-givers’ due to lack of confidence and inability to express oneself! Technically, S’poreans are very proficient due to their academic inclination but other than that, they are totally deficient!

The ugly S’porean persona results from this ‘lack’ of self-confidence. It manifest through rudeness and bad behaviour. Because of this inability to communicate well, the ugly S’porean lashes out whenever he or she perceives a lack of respect or some injustice done to them.

The lack of communication skills and English language proficiency were not so bad during the Manufacturing and Commerce era (circa 1980s – 2000s). They were masked by the technical proficiency of the S’porean workers who were diligent in upgrading their technical skills. However, as manufacturing and outsourcing migrated to PRC/India in 2000 onwards – there were mass structural unemployment. The avenues left the unemployed were security guards, taxi drivers, insurance agents, etc. The Internet era (2004 post-dot-com onwards) seemed to have bypass S’pore as the communication and language skills deemed paramount in this area were not evident in this region. It was no coincidence that PM Lee went gung-ho for the casino cum integrated resorts option – there were none left on the table!

Whatever they do, this mother-tongue policy should be replaced by a more pragmatic language policy. If not, it will be a slow death for S’pore and S’poreans alike.
 

makapaaa

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The Familee TRAITORS will tailor policies to suit themselves. The whole hoo ha started cos Old Fart's grand spawn failed CL2. His VETTED FTrash couldn't string a complete sentence in Engrish, so it became virtually a non-requirement where FTrash is concerned. When will the 66% learn?
 

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Education;

Etymologically the word education contains educare (Latin) "bring up", which is related to educere "bring out", "bring forth what is within", "bring out potential" and ducere, "to lead".[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education

Remember the LAWS of bringing out docile and subservient population.

1. Control the information that they receive.

2. Control their food source / (economics)

3. Control them by FORCE if they don't budge (military/police/law)

So, next time, when you think about education, think carefully about what you read, and think about it.
 

Sideswipe

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LKY is peranakan, he disliked Chinese language & culture. His Chinese policies is shaped by his personal prejudice against everything associated with Chinese.

and it was important for PAP to destroy Chinese influence in Singapore after independence for English speaking PAP to stay in power.
 

myfoot123

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The influx of foreigners have created several problems stream after stream. It is highly suspicious that PAP wanted low weighing of mother-tongue to focus on English is to show foreigners and new citizens some face. These new group of migrants do not know how to speak either english or mandarin. Govt wanted to exempt them from such obstacles especially if their children have difficulty scoring 1st and 2nd language in order to proceed for higher education. Many Singaporeans have lost opportunity to go to good school and even university because of tough imposition on 2nd-langauge as important criteria to enter uni. PAP do not want foreigners to suffer the same fake. To avoid further divide between them and us, PAP now came out with stupid solution to solve wrong policies in the past. The result: CHINESE UNITED and that is a vast grievance group that alternative party should tap to topple PAP. I am beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel. If majority of the 66% is chinese who voted for PAP in last election, we need only 20% of their vote swing to secure a new government for Singapore.
 

Ramseth

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The trouble is Mandarin is not Singapore Chinese mother tongue.

In the 80s and earlier, the dialects (Hokkien, Teochew, Cantonese, Hakka, Hainanese etc.) were the mother tongues. After that Singlish is the mother tongue.

Ah boy, don't naughty. Don't make me angry 我打你!Ah gal, go take that come here, let mommy see that 好不好?Daddy no free lah, don't kacao him.
 

Sperminator

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this mix language of Singaporeans is like codes.

A Chinese will be confused listening to Singaporeans talking.

A English will be confused listening to Singaporean talking.

perhaps this is an unintentional perk of being a Singaporean.
 

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The author of this article seem to be a banana as well as a frog in well. Chinese is not just important with dealing with China. Chinese can also be widely use in Malaysia, Taiwan and Hong Kong. And yeah the Ang Moh doesnt speak Chinese but can do business in China, however knowing how to speak the language will eliminate a lot of issues. China and India is an emerging market for most industry.

Working for an MNC, I've had a lot of exposure to those 2 countries and speaking the language may not be mandatory some times, U generally still end up with a translator if you work there. At the end of the day it is still a major advantage to be able to speak the local language rather then depend on someone translating it for you and we don't even get me started on the command of the english language the locals have

And on the topic of Singlish, I am sure most of us are able to communicate effectively in English if we want to. Even if we throw in some singlish slang from time to time. The author assumed that the majority of the world speaks proper English, the vast majority of Ang Mohs, French, Spanish, Germans, etc DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH. The average cab driver in SG can speak better English then most pple in the EU. And the average cab driver can probably speak English better then the 90% of PRC and Taiwan.

The key effective communication isn't being able to speak without grammatical error or use of high level words, its simply being able to convey your ideas to the other party. The vast majority of the population below 50 have little problems with conversational level English. We will always have a weird accent in the eyes of the Ang Mohs, the most important point here is to be able to communicate with them effectively not try to wow them with our command of the english language becoz that will never happen. In fact most Ang Mohs are impressed by the fact that we speak more then 1 language

Whether LKY really have that foresight or not, at the end of the day, the bilingual policy is a correct one and should never be removed. The problem as far as I am concern is the implementation of the policy. The debate of trying to remove the weightage of mother tongue is a disgrace and a step back. They are unable to find a proper solution to this problem and they are trying to take the easy way out. Instead of condemning LKY and gang for implementing the policy in the first place, we should be condemning them for trying to take the easy way out and not even trying to overcome the problem
 

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Because they are unable to communicate in proper English overseas, most overseas S’porean students studying in US, UK, Canada, Australia and NZ tend to congregate together like same bird species. They find comfort in their own type as only they can understand one another. Because of this poor ability in communication skills, both orally and written – S’poreans tend to be ‘order-takers’ than ‘order-givers’ due to lack of confidence and inability to express oneself! Technically, S’poreans are very proficient due to their academic inclination but other than that, they are totally deficient!

This correlates to what I have seen during my university days. Singaporeans do congregate together. Only rarely do you see a few hang out with other groups. The poly grads that comes over after diploma does this the most. A-levels grads seems to mix around with the other groups better, but still sticks together copying assignments. This could also explain why the median pay in Australia for Singaporean are lower then Malaysian. Was kind of a surprise when I saw the report. Perhaps this is the reason why.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/statistics/comm-summ/textversion/singapore.htm

Median income
At the time of the 2006 Census, the median individual weekly income for the Singapore-born in Australia aged 15 years and over was $482, compared with $431 for all overseas-born and $488 for all Australia-born. The total Australian population had a median individual weekly income of $466.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/statistics/comm-summ/textversion/malaysia.htm

Median income
At the time of the 2006 Census, the median individual weekly income for the Malaysia-born in Australia aged 15 years and over was $557, compared with $431 for all overseas-born and $488 for all Australian-born. The total Australian population had a median individual weekly income of $466.
 

zeebjii

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I have to correct you on one thing. Many europeans can speak 2 or more languages. Bilingualism is not unique to singapore.

A Swiss of viet origin told me that he had to learn THREE languages in school. German, French and Italian.

Most dutch can speak english (taught as second langualge in school) comfortably, in fact better than many of us. Just compare their footballers interviews with ours!
 

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I have to correct you on one thing. Many europeans can speak 2 or more languages. Bilingualism is not unique to singapore.

A Swiss of viet origin told me that he had to learn THREE languages in school. German, French and Italian.

Most dutch can speak english (taught as second langualge in school) comfortably, in fact better than many of us. Just compare their footballers interviews with ours!

I don't think anyone is doubting the benefit of being bilingual or multilingual. Its the standards and command of the language that is dismal in Singapore. Not only can't we speak english well enough, but our chinese standards are probably worst then the ang mohs learning them.
 

Goh Meng Seng

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You are spot on. The author doesn't understand the issue well enough.

The most successful foreign investors in China are the Taiwanese, not Westerners. Language and culture is part of the winning formula.

Hong Kongers, Koreans, Japanese and Taiwanese have English as their second language but they could still far excel in international businesses. Thus to claim that we only need English and thus we could excel, is just a bit that naive.

If you have the ability, knowing an extra language is always a plus factor, never a negative factor.

Goh Meng Seng



The author of this article seem to be a banana as well as a frog in well. Chinese is not just important with dealing with China. Chinese can also be widely use in Malaysia, Taiwan and Hong Kong. And yeah the Ang Moh doesnt speak Chinese but can do business in China, however knowing how to speak the language will eliminate a lot of issues. China and India is an emerging market for most industry.

Working for an MNC, I've had a lot of exposure to those 2 countries and speaking the language may not be mandatory some times, U generally still end up with a translator if you work there. At the end of the day it is still a major advantage to be able to speak the local language rather then depend on someone translating it for you and we don't even get me started on the command of the english language the locals have

And on the topic of Singlish, I am sure most of us are able to communicate effectively in English if we want to. Even if we throw in some singlish slang from time to time. The author assumed that the majority of the world speaks proper English, the vast majority of Ang Mohs, French, Spanish, Germans, etc DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH. The average cab driver in SG can speak better English then most pple in the EU. And the average cab driver can probably speak English better then the 90% of PRC and Taiwan.

The key effective communication isn't being able to speak without grammatical error or use of high level words, its simply being able to convey your ideas to the other party. The vast majority of the population below 50 have little problems with conversational level English. We will always have a weird accent in the eyes of the Ang Mohs, the most important point here is to be able to communicate with them effectively not try to wow them with our command of the english language becoz that will never happen. In fact most Ang Mohs are impressed by the fact that we speak more then 1 language

Whether LKY really have that foresight or not, at the end of the day, the bilingual policy is a correct one and should never be removed. The problem as far as I am concern is the implementation of the policy. The debate of trying to remove the weightage of mother tongue is a disgrace and a step back. They are unable to find a proper solution to this problem and they are trying to take the easy way out. Instead of condemning LKY and gang for implementing the policy in the first place, we should be condemning them for trying to take the easy way out and not even trying to overcome the problem
 

myfoot123

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Actually it is good to know as much languages as possible. Even china also have people good in several languages like french, russian...etc to help do translation for their govt.

I would prefer to study a 3rd language, namely Japanese, french, italian.. I see knowing more language is an asset than a woe especially when the world has became globalised. Singapore govt is so stupid not to tap local multi-lingualism capability and yet kept telling Singaporeans to accept foreigners in a globalised world. How contradicting can that be.
 

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他妈的。你妈的舌头跟黄永宏他妈或李显龙他妈的与别人的妈有什么关系?
叫他们去抄他们自家妈舌头。抄他们自家妈奶头也没人管。
:oIo:
 

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The author of this article seem to be a banana as well as a frog in well. Chinese is not just important with dealing with China. Chinese can also be widely use in Malaysia, Taiwan and Hong Kong. And yeah the Ang Moh doesnt speak Chinese but can do business in China, however knowing how to speak the language will eliminate a lot of issues. China and India is an emerging market for most industry.

Working for an MNC, I've had a lot of exposure to those 2 countries and speaking the language may not be mandatory some times, U generally still end up with a translator if you work there. At the end of the day it is still a major advantage to be able to speak the local language rather then depend on someone translating it for you and we don't even get me started on the command of the english language the locals have

And on the topic of Singlish, I am sure most of us are able to communicate effectively in English if we want to. Even if we throw in some singlish slang from time to time. The author assumed that the majority of the world speaks proper English, the vast majority of Ang Mohs, French, Spanish, Germans, etc DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH. The average cab driver in SG can speak better English then most pple in the EU. And the average cab driver can probably speak English better then the 90% of PRC and Taiwan.

The key effective communication isn't being able to speak without grammatical error or use of high level words, its simply being able to convey your ideas to the other party. The vast majority of the population below 50 have little problems with conversational level English. We will always have a weird accent in the eyes of the Ang Mohs, the most important point here is to be able to communicate with them effectively not try to wow them with our command of the english language becoz that will never happen. In fact most Ang Mohs are impressed by the fact that we speak more then 1 language

Whether LKY really have that foresight or not, at the end of the day, the bilingual policy is a correct one and should never be removed. The problem as far as I am concern is the implementation of the policy. The debate of trying to remove the weightage of mother tongue is a disgrace and a step back. They are unable to find a proper solution to this problem and they are trying to take the easy way out. Instead of condemning LKY and gang for implementing the policy in the first place, we should be condemning them for trying to take the easy way out and not even trying to overcome the problem

I have to disagree on all points. The bilingual policy is a big burden to students. Calling it mother tongue and making it a mandatory weightage to one's academic achievements is chauvinistic and discriminatory. You can make students study it, but you cannot make them love it.

25 years ago, I asked my local MP (non-Chinese) in all sincerity why I had to pass my Chinese exams, isn't being able to speak and understand it good enough? Why must I be penalised for being born in a non-Chinese speaking home? After all, the world is run in the English language, so that should be the focus of my attention. He said that he knew about the problems children had in learning the subject, but the government could not alienate a large percentage of their support base by dropping the importance of CL2. The Chinese speaking people voted for the PAP, so they could not just scrap the policy.

The weightage of the mother tongue is just to appease the chinese chauvinists rather than for cultural or economic reasons. They don't want to get less than 66% in the next elections.

If you want to learn Chinese to trade with China, you can do that without making it a mandatory pass subject in school. Just teach it in schools and students will learn it without the burden and stress of passing it. Civics and health education are not mandatory pass subjects, yet we all remember the lessons.

And if the chauvinists call me a banana or frog in the well or what ever else they call non-chinese speaking people of ethnic chinese descent, go ahead. I'm not as narrow minded as them. It is their insecurity speaking because that is the only way for them to preserve some form of security in a fast changing world in which they cannot cope.

As for the standard of spoken English, or Singlish, it is getting worse each year. Just as the world is getting more globalised and beginning to speak English (even China is learning to speak English), Singlish is evolving to make Singaporeans more internalised and inward looking in their communication skills. They are not using the proper words to articulate themselves and end up looking like fools. eg "I give him to eat", instead of "I fed him". The consequence is that only Singaporeans can understand each other when they speak in this way.
 

Goh Meng Seng

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If you are not Chinese-descent, why are you taking Chinese as your mother tongue?

BTW, the most spoken language in the world is not English.

Goh Meng Seng


I have to disagree on all points. The bilingual policy is a big burden to students. Calling it mother tongue and making it a mandatory weightage to one's academic achievements is chauvinistic and discriminatory. You can make students study it, but you cannot make them love it.

25 years ago, I asked my local MP (non-Chinese) in all sincerity why I had to pass my Chinese exams, isn't being able to speak and understand it good enough? Why must I be penalised for being born in a non-Chinese speaking home? After all, the world is run in the English language, so that should be the focus of my attention. He said that he knew about the problems children had in learning the subject, but the government could not alienate a large percentage of their support base by dropping the importance of CL2. The Chinese speaking people voted for the PAP, so they could not just scrap the policy.

The weightage of the mother tongue is just to appease the chinese chauvinists rather than for cultural or economic reasons. They don't want to get less than 66% in the next elections.

If you want to learn Chinese to trade with China, you can do that without making it a mandatory pass subject in school. Just teach it in schools and students will learn it without the burden and stress of passing it. Civics and health education are not mandatory pass subjects, yet we all remember the lessons.

And if the chauvinists call me a banana or frog in the well or what ever else they call non-chinese speaking people of ethnic chinese descent, go ahead. I'm not as narrow minded as them. It is their insecurity speaking because that is the only way for them to preserve some form of security in a fast changing world in which they cannot cope.

As for the standard of spoken English, or Singlish, it is getting worse each year. Just as the world is getting more globalised and beginning to speak English (even China is learning to speak English), Singlish is evolving to make Singaporeans more internalised and inward looking in their communication skills. They are not using the proper words to articulate themselves and end up looking like fools. eg "I give him to eat", instead of "I fed him". The consequence is that only Singaporeans can understand each other when they speak in this way.
 

ChaoPappyPoodle

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Don't get caught in the PAPies and the 154th's smokescreen!

This is a minor issue that is blown large just to hide other more important issues. The PAPies want to discuss this the let them go ahead and discuss it amongst themselves. A few years later they will tinker with the system again regardless of what is done today. :oIo:

Just concentrate on the bread and butter issues.
 

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Many Western-educated losers continue to hanker for the change. Fuck them, let's import more PRC young grads and all those Pinkertons can migrate and fuck off to the West
 
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