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Serious Since Dotard (Donald?) Trump asked for it we w surely nuke all the more - NK

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http://beta.latimes.com/nation/la-fg-north-korea-foreign-minister-20170923-story.html


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North Korea foreign minister says Trump's insults make rocket attack on U.S. 'inevitable all the more'

By Barbara Demick and W.J. Hennigan
Sep 23, 2017 | 04:50 PM
North Korean Minister for Foreign Affairs Ri Yong Ho speaks during the general debate of the 72nd United Nations General Assembly in New York. (EPA-EFE/REX/Shutterstock)

North Korean foreign minister Ri Yong Ho warned Saturday that it is “inevitable” that his country will launch a missile toward the mainland United States in revenge for the insults President Trump has directed at leader Kim Jong Un.

"None other than Trump himself is on a suicide mission," Ri said in a speech before the U.N. General Assembly — turning the tables on Trump's accusation that Kim is suicidal. The insults make "our rocket's visit to the entire U.S. mainland inevitable all the more.''

On Tuesday, Trump had used the same forum to mock Kim as "Rocket Man" and warn that the U.S. would "totally destroy" North Korea if attacked.

The mudslinging continued in the same vein in Ri's speech. He taunted Trump as "President Evil" and called him a "mentally deranged person full of megalomania … who has turned the White House into a noisy marketplace full of crackling sounds."

Earlier in the day, the Pentagon announced that American bomber and fighter jets flew along North Korea's eastern coastline in a predawn "show of force" that was closer to the rogue nation's border than any other mission this century.

Dana White, chief Pentagon spokeswoman, said in a statement Saturday that U.S. B-1 bomber and F-15 fighter jets launched from airfields in the region and flew in international airspace over waters east of North Korea.

"This mission is a demonstration of U.S. resolve and a clear message that the president has many military options to defeat any threat," White said. "North Korea's weapons program is a grave threat to the Asia-Pacific region and the entire international community."

The Pentagon issued several photos of the sleek fighter and bomber jets streaking across the darkened sky toward the Korean Peninsula.

In his speech, which had been prepared in advance, Ri did not mention the flights, but he condemned tightened U.N. sanctions as "heinous and barbaric" and said they would not deter his country from developing nuclear weapons.

"We are finally only a few steps away from the final gate of completion of the state nuclear force," Ri said.

Earlier in the week, Ri told reporters that North Korea could next conduct an atmospheric nuclear test over the Pacific — which would be a major escalation. All six of North Korea's previous nuclear tests have been underground. No nation has conducted an atmospheric nuclear test since China in 1980.

Although the hyperbolic volley of insults between the U.S. and North Korea leaders has been at times comical — the stilted North Korean rhetoric is easy to ridicule — the exchange is setting nerves on edge.

Kim Jong Un this week personally took to North Korean television to deliver a denunciation of Trump, whom he called a "dotard." Trump tweeted a fresh attack against Kim on Friday night, calling him a "madman who doesn't mind starving or killing his people."

Kim Jong Un of North Korea, who is obviously a madman who doesn't mind starving or killing his people, will be tested like never before!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 22, 2017

The Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, complained that Trump and Kim are behaving like "children in a kindergarten."

"I'm nervous,'' said Sue Mi Terry, a former CIA Korea analyst. "Kim Jong Un is known to be paranoid and thin-skinned." She said Trump has laid down his challenge in a way that will make it difficult for the North Koreans to back down.

"I'm a hard-liner too when it comes to North Korea," she added, "but you have to give them a way out. There is no path. This is a dangerous game to be playing."

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Twitter: @BarbaraDemick

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4:50 p.m.: This story was updated with additional information about the U.S. air maneuvers in the region.

This story was originally published at 3:30 p.m.
 

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Powerful NK H-bomb got aftershocks

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wo...ar-north-korea-nuclear-test-site-2396101.html


3.5-magnitude quake near North Korea nuclear test site
A shallow 3.5-magnitude earthquake which hit North Korea near the country's nuclear test site on Saturday was likely an aftershock from the hermit state's missile test on September 3, a nuclear test ban watchdog and other experts said.

3.5-magnitude quake near North Korea nuclear test site
A shallow 3.5-magnitude earthquake which hit North Korea near the country's nuclear test site on Saturday was likely an aftershock from the hermit state's missile test on September 3, a nuclear test ban watchdog and other experts said.

Lassina Zerbo, executive secretary of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organisation (CTBTO), tweeted the quake was "unlikely Man-made! Similar to 'collapse' event 8.5 mins after DPRK6", a reference to the second tremor that followed the September 3 test.

"The most probable hypothesis at present is that this is a consequence of the previous event, which was of a significant magnitude and may still have repercussions in a fracture zone," Zerbo told AFP.

The China Earthquake Networks Center (CENC), which initially spoke of a "suspected explosion," also said it believed Saturday's tremor was not the result of a fresh test, Xinhua news agency reported after the China Earthquake Administration, of which CENC is a part, studied infrasonic data of the latest quake.

The CENC said the epicentre was at 41.36 degrees north latitude and 129.06 degrees east latitude, similar to another quake on September 3 after the North Korean nuclear test that day.

South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted the Korea Meteorological Agency (KMA) as saying "there is no possibility that this could be an artificial quake."

The quake came after days of increasingly bellicose rhetoric between US President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un's regime, as international alarm mounts over Pyongyang's nuclear ambitions.

The United States Geological Survey (USGS) said the quake struck around 20 km away from the North's nuclear test site, where earlier this month Pyongyang detonated its sixth and largest device, which it claimed was a hydrogen bomb capable of being launched on a missile.

"This event occurred in the area of the previous North Korean Nuclear tests. We cannot conclusively confirm at this time the nature (natural or human-made) of the event. The depth is poorly constrained and has been held to five km by the seismologist," USGS said in a statement.

The North's last test, on September 3, was the country's most powerful detonation, triggering a much stronger 6.3-magnitude quake that was felt across the border in China.

A second tremor soon after that test was possibly caused by a "cave-in", CENC said at the time.

The test prompted global condemnation, leading the United Nations Security Council to unanimously adopt new sanctions that include restrictions on oil shipments.

A UN-backed monitoring group said analysts were investigating today's quake.

The strength of the quake was much lower than the tremors registered during any of North Korea's previous nuclear tests, including its first detonation in 2006, which triggered a 4.1-magnitude quake.

Social media users in China said they "felt nothing" when today's quake hit, while Russia's weather forecasting service said radiation levels were normal following the tremor, according to a report by the Interfax news agency.

The quake came at the end of a week that saw a blistering war of words between Kim and Trump, with the US leader using his maiden speech at the UN General Assembly to warn that Washington would "totally destroy" the North if America or its allies were threatened.

The North, which says it needs nuclear weapons to protect itself against the threat of a US invasion, responded on Friday with a rare personal rebuke from Kim, who called Trump "mentally deranged" and threatened the "highest level of hard-line countermeasure in history".

Tens of thousands of North Koreans gathered in Pyongyang on Saturday to applaud the regime's stance, their fists clenched as speakers repeated Kim's denigration of Trump as a "dotard".

Such set-piece rallies, organised by the authorities, are a regular feature of political life in Pyongyang, and analysts say Kim is exploiting Trump's angry commentary to reinforce his leadership.

Ri Il Ung, a 24-year-old university student who attended the rally, said: "Trump is a warmonger and a backstreet gangster." "It's quite ridiculous that such a person could become a politician," he said.

Washington announced tougher restrictions on Friday aimed at curbing North Korea's nuclear and ballistic missile programme, building on tough new UN sanctions aimed at choking Pyongyang of cash.

Russia and China have both appealed for an end to the escalating rhetoric between Washington and Pyongyang.

But on the fringes of the UN meeting this week, North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong-ho upped the tensions further, telling reporters Pyongyang might now consider detonating a hydrogen bomb outside its territory.

Monitoring groups estimate that the nuclear test conducted in North Korea earlier this month had a yield of 250 kilotons, which is 16 times the size of the US bomb that destroyed Hiroshima in 1945.

Hydrogen bombs, or H-bombs, are thermonuclear weapons far more powerful than ordinary fission-based atomic bombs, and use a nuclear blast to generate the intense temperatures required for fusion to take place.
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From another perspective. Underground nuke testing does alot of seismic damage n if North Korea conducts more test etc it will cause more damage to itself n China will be affected...maybe should hope it conducts more test etc n blow itself apart.
 

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From another perspective. Underground nuke testing does alot of seismic damage n if North Korea conducts more test etc it will cause more damage to itself n China will be affected...maybe should hope it conducts more test etc n blow itself apart.

They should shove the bomb up Kim's arsehole!
 

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From another perspective. Underground nuke testing does alot of seismic damage n if North Korea conducts more test etc it will cause more damage to itself n China will be affected...maybe should hope it conducts more test etc n blow itself apart.

Kim will be nuking the Pacific from now on.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c4377c-9fbb-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html



Poll: Far more trust generals than Trump on N. Korea, while two-thirds oppose preemptive strike


President Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally for Sen. Luther Strange in Huntsville, Ala. (Evan Vucci/AP)
By Scott Clement and Philip Rucker September 24 at 12:01 AM

Two-thirds of Americans oppose launching a preemptive military strike against North Korea, with a majority trusting the U.S. military to handle the escalating nuclear crisis responsibly but not President Trump, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds.

Roughly three-quarters of the public supports tougher economic sanctions on North Korea in an attempt to persuade it to give up its nuclear weapons, while just about one-third think the United States should offer the isolated country foreign aid or other incentives.

The Post-ABC poll finds 37 percent of adults trust Trump either “a great deal” or “a good amount” to responsibly handle the situation with North Korea, while 42 percent trust the commander in chief “not at all.” By comparison, 72 percent trust U.S. military leaders, including 43 percent saying they trust them “a great deal.”

A scant 8 percent of Americans surveyed think North Korean leader Kim Jong Un can act responsibly.

[Read full poll results | How the poll was conducted]


Overall, Trump’s image continues to be negative, with 39 percent of Americans approving and 57 percent disapproving of the president’s job performance. But the poll finds that clear majorities approve of Trump’s response to recent hurricanes and support the agreement he struck with Democrats providing emergency disaster-relief funding and raising the nation’s debt limit.

A war of words this past week between Trump and Kim may have opened a potentially dangerous new chapter in the North Korea crisis.

Kim called Trump “a mentally deranged U.S. dotard,” Trump denounced Kim as a “madman,” and each vowed to test the other as never before. Washington rolled out new sanctions Thursday and made a show of military force Saturday by flying bombers along the North Korea coast, a day after Pyongyang said it might soon conduct a hydrogen bomb test over the Pacific.

[Trump escalates a war of words with North Korea, calling leader Kim a ‘madman’]

Trump’s use of aggressively personal taunts — the president nicknamed Kim “Rocket Man” in an address at the United Nations last week — defies convention and is seen by veteran diplomats as exceedingly risky.


The large gap in confidence between Trump and the U.S. military, as measured in the new poll, comes as Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and other national security officials have emphasized a diplomatic approach to North Korea. Although Mattis has made clear that the United States is prepared and willing to retaliate to any attack with overwhelming force, he also has shied away from the rhetorical bombast employed by his boss.

Faith in Trump’s handling of the biggest foreign policy crisis of his presidency is colored sharply by partisanship. While 11 percent of Democrats and 36 percent of independents say they trust Trump to act responsibly in dealing with North Korea, more than three-quarters of Republicans say they trust the president, although just over half trust him “a great deal.”

Partisans are relatively united, however, in their concern about nuclear-armed North Korea. A record high 70 percent of Americans say North Korea poses a “serious threat” to the United States, including roughly 7 in 10 Democrats and independents and about 8 in 10 Republicans.

Trump’s overall job approval rating has stabilized at 39 percent in the new poll after slipping to 36 percent in July. The shift is within the poll’s margin of sampling error but is mirrored in the small rise in other recent national polls. Still, more Americans “strongly” disapprove of his job performance, 48 percent, than approve of it either “strongly” or “somewhat.”


The Post-ABC poll finds 65 percent of Americans support the agreement reached this month between Trump and Democratic congressional leaders to authorize emergency hurricane-relief spending and raise the federal government’s borrowing limit.

Two-thirds of Democrats and more than 6 in 10 independents back the agreement. And although the measure marked a rebuke of Republican leaders in Congress, it has the support of more than three-quarters of Republicans and a similar share of conservative Republicans.

Trump also receives a positive grade for his response to hurricanes Harvey in Texas and Irma in Florida, with 56 percent approving of his handling of the disasters, including nearly one-third of Democrats.

Seven in 10 rate the overall federal response as “excellent” or “good.” That is less glowing than ratings for the government’s handling of Hurricane Sandy during the Obama administration in 2012, but far better than the public’s assessment of the response by the administration of George W. Bush to Hurricane Katrina in 2005, when fewer than 4 in 10 gave the federal government positive marks.

Trump’s high marks on hurricanes and the spending deal with Democrats in Congress have failed to ease deep-seated dissatisfaction with his presidency, now entering its ninth month.

Despite positive recent economic news, Trump receives net negative marks on his handling of the economy, with 43 percent approving and 49 percent disapproving.

On immigration, 62 percent of Americans disapprove of Trump’s performance, including 51 percent “strongly” disapproving. The Trump administration this month announced an end to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program created under President Barack Obama, but Trump has since discussed with Democrats a possible plan to restore protections for a group of undocumented immigrants commonly known as “dreamers” — those who were brought to the United States as children.

[Trump administration announces end of immigration protection program for ‘dreamers’]

More broadly, most Americans see Trump as a divisive figure who has yet to fulfill his campaign promise to positively change the way Washington works. More than twice as many Americans say Trump is doing more to divide the country than to unify it, 66 percent vs. 28 percent. The margin is significantly more negative than those recorded for Obama and Bush; at most, 55 percent of Americans said Obama or Bush was dividing the country.

Opinions on this question break sharply along party lines. Among registered voters who identify as independents — a group Trump won by four percentage points in last year’s election — 62 percent say Trump has done more to divide the country than unite it, while roughly 9 in 10 Democratic voters say Trump’s actions have divided the country.

Among Republican voters, however, about 6 in 10 say Trump is making strides toward unity. Still, confidence in Trump as a unifying force has declined even among those in his party. While 9 percent of Republican voters in a poll last November by The Washington Post and George Mason University’s Schar School had expected that Trump would divide the country, the new Post-ABC poll finds 31 percent of Republicans say Trump’s actions are dividing the country today.

The poll finds 39 percent of all adults say Trump has brought needed change to Washington, while 59 percent say he has not. Almost three-quarters of Republicans say Trump has ushered in needed change, while most Democrats and independents say he has not.

On North Korea specifically, most Americans are hesitant to support preemptive military action. Fewer than a quarter — 23 percent — of Americans say the United States should strike North Korea first, while 67 percent say there should be U.S. military action only if North Korea attacks the United States or its allies.

Over 6 in 10 Republicans and independents along with more than 7 in 10 Democrats say the United States should not launch a preemptive strike. Even among those who “strongly approve” of Trump’s job performance, a majority, almost 6 in 10, oppose preemptive military action.

If the United States did first launch a military strike on North Korea, 82 percent of Americans say it would risk starting a larger war in East Asia, including 69 percent citing a “major risk.”

Despite resistance to preemption, however, Americans are much more supportive of military intervention generally than they have been in the past. In a question that did not contrast preemption and retaliation, the new poll finds roughly 4 in 10 Americans support bombing North Korean military targets, up from 2 in 10 in 2005, when North Korea declared itself a nuclear power. Republican support for bombings has more than doubled, from 29 percent in 2005 to 63 percent today. Most Democrats and independents still are opposed.

Beyond military strikes, toughening sanctions on North Korea garners widespread support across party lines, with 76 percent of Americans overall approving.

Other nonmilitary options aimed at pushing North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons are less popular. About one-third of Americans support offering the country financial incentives, such as aid money or more trade, down from about half supporting this approach in 2005. And while Russia and China have called on the United States to reduce its military exercises with South Korea, a key U.S. ally, American public opinion is roughly divided. Forty-three percent think the United States should agree to stop conducting the exercises, while 47 percent oppose doing so.

The Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted Sept. 18-21 among a random national sample of 1,002 adults reached on cellular and landline telephones, with overall results carrying a sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

Emily Guskin contributed to this report.

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